3080 running ~81C and 100% fan on Forza Horizon 5

[Gergelyc]

Hi all,

Sorry if it's in the the wrong part of the forum, I was unsure if it's under gaming or GPU.

I have a self built computer from Nov 2020.
3800xt (No OC)
32GB Ram
Tomahawk Motherboard X570
3080 OC MSI Ventus 10GB (No OC)

I recently started playing Forza Horizon 5 and my GPU fans go NUTS. I saw on youtube most ppl are running 3080's around 55 temps on extreme settings.
I have every possible setting on max. 

Have a friend with a similiar setup, 3080 MSI card and he keeps his temps around ~55 and fans are barely hearable. All other games so far were okayish, this is the first real AAA title I am running so maybe I screwed something up in settings?
My question does anybody have a video or some steps I could go through from very basic troubleshooting what can be the problem?

[Levent]

You cant compare temperatures across other systems.

• Clocks can differ.
• Case airflow can differ
• Ambient air temperature will differ.
• Different cooler designs will have different cooling.
• Even thermal paste application differs between every card.
• Not every graphics core needs identical voltages.

I wouldnt worry about those temperatures but if you want to reduce them, get a tube of Hydronaut (or Arctic MX4 if you want something cheaper) and replace the thermal paste on the GPU core.

[PDifolco]

It's very high and not normal indeed, your GPU model shouldn't hit 70C max..

 

Unless your GPU is very badly cooled, in a closed case or stuff blocking the airflow (like a PCIe card nearby)

[suedseefrucht]

12 minutes ago, Gergelyc said:

so maybe I screwed something up in settings?

We don't know your settings.

Which resolution do you use? 4K will be harder to calculate than 1080p.

Which framerate do you get? You can limit it.

 

 

[Poinkachu]

30 minutes ago, Gergelyc said:

Hi all,

Sorry if it's in the the wrong part of the forum, I was unsure if it's under gaming or GPU.

I have a self built computer from Nov 2020.
3800xt (No OC)
32GB Ram
Tomahawk Motherboard X570
3080 OC MSI Ventus 10GB (No OC)

I recently started playing Forza Horizon 5 and my GPU fans go NUTS. I saw on youtube most ppl are running 3080's around 55 temps on extreme settings.
I have every possible setting on max. 

Have a friend with a similiar setup, 3080 MSI card and he keeps his temps around ~55 and fans are barely hearable. All other games so far were okayish, this is the first real AAA title I am running so maybe I screwed something up in settings?
My question does anybody have a video or some steps I could go through from very basic troubleshooting what can be the problem?

Do you use the same PC case, same case fans & fan setup as your friend's ?
Same ambient temp too ?

Because those things matters too.

[RMTM]

You stated this in your initial message:    "3080 OC MSI Ventus 10GB (No OC)"

  

- What specific MSI RTX3080 model do you have? ________________________

- What is your ambient room temperature? ________degC

- What specific case model do you have? _______________________

 

It would actually be best "if you can share" a photo of what you have inside your actual desktop case. So we can better help you.

[Pixelfie]

Does it help when taking off the side panel?

 

Undervolting should also improve things

[DoctorNick]

81C is normal and depending on alot of factors, such as room temp. Clock speed, voltage etc. If GPU is running fine with max clock or close too, then its fine. 93c is max. If you check the temp limit. Basically, gpu will try to hit this temp and keep boosting the clock until it does that. You can do this with MSI afterburner for example.

[RMTM]

1 hour ago, RMTM said:

You stated this in your initial message:    "3080 OC MSI Ventus 10GB (No OC)"

  

- What specific MSI RTX3080 model do you have? ________________________

- What is your ambient room temperature? ________degC

- What specific case model do you have? _______________________

 

It would actually be best "if you can share" a photo of what you have inside your actual desktop case. So we can better help you.

Just played Forza Horizon 4 for you. Since I do not have FH5. I think this is the closest real test I can do. Didn't exceed 55degC as well (maxed-out settings and not overclocked). Maybe I can help you best, in this post of yours, if you can at least possibly "reply" with items I stated above.

 

[Gergelyc]

4 hours ago, RMTM said:

You stated this in your initial message:    "3080 OC MSI Ventus 10GB (No OC)"

  

- What specific MSI RTX3080 model do you have? ________________________

- What is your ambient room temperature? ________degC

- What specific case model do you have? _______________________

 

It would actually be best "if you can share" a photo of what you have inside your actual desktop case. So we can better help you.

GeForce RTX™ 3080 VENTUS 3X 10G OC
Room temp is 22.4 degrees
I hope I understand 3rd question: PURE BASE 500DX




 

• Clocks can differ
  • We have same profile in MSI (as screenshoted)
• Case airflow can differ
  • Literally two same computers, with identical parts.
• Ambient air temperature will differ.
  • His ambient is 1 degrees lower than mine
• Different cooler designs will have different cooling.
  • Same parts
• Even thermal paste application differs between every card.
  • Can't comment on that
• Not every graphics core needs identical voltages.
  • Neither that

    We don't know your settings.

    Which resolution do you use? 4K will be harder to calculate than 1080p.

    Which framerate do you get? You can limit it.

    
    Everything on maximum, 2k (1440p)
    Vsync turned on, internal fps counter is around 100 fps claiming 100% GPU utilization
    
    
    Other info:
    Noctua D15 internal fan
    No additional case fans, except ones the computer comes with
    Airflow config from front to back / top
    No other PCI card / no sata drive just M.2

[RMTM]

10 hours ago, Gergelyc said:

GeForce RTX™ 3080 VENTUS 3X 10G OC
Room temp is 22.4 degrees
I hope I understand 3rd question: PURE BASE 500DX




 

• Clocks can differ
  • We have same profile in MSI (as screenshoted)
• Case airflow can differ
  • Literally two same computers, with identical parts.
• Ambient air temperature will differ.
  • His ambient is 1 degrees lower than mine
• Different cooler designs will have different cooling.
  • Same parts
• Even thermal paste application differs between every card.
  • Can't comment on that
• Not every graphics core needs identical voltages.
  • Neither that

    We don't know your settings.

    Which resolution do you use? 4K will be harder to calculate than 1080p.

    Which framerate do you get? You can limit it.

    
    Everything on maximum, 2k (1440p)
    Vsync turned on, internal fps counter is around 100 fps claiming 100% GPU utilization
    
    
    Other info:
    Noctua D15 internal fan
    No additional case fans, except ones the computer comes with
    Airflow config from front to back / top
    No other PCI card / no sata drive just M.2

Your desktop case setup suggests that you should have enough cooling. You might want to update your NVidia driver to 511.23. Have you tried manually customizing your gpu fan controls via Afterburner. I have screenshot here for you. Light GPU overclock with FH4 running in the background. And my ambient(room temp) is currently 28degC(per my room thermostat). Just being lazy to turn AC back on.hehehe

 

[Gergelyc]

5 hours ago, RMTM said:

Your desktop case setup suggests that you should have enough cooling. You might want to update your NVidia driver to 511.23. Have you tried manually customizing your gpu fan controls via Afterburner. I have screenshot here for you. Light GPU overclock with FH4 running in the background. And my ambient(room temp) is currently 28degC(per my room thermostat). Just being lazy to turn AC back on.hehehe

 

Hey stranger, btw thank you for the assistance. I attached my screenshot. As you can see (ambient currently 20.2) I still go up to 80c without a heartbeat.

I removed the sidepanel, put the computer on the desk to see if its an airflow problem. The nvidia driver update did help in that the gpu in forza's "monitoring" does not blink up to 100% but stays 94-95% but the temp is still 80c and fan is up to 90%. Here is my fan curve.

Do I have a bad GPU, should I need to re-thermal paste it? or is forza just demanding? I am very confused. I am checking some YT "benchmarks" 3080's stay in 50-60 easy

I did assembly my computer but I did to do any thermal repasting (and scared of it) and or any lower level assembly which is not lego basically.

Edit #1: It seems the driver update did not go through as I am checking the afterburner driver number. Let me get back after update.

 my 

[RMTM]

1 hour ago, Gergelyc said:

Hey stranger, btw thank you for the assistance. I attached my screenshot. As you can see (ambient currently 20.2) I still go up to 80c without a heartbeat.

I removed the sidepanel, put the computer on the desk to see if its an airflow problem. The nvidia driver update did help in that the gpu in forza's "monitoring" does not blink up to 100% but stays 94-95% but the temp is still 80c and fan is up to 90%. Here is my fan curve.

Do I have a bad GPU, should I need to re-thermal paste it? or is forza just demanding? I am very confused. I am checking some YT "benchmarks" 3080's stay in 50-60 easy

I did assembly my computer but I did to do any thermal repasting (and scared of it) and or any lower level assembly which is not lego basically.

Edit #1: It seems the driver update did not go through as I am checking the afterburner driver number. Let me get back after update.

 my 

Sure. You're welcome. Let me know after you update your Nvidia driver. And before doing or trying anything else, try to follow the same customized fan speed curve I did on mine(refer to my fan speed curve in my screenshot above). So that your gpu fans cranks in earlier before it gets very hot that your fans can't keep up anymore. And physically check if all 3 of your gpu fans are spinning in sync or asynchronous. And try to move your front fan at the very bottom of the front panel, to supply your gpu with enough fresh airflow it needs to cool itself down. I don't think it is FH5 game that keeps your 3080 this hot. I play other games too like Cyberpunk2077, SOTTR, Halo, Apex, Marvel Avengers(for both GPU and CPU test benches) etc... but everything seems to run within normal operating temps. Let's focus on your gpu and system cooling first.

[Gergelyc]

2 hours ago, RMTM said:

Sure. You're welcome. Let me know after you update your Nvidia driver. And before doing or trying anything else, try to follow the same customized fan speed curve I did on mine(refer to my fan speed curve in my screenshot above). So that your gpu fans cranks in earlier before it gets very hot that your fans can't keep up anymore. And physically check if all 3 of your gpu fans are spinning in sync or asynchronous. And try to move your front fan at the very bottom of the front panel, to supply your gpu with enough fresh airflow it needs to cool itself down. I don't think it is FH5 game that keeps your 3080 this hot. I play other games too like Cyberpunk2077, SOTTR, Halo, Apex, Marvel Avengers(for both GPU and CPU test benches) etc... but everything seems to run within normal operating temps. Let's focus on your gpu and system cooling first.

So the driver update did not help.

I tried the customized fancurve no luck. Now the thing is (my fault) I never checked idle temp.

This is when nothing is running. (Windows only).

I assume this is very hot?

 

#Update: I changed Nvidia power mgmt. to "normal / adaptive" that decreases the temp, but obviously by decreasing the clock. So in performance mode I am running at 61 degrees

On my case I have 1 top fan and 1 front fan and 1 rear.
I could increase top by one and front by 2
I am unsure if that would yield a ~10 degree difference

[RMTM]

19 minutes ago, Gergelyc said:

So the driver update did not help.

I tried the customized fancurve no luck. Now the thing is (my fault) I never checked idle temp.

This is when nothing is running. (Windows only).

I assume this is very hot?

The update intent was to rule-out any driver errors from previous version. Good that you have already done it.

 

Your fan curve looked the same as before though. As I stated earlier. Try to adjust your gpu fans speed curve. Try to follow my illustration below(in red dots). Move those white/grey dots in your current curve to follow the red fan curve. Then hit "Apply".

 

[Gergelyc]

12 minutes ago, RMTM said:

The update intent was to rule-out any driver errors from previous version. Good that you have already done it.

 

Your fan curve looked the same as before though. As I stated earlier. Try to adjust your gpu fans speed curve. Try to follow my illustration below(in red dots). Move those white/grey dots in your current curve to follow the red fan curve. Then hit "Apply".

 

It is currently running but only improved by 2 degrees (maybe one, it is fighting on 79-80)

I checked this vid: adding more case fans dont seem to have a marginal difference.

[RMTM]

Improvement. Keep it running in that fan curve. As stated also earlier. Are all your 3 gpu fans spinning. And do they look in sync?

 

- And that vid you attached, his system runs on RTX2060 gpu. RTX3080 is a different beast. It's powerful enough to produce that much heat, that fan ventilation should be good enough to pull all those generated heat inside out/exhausted out of the case as fast in large volumes as possible and be replaced back with good amount of cool air in.

[Gergelyc]

22 minutes ago, RMTM said:

Improvement. Keep it running in that fan curve. As stated also earlier. Are all your 3 gpu fans spinning. And do they look in sync?

 

- And that vid you attached, his system runs on RTX2060 gpu. RTX3080 is a different beast. It's powerful enough to produce that much heat, that fan ventilation should be good enough to pull all those generated heat inside out/exhausted out of the case as fast in large volumes as possible and be replaced back with good amount of cool air in.

Hey.

The GPU is in normal position, was hard to see, yes all fans are spinning, seamingly same way. I am unsure how would I see if they are async.
Fair point he has 2xxx series cards.

Would it help if I use a gpu riser and shift the card 90 degrees? different airflow?

[RMTM]

6 minutes ago, Gergelyc said:

Hey.

The GPU is in normal position, was hard to see, yes all fans are spinning, seamingly same way. I am unsure how would I see if they are async.
Fair point he has 2xxx series cards.

Would it help if I use a gpu riser and shift the card 90 degrees? different airflow?

GPU riser? - I don't think so. I think the gpu riser is for addressing gpu actual card sag only. And aesthetics...if you are in to it. 

 

Different airflow? - Personally, I use a negative airflow configuration. That works to exhaust-out as much heat as possible in high volume (cfm).

[Gergelyc]

Just now, RMTM said:

GPU riser? - I don't think so. I think the gpu riser is for addressing gpu actual card sag only. And aesthetics...if you are in to it. 

 

Different airflow? - Personally, I use a negative airflow configuration. That works to exhaust-out as much heat as possible in high volume (cfm).

So I removed the side panel to test if more air would help. Currently I am 62 degrees with the side panel open. (That I do not wish to do, here in Germany there is a lot of dust).

I will try with more ventillators then

 

[RMTM]

25 minutes ago, Gergelyc said:

So I removed the side panel to test if more air would help. Currently I am 62 degrees with the side panel open. (That I do not wish to do, here in Germany there is a lot of dust).

I will try with more ventillators then

 

Agree. You can't really have a dustless PC over time of use. Even PSU's have their own dust stories. What's best to do is to balance between positive and negative airflow moving in and out your PC to manage dust accumulation over time. You can do that by playing with your PWM fans settings. And best choice of quality fans to use; considering airflow, pressure, controllable speed and noise level. And clean all fans' dust filters regularly.