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Four Gigs to fill your needs - AMD launches mid-low end Workstation GPU

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Just as the 6500XT is now on sale, AMD has released a similar card but aimed at the workstation market instead, the PRO W6400. 

Additionally, there were also mentions of a W6300 and W6500 as well as a mobile M variant that are OEM exclusive.

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The Radeon PRO W6400 is a Navi 24 graphics card with a TDP of up to 50W. It is actually AMD’s first-ever 6nm workstation card, following the launch of the Radeon RX 6500XT and its mobile variants. The card is equipped with 768 Stream Processors, which means it’s cut-down silicon similar to Radeon RX 6400 (only being sold to OEMs). The W6400 features 4GB GDDR6 memory across a 64-bit memory bus. Although this model has a full-sized PCIe 4.0 slot, only four lanes are wired to the GPU, the same problem is present on the gaming RX 6500XT model. This might be a bottleneck on PCIe 3.0 systems. AMD already launched its higher-end Apple Mac exclusive PRO W6000X series, while the ‘original’ lineup only features three SKUs: W6800 with Navi 21, W6600 with Navi 23, and now W6400 with Navi 24. The only missing part in AMD’s workstation lineup is the Navi 22. We are not aware of the W6400 encoding/decoding capabilities yet, the same goes for the price. The first reviews of the Radeon PRO W6400 should go live later today.

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The clocks are pretty good for a workstation card but the low amount of VRAM is a bit concerning considering a lot of work software are RAM hungry. Also interesting that they are using a smaller node. Could this hint that AMD is already producing their next generation GPUs already?

 

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https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-launches-radeon-pro-w6400-a-50w-workstation-card-with-6nm-navi-24-gpu

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Wait...... 4 GIGS OF GDDR6!?

Well, it might be fine as the lowest end but uhhh yea, especially after AMD's article on 4gigs of vram  not being enouhg that has suspiciously gone missing

And what are they charging for this? If the W6600 is ~650 for MSRP. I'm assuming ~450? (THis is solely based on the name so take it as such (ie. withheaps o' salt))

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So this will be a ~$ 500 gpu with 4gb, in 2022? wtf amd indeed

 

 

7 minutes ago, J-from-Nucleon said:

And what are they charging for this? If the W6600 is ~650 for MSRP. I'm assuming ~450?

i don't understand why they make these so expensive anyways,  it doesn't look they do much different, or better than the gaming cards, especially the lower "pro" cards... like, who is this even for, 3.5tflops, 4gb, very high price (presumably)?

 

 

 

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oh yea, I saw this last night and forgot about it a few minutes later.

What exactly is even the point of a low end workstation card?

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1 hour ago, poochyena said:

oh yea, I saw this last night and forgot about it a few minutes later.

What exactly is even the point of a low end workstation card?

Probably OEMs like Thinkstation PCs.

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6 hours ago, poochyena said:

oh yea, I saw this last night and forgot about it a few minutes later.

What exactly is even the point of a low end workstation card?

A lot of users buy workstation cards for the drivers, rather than the hardware. Alongside some driver tweaks that can boost the performance of low-end workstation cards far beyond the fastest consumer cards in certain workflows (see this video from LTT), professional software is often only properly validated to work on workstation cards.

 

This doesn't mean it won't work, but the experience may be sub-par. Even software like Autodesk Maya - that doesn't even necessarily need a powerful GPU - may end up being much more stable on a workstation card than a consumer one. (Which given how unstable Maya is on my 1060...)

 

The biggest problem with this card is a more glaring omission: CUDA. NVIDIA is king when it comes to the workstation GPU world - "workstation GPU" is basically synonymous with "Quadro" - in large part due to CUDA. AMD has their own version in ROCm but it's nowhere near as popular for a variety of reasons (and also still isn't fully supported on RDNA/RDNA2 based cards...) Hopefully they can bring some competition here but for now ROCm isn't a valid option for too many people and, as such, neither is this card.

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6 minutes ago, tim0901 said:

as such, neither is this card.

True,

Until you include Hackintoshers and Mac Pro users.

But even then they're a tiny portion of a large market, so yes, it isn't.

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4 hours ago, tim0901 said:

A lot of users buy workstation cards for the drivers, rather than the hardware. Alongside some driver tweaks that can boost the performance of low-end workstation cards far beyond the fastest consumer cards in certain workflows (see this video from LTT), professional software is often only properly validated to work on workstation cards.

 

This doesn't mean it won't work, but the experience may be sub-par. Even software like Autodesk Maya - that doesn't even necessarily need a powerful GPU - may end up being much more stable on a workstation card than a consumer one. (Which given how unstable Maya is on my 1060...)

 

The biggest problem with this card is a more glaring omission: CUDA. NVIDIA is king when it comes to the workstation GPU world - "workstation GPU" is basically synonymous with "Quadro" - in large part due to CUDA. AMD has their own version in ROCm but it's nowhere near as popular for a variety of reasons (and also still isn't fully supported on RDNA/RDNA2 based cards...) Hopefully they can bring some competition here but for now ROCm isn't a valid option for too many people and, as such, neither is this card.

100% agree. Workstation gpus crash significantly less than consumer ones in alot of the professional software suites. That is a huge deal as any time your program crashes you could potentially lose alot of work and unfortunately sometimes corrupt the project file. There is a reason why people pay more for workstation gpus. It's mostly for the much better driver support and validation. They won't release a buggy driver like you see sometimes with game ready drivers and the such for consumer cards. 

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13 hours ago, poochyena said:

oh yea, I saw this last night and forgot about it a few minutes later.

What exactly is even the point of a low end workstation card?

Workstation is pretty wide term. On one hand you have the render farms and 3D workstations that need beefier cards than any gaming on the market, on the other hand you have cards with a ton of VRAM for some workloads and then you have the maybe the most common one that has performance hardly enough to be called GPU but it has ports. The "earlier generation" of the W6400 was one of later ones, you didn't buy Radeon PRO WX 3200 for it's performance that is worse than a potato with a nickel wire, you bought it for the 4 miniDP 1.4 ports capable to give you up to 4 4K monitors or 1 8K monitor and that is "up to", good if it could run 1 monitor at 4K but the point of the card isn't that, it's just that you can slap up to 4 (maybe more if the daisy chaining is available) monitors to a single PC.

 

But when it comes to W6400, IDK. 2 DisplayPorts isn't that much it could be used just for monitors, AMD even markets it as "we cut the costs and it now has only just what is needed". It doesn't have performance to go much farther than Paint and AMD doesn't even have many workloads optimized only for workstation cards (unlike the competition AMD doesn't really restrict their products like any Ryzen CPU is overclockable unlike with Intel you need to get K or other unlocked variant and AFAIK AMD doesn't make that hard cut between workstation Radeon and gaming Radeon as Nvidia does with GeForce, Quadro and Tesla cards) so you would need "unlocker" card.

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Even if you want to use it to get a Extra display its still is trash.

 

You would need a X16 to 4 X4 adapter to even make use of the Full X16 slot.

 

The only possible place this might be used is in a Home Server setup, that Rarely needs a GPU/display, as everything is done Remotely.

and only for annoying issues physical access is needed, the GPU would be needed

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16 hours ago, J-from-Nucleon said:

And what are they charging for this? If the W6600 is ~650 for MSRP. I'm assuming ~450? (THis is solely based on the name so take it as such (ie. withheaps o' salt))

 

16 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

So this will be a ~$ 500 gpu with 4gb, in 2022? wtf amd indeed

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-radeon-pro-w6400-workstation-gpu-announcement

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The Radeon Pro W6400 is available now, with a suggested price of $229.

 

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Why is the 5800x so hot?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-radeon-pro-w6400-workstation-gpu-announcement

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The Radeon Pro W6400 is available now, with a suggested price of $229.

yeah, i saw that in the other thread... blue pro gpu for 230...  makes sense!  actually i dont know for who though, mostly gamers i would guess : p 

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

yeah, i saw that in the other thread... blue pro gpu for 230...  makes sense!  actually i dont know for who though, mostly gamers i would guess : p 

Interestingly, it's "available now", but I can't find a single store or ebay listing for it, so it might not even be for them.

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Ironically, the 5 years old WX 5100 easily beats this card, in every way possible:

- more FP32 compute power (3.89 TFLOPs vs 3.5 TFLOPs)

- more vRAM (8 GB vs 4 GB)

- more memory bandwidth (160 GB/s vs 128 GB/s)

- more PCIe bandwidth (PCIe 3.0 x16 vs PCIe 4.0 x4)

- more display output (4x DP 1.4 vs 2x DP 1.4)

...with only slightly higher TGP (75 W vs 50 W), but still does not require external power connectors.

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7 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

The Radeon Pro W6400 is available now, with a suggested price of $229.

Huh.

That's great.

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On 1/21/2022 at 9:13 AM, IkeaGnome said:

The Radeon Pro W6400 is available now, with a suggested price of $229.

I just found out about it, and they were brave enough to put on the VR Ready thing on it.

Considering the price being pretty cheap, if the GPU is actually VR Ready, like able to play VRC unoptimized avatars and worlds ready at pretty a good FP', then it'd be a pretty good little deal.

Tbh, you wouldn't get this to play triple A games, and this being a workstation GPU, designed to be durable, hopefully it'll last you through the tough GPU price hike period and who knows, will maybe be your backup GPU later down the line 🙂

I do wish they went with the WX designs for the blue body, not half cut like Nvidia's XD

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