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Which of these SSD is the best option?

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3 hours ago, podkall said:

I'll see about that  Crucial P5, is it better than 980 Samsung?

Yes, but the P5 runs very hot, it needs a heatsink.

3 hours ago, podkall said:

I will be using the SSD for gaming mainly 90% gaming

Then no, buy the 980.

All of them are M.2 ~500GB

 

WD SSD SN550

Samsung SSD 980

ADATA XPG SX6000 PRO

Crucial P2

Kingston NV1

 

Or is there something better within the price range of these? (not exceeding)

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7 minutes ago, iMxmo said:

What country and budget? What are the capacities of each drive? 

76 U$D,  Czech republic

 

Also have you tried reading?

15 minutes ago, podkall said:

All of them are M.2 ~500GB

 

When I give advice I use my experience and google, I know alot, but not everything.

Have a question? - quote me = I'll respond instantly or in a day (if it's longer than 2 days, don't expect me to come back soon)

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Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050

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anybody?

When I give advice I use my experience and google, I know alot, but not everything.

Have a question? - quote me = I'll respond instantly or in a day (if it's longer than 2 days, don't expect me to come back soon)

Specs I have experience with: (highlited build is being used)

Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050

Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050

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4 hours ago, podkall said:

WD SSD SN550

Samsung SSD 980

ADATA XPG SX6000 PRO

Crucial P2

Kingston NV1

980 > SN550 > SX600 Pro (almost garbage) > NV1 > P2 (garbage) IMHO.

1 hour ago, podkall said:

anybody?

Please be patient, it’s only been three hours.
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SN550 and 980 are TLC drives, P2 is QLC (qlc is worse that tlc memory, slower and lower endurance) , nv1 is probably tlc but the rated endurance is really low (120 TB vs 300 TB for the others, except the P2 which is rated for 150 TB)  and has only 3 years warranty here.

 

Id choose between SN550 or 980  - I actually bought the 500 GB 980 for my own system a couple weeks ago and I'm happy with it.

 

A comparison from a local shop, in Romanian, but it's fairly easy to figure out  :

 

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5 hours ago, podkall said:

All of them are M.2 ~500GB

 

WD SSD SN550

Samsung SSD 980

ADATA XPG SX6000 PRO

Crucial P2

Kingston NV1

 

Or is there something better within the price range of these? (not exceeding)

I would go for the 980 since the SN550 was downgraded by WD not too long ago.

What site do you use to look for prices? Maybe there's a better choice for a few more usd.

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@NighhhT @mariushm @Wooden Law - Black

 

Guess I'll grab the 980, it's samsung samsung is pretty good with ssds and technology and thingies I see lot of samsung ssds in builds and whatnot,

 

also noticed that it's among all fastest,

 

I spend way too much time looking for the "perfect", imma trust you guys you prob know what you're talking about and I myself feel good about the samsung too.

 

Thx.

When I give advice I use my experience and google, I know alot, but not everything.

Have a question? - quote me = I'll respond instantly or in a day (if it's longer than 2 days, don't expect me to come back soon)

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Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050

Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050

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4 minutes ago, podkall said:

Guess I'll grab the 980, it's samsung samsung is pretty good with ssds and technology and thingies I see lot of samsung ssds in builds and whatnot,

 

Well, the 980 isn't so good as 970 EVO Plus is, the 980 is DRAM-less. So "it's samsung samsung is pretty good with ssds and technology" doesn't mean so much.

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19 minutes ago, Wooden Law - Black said:

Well, the 980 isn't so good as 970 EVO Plus is, the 980 is DRAM-less. So "it's samsung samsung is pretty good with ssds and technology" doesn't mean so much.

than why do you rank 980 as best out of all options?

When I give advice I use my experience and google, I know alot, but not everything.

Have a question? - quote me = I'll respond instantly or in a day (if it's longer than 2 days, don't expect me to come back soon)

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Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050

Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050

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31 minutes ago, podkall said:

than why do you rank 980 as best out of all options?

The SSDs you cited are worse than the 980...

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9 hours ago, Wooden Law - Black said:

The SSDs you cited are worse than the 980...

Despite having DRAM? (if that's even the case)

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Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050

Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050

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DRAM is not that big of a deal things have a changed / improved a lot since Linus and others made videos making DRAM such a big deal.

 

DRAM is used by controllers to keep the "database" of every file and where the data of the files is stored in the flash memory chips ... the controller uses a hidden portion of flash memory to store that database but if there's dram present, the ssd controller can copy that database or portions of it in memory so that it won't have to retrieve the information from memory chips (at a slower speed) and periodically write the changes to the database stored in the memory chips (so that if there's some power failure, the modifications are not lost and you don't get a corrupted ssd).

 

If you're writing a lot of stuff to the drive, the drive has to put a chunk of data in the memory chips, then pause and update the database to remember where that chunk of a file was stored (what memory chip, what block, what page) so that's another write on the flash memory, and repeat until all the data is written.

 

With DRAM caching this database, the ssd controller keeps a copy of the database on the memory chips in a hidden area, but also copies that database (or portions of it) in ram and when you're writing a lot of files, the controller only updates the copy in ram and then periodically backs it up to the memory chips. So let's say instead of updating the database in memory chips for every 512 KB of data, the SSD controller can now process 100 MB of data making updates in ram copy, then to one write to the memory chips.

So because you're interrupting less to update the database on memory chips, you get a bit higher write speeds and you get a bit higher random write IO  (how many files or parts of files can be written in parallel by multiple applications at the same time)

 

So really, DRAM only improves writing to SSD, and improves reading speeds a bit, but mostly when there's multiple applications or an application with lots of threads doing a lot of simultaneous reading and writing (think a web server serving pages and pictures to tens to hundreds of visitors at same time, think a database server accessed by lots of people retrieving or updating records in a big database)

A video game is not that kind of an application, a game basically opens a single file, and reads a big chunk of it and moves on to next file ... it's sequential reading and writing, where you wouldn't notice the presence of dram.

Same for most applications you would normally use as a regular person - most applications don't deal with reading and writing files in parallel, doing lots of reading and writing etc. so you wouldn't really notice the presence or lack of dram.

What comes to mind is if you were a video editor, where you load 50-100 GB of footage in a video editor and you have videos from 2-3 cameras so you have 2-3 videos in parallel on a timeline (to switch between camera shots), and you add audio tracks and you preview or jump all over the place in the timeline, that's where you MAYBE could see a  difference between a SSD with dram, and one without.

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, podkall said:

Despite having DRAM? (if that's even the case)

Non of the SSDs you cited have the DRAM if you mean this. If you mean if the 980 is better than DRAM-based drives, well, depends on the drive. Also, I don't know where you want to buy the SSD, from which Amazon.

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2 minutes ago, Wooden Law - Black said:

Non of the SSDs you cited have the DRAM if you mean this. If you mean if the 980 is better than DRAM-based drives, well, depends on the drive. Also, I don't know where you want to buy the SSD, from which Amazon.

it's aight I'm getting the 980, though if there was something better for no less more than 10$ than I have no problems cancelling the order

When I give advice I use my experience and google, I know alot, but not everything.

Have a question? - quote me = I'll respond instantly or in a day (if it's longer than 2 days, don't expect me to come back soon)

Specs I have experience with: (highlited build is being used)

Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050

Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050

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32 minutes ago, podkall said:

it's aight I'm getting the 980, though if there was something better for no less more than 10$ than I have no problems cancelling the order

Let me repeat: where did you buy the SSD? Amazon.com, etc.

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3 minutes ago, Wooden Law - Black said:

Let me repeat: where did you buy the SSD? Amazon.com, etc.

2nd best Czech tech e-shop you don't know cuz you're from italy

When I give advice I use my experience and google, I know alot, but not everything.

Have a question? - quote me = I'll respond instantly or in a day (if it's longer than 2 days, don't expect me to come back soon)

Specs I have experience with: (highlited build is being used)

Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050

Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050

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18 minutes ago, podkall said:

2nd best Czech tech e-shop you don't know cuz you're from italy

How much did you pay for the 980?

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3 hours ago, Wooden Law - Black said:

How much did you pay for the 980?

something under

74,5$

When I give advice I use my experience and google, I know alot, but not everything.

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Specs I have experience with: (highlited build is being used)

Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050

Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050

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43 minutes ago, podkall said:

something under

74,5$

So, I'm not Czech but a quick browse on czc.cz you can find a Crucial P5 500GB for ~84 usd or a Kingston KC2500 for ~67,5 usd.

I don't know If you have to pay taxes over thoses prices, but the KC2500 price is quite good and it's a better ssd than the Samsung 980 imo.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, NighhhT said:

So, I'm not Czech but a quick browse on czc.cz you can find a Crucial P5 500GB for ~84 usd or a Kingston KC2500 for ~67,5 usd.

I don't know If you have to pay taxes over thoses prices, but the KC2500 price is quite good and it's a better ssd than the Samsung 980 imo.

 

 

I agree, the KC2500 is a great drive for this price (and it isn’t DRAM-less).

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32 minutes ago, NighhhT said:

So, I'm not Czech but a quick browse on czc.cz you can find a Crucial P5 500GB for ~84 usd or a Kingston KC2500 for ~67,5 usd.

I don't know If you have to pay taxes over thoses prices, but the KC2500 price is quite good and it's a better ssd than the Samsung 980 imo.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Wooden Law - Black said:

I agree, the KC2500 is a great drive for this price (and it isn’t DRAM-less).

I would take the Kingston actually, on the spot, the problem is it's not in stock..

Also the prices usually include taxes.

I'll see about that  Crucial P5, is it better than 980 Samsung?

I will be using the SSD for gaming mainly 90% gaming

When I give advice I use my experience and google, I know alot, but not everything.

Have a question? - quote me = I'll respond instantly or in a day (if it's longer than 2 days, don't expect me to come back soon)

Specs I have experience with: (highlited build is being used)

Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050

Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050

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3 hours ago, podkall said:

I'll see about that  Crucial P5, is it better than 980 Samsung?

Yes, but the P5 runs very hot, it needs a heatsink.

3 hours ago, podkall said:

I will be using the SSD for gaming mainly 90% gaming

Then no, buy the 980.

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10 hours ago, Wooden Law - Black said:

Yes, but the P5 runs very hot, it needs a heatsink.

Then no, buy the 980.

Why would they sell it without a heatsink if it runs very hot?

When I give advice I use my experience and google, I know alot, but not everything.

Have a question? - quote me = I'll respond instantly or in a day (if it's longer than 2 days, don't expect me to come back soon)

Specs I have experience with: (highlited build is being used)

Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050

Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050

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