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YouTube reveals millions of videos (<1%) get hit with incorrect copyright claims

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Over 2.2 million YouTube videos were hit with copyright claims that were later overturned between January and June of this year, according to a new report published by the company today. The Copyright Transparency Report is the first of its kind published by YouTube, which says it will update biannually going forward.

 

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The 2.2 million incorrect claims represent less than 1 percent of the more than 729 million total copyright claims issued in the first half of this year, 99 percent of which originated from Content ID, YouTube’s automated enforcement tool. When users disputed these claims, the case was resolved in favor of the uploader of the video 60 percent of the time, according to the report.

The new report notes that “no system is perfect” and that errors happen even with established guardrails in place to prevent abuse of enforcement mechanisms. “When disputes take place, the process provided by YouTube provides real recourse, and over 60% of these disputes were resolved in favor of the uploader,” the report says.

 

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Well, so youtube is now admitting to a system not being perfect. What's news exactly here? Well, it's the fact that youtube is now going to publish this kind of stuff. This openess is great imo. However, the sheer number is still rather astounding to me. But eh, content ID is only a patch to what is a broken system (copyright ie.). Well, all I can hope is that it will get better soon and that we will see a drop in this number.

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Totally not surprised its that much.

 

Until we as a people not gonna criminally charge the morons claiming false copyright strikes.
It's a hopeless situation anyway.

 

There are companies with their sole existence be claiming copyright content, and doing NOTHING else.

Companies like that should burn to the ground. They do nothing but just take others money.

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3 minutes ago, HanZie82 said:

Until we as a people not gonna criminally charge the morons claiming false copyright strikes.

The quote says this is about automated Content ID, not false reporting by people. 

 

99% accuracy for an automated system is pretty good...

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4 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

99% accuracy for an automated system is pretty good...

Until you are the guy hit by a false/incorrect strike, and have to fight what the machine said vs. reality and get your content or even entire channel, back...

 

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3 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

The quote says this is about automated Content ID, not false reporting by people. 

 

99% accuracy for an automated system is pretty good...

https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-indicts-two-men-for-running-a-20-million-youtube-content-id-scam-211203/

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The case – United States of America vs. Webster Batista Fernandez and Jose Teran – reveals a massive Content ID scam that generated more than $20 million for the 36 and 38-year-old from Scottsdale, Arizona, and Doral, Florida.

 

The basics are straightforward. Starting sometime in 2017 through to at least April 30, 2021, Fernandez and Teran began monetizing music on YouTube for a vast library of more than 50,000 songs, none of which they owned the rights to.

 

ContentID can, and is abused, and an automated system saying it's correct is only correct when the input isn't complete trash. The difference between Sony and Warner claiming your content over an individual scammer is that the former employ lawyers and will actually respond to a claim, where as fraudsters will ignore claims.

 

Upload something to youtube with the Portal 1 or Portal 2 ending song in it. You will get copyright claims from companies and people that do not own the songs, and Valve has expressly licensed people to use on Youtube. Do you really think Valve wants to constantly deal, or even be involved with managing their copyrights on Youtube? No. By having people have to put their real name up to make a claim or a counterclaim, they will be doxxed, where as the big company doesn't care.

 

 

ContentID is only half the solution. Allowing Youtube and sites like Twitch to actually act as license arbitration would solve the rest. Is someone uploading a video, and a 30 second clip of a song from a meme is in the middle? Why does the copyright holder of that song get to claim the entire 2 hour video?  Someone uploads a cover of a video game track, why do they get to claim every single person on youtube who has ever played the game?

 

 

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I literally wrote a song using free samples, put it on YouTube and got a claim for 7 seconds of it that sounded nothing like anything from anywhere else

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99% success rate on automation that handles billions of videos and you people are complaining. Geesh get a freaking life. That's amazing to have that kind of success rate. No human could handle all those videos even if Google payed millions of people per day. 

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The question for how bad this is depends on how much of the claiming is YT ContentID Bots vs Spam Bots/Content Farm bots. For a site as heavily bot infested as YT, a significant volume (maybe majority?) is actually not real users. Considering they're saying there as ~2 million manual claims (webform) in 6 months, that suggests the active creators are actually being claimed quite regularly.

 

60% overturn rate overturn rate on 3.7 million disputed claims. There's somewhere in the range over >250k users with over 100k subs. Yeah, the system only works for bot-on-bot action. The real-world effect is that it's not completely broken, just mostly.

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8 minutes ago, SlidewaysZ said:

99% success rate on automation that handles billions of videos and you people are complaining. Geesh get a freaking life. That's amazing to have that kind of success rate. No human could handle all those videos even if Google payed millions of people per day. 

Since we're talking Raw Count numbers, it's very likely the majority of that number is simply bot vs bot. (A bot uploads 100 videos, 99 get claimed but one sticks around and draws revenue, the scripting has worked, and it's 99 more videos hit by ContentID.)  This makes the important numbers about the Disputes. The actual pool of active "creators" on the website isn't huge relative to the actual number of users. As a result, these numbers actually point to be ContentID being a big issue for anyone actively making money on the platform.

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52 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

Until you are the guy hit by a false/incorrect strike, and have to fight what the machine said vs. reality and get your content or even entire channel, back...

 

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Youtube should attach a massive fine for companies that issue these claims and even in extreme cases go faster them in court. Shutting them down from every being able to issue more claims again (most of these claims come from legal firms that have been set up purely to issue claims) commonly they will find a load of videos they thing are in violation then will contact the rights owner offering to issue a takedown notice service. They are not waiting to be contracted before trying to issue the takedown requests.

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They are basically forced to have an automated system.If they don't, then most content wouldn't get reported and youtube would get hate for "doing nothing" about illegal content not being taken down.

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40 minutes ago, poochyena said:

They are basically forced to have an automated system.If they don't, then most content wouldn't get reported and youtube would get hate for "doing nothing" about illegal content not being taken down.

Yeah idk what people want from YouTube? If they didn't have an automated system it would be very much impossible to stop all of the copyrighted content that is uploaded to the site and would definitely be hit with the book by copyright holders for not doing enough. 99% is fairly good and yeah it sucks when you get false claims but at least there is some route to fix the issue and get the claim reversed. Unfortunately this is what happens when you are a platform that has way too much content uploaded every day to be able to have physical people to look over everything. 

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For anyone who keeps quoting the 99% number, be careful to actually read what it says.  It says less than 1%.  Based on the numbers it's closer to 99.7%, or in other words 3.3x difference.

 

Honestly Youtube I think has found a good balance.  Could they prevent more abuses of the system?  Yes, but it likely comes at the cost that more companies will choose to go the other approach of actual DMCA.

 

I mean most of this stems from the Viacom lawsuit, and the reaction that happened to protect themselves.

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what I find the most baffling, is how they treat long term users...

like, oh so you are a big channel that has a positive and recognized community on our platform? woops, it's gone.

Want to complain on twitter to us, so we can get it back? thank you! (we are just going to ignore 2/3rds of them on there though)

 

also how they protect more personal accounts... or it being the news/corporate accounts?

 

then again some older bigger channels have been taken over with spam or bots, or turned into dangerous content at times 😕

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1 hour ago, Kilrah said:

99% accuracy for an automated system is pretty good...

I'd argue 99% accuracy is a misleading biased statistic of the quality of the system without context of what it is dealing with.
It's judging accuracy without knowing what the difficultly of the target is. You can boost the accuracy claims of anything if you include easier and repeated targets.

Which sounds more impressive? The System taking down:

  • 100 bots uploading the same exact video file with 100% accuracy.
  • 100 bots uploading 100 variations of the same video with 75% accuracy.

Of that 729 million, what % of them are unique videos, vs repeated video files reuploaded till one doesn't get noticed by the system? What about the false claims (Im guessing 99% of them are unique)

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Your title is a little misleading. It can be read to imply that around 1% of YouTube videos are being hit with improper copyright strikes. Which isn't at all the case. 

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Also we don't have any idea how many of the videos that had claims issued against them that no one bothered to dispute because it's so much hassle or because they think it's some scam bot they'll never get a resolution on.

 

It tells us a lot about how often people win disputes, but it doesn't tell us much about how often somthing is actually wrong.

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12 hours ago, poochyena said:

They are basically forced to have an automated system.If they don't, then most content wouldn't get reported and youtube would get hate for "doing nothing" about illegal content not being taken down.

Having automated systems isn't the problem. The problem is the Dispute Resolution System. They also didn't separate out Copyright Claims vs Copyright Takedowns (full DMCA actions). 

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11 hours ago, wanderingfool2 said:

For anyone who keeps quoting the 99% number, be careful to actually read what it says.  It says less than 1%.  Based on the numbers it's closer to 99.7%, or in other words 3.3x difference.

 

Honestly Youtube I think has found a good balance.  Could they prevent more abuses of the system?  Yes, but it likely comes at the cost that more companies will choose to go the other approach of actual DMCA.

 

I mean most of this stems from the Viacom lawsuit, and the reaction that happened to protect themselves.

The real issue, from a User Reality vs Raw Count view, is that some large, large portion of those ContentID claims aren't "real users", in the sense of accounts of people making their own content. YT is bot infested. If half of those claimed content was real people, I'd be amazingly surprised. This is actually the reality in nearly every place online: the numbers are "fake", they just don't represent real users. (This led to the destruction of the Banner Ad market and why Click-through became the game.)

 

If Youtube broke the numbers out by Subscriber Count tiers, we'd actually get to the heart of the matter: the system is good at fighting other Bots, it's pretty bad at dealing with real users. i.e. the people making content for YouTube. YT would save themselves a lot of work with a Mute/Blackout in-video Clipping tool, along with proportional claiming settings.

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16 hours ago, HanZie82 said:

Until we as a people not gonna criminally charge the morons claiming false copyright strikes.

In this case it seems the "moron" is the content id algorithm, not a person... and apparently it's correct 99% of the time. The problem is current copyright law, not its enforcement.

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This entire problem would go away overnight if falsely claiming someone's video was a punishable offense. Aren't there already laws against falsity, lying, or defamation? Like you're obviously not supposed to lie about evidence in a courtroom so maybe those types of laws should be extended to also include falsely accusing someone of crimes that they obviously did not commit? The guilty until proven innocent model that content claims currently operate under is utterly broken and needs to be changed to be innocent until proven guilty like the rest of the legal system is.

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2.2Million videos?   what about the other besquillion videos that were inaccurately struckk as copyright infringement? The one's that weren't found to be inaccurate because the system makes it unnecessarily hard for the channel owner to appeal without leaving themselves open for further ruination?

QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

Sometimes I miss contractions like n't on the end of words like wouldn't, couldn't and shouldn't.    Please don't be a dick,  make allowances when reading my posts.

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