After almost a decade of watching WAN show every Friday night, I think I am done.

[907rider]

Posting here in the hopes that someone at LTT will see this.... Although I do not interact on the forum much, sitting down and watching the WAN Show VOD (on YouTube) since it started happening back in 2012 or 2013 has been part of my Friday or Saturday night routine for nearly a decade now.  In fact it I believe it was something I saw on one of the early WAN shows (I think it was called something else back then) that led me to join the forum in 2013.

 

A lot has changed over the years... I'm 28 now. My Friday eventide beverages have gone from water to something a little stronger.  Linus has facial hair... I have facial hair... I now have a minor in mathematics, a minor in physics, and am in my final school year for my Bachelors in Electrical Engineering.  I'm currently working through the patent filing process for the first time...  The WAN Show actually has a computer that works (most of the time) now.  There is no sign of a couch on the WAN Show set anymore. You guys BOTH have proper mics..

 

Who would have seen ANY of those ^^^^^ things coming a decade ago...  I have grown and LTT has most definitely grown as well.  The WAN show used to be my "chill and unwind from the week" time.  But lately that has changed...."it" has changed, it has...unfortunately "grown".

 

I'm a blunt factual person so: Linus, Luke.  Your relationship has changed, and in my opinion, not for the better.  I noticed it the other day so I went back and watched some of the really old WAN shows.  There is some sort disconnectedness between you guys in the past few years.  I think it probably stems from the different roles that your lives have taken on.

 

To me the WAN show used to be about just "bro's hanging out talking about what happened this week in tech or in our lives"  and now.... Well for one, there are these TERRIBLE drop down banners that happen every time someone buys something on LTT store..  Guys, have you watched the WAN show in a dark room on an OLED or HDR display?  Those banners (mainly the purple and other brightly colored ones) are HORRENDOUS!   The whole rest of the set is dark and then one of those drops down and about blinds me.  To make matters worse its constantly RANDOMLY happening...

 

There is a recent video by Destin on SmarterEveryDay titled "YouTube is Changing"  that I very much suggest that you guys go watch.  It caused something to "click" in my brain.  I realized that the reason I have been finding less enjoyment watching the WAN Show is because the WAN Show has changed from what I come to YouTube to see.  I come to YouTube for science/tech related videos, always have, always will.  I have YouTube premium (as well as a Floatplane membership) because when I want to watch something I don't want to deal with ads.

 

Those "thank you banners" that drop down every time someone buys something on LTT store are ads.  The constant "oh yes this water bottle/screwdriver/hoody/banana that I got on LTTstore.com" are ads.  The sponsor spots are (obviously) are ads. 

 

The analytical side of me came out so I picked a random time during WAN show and decided to a) see how many drop down banners came on screen and b) determine what percentage of the time banners were on screen.  Any time a banner was onscreen was "ad time". For the time period between 10:00 and 20:00 there were exactly 20 notifications and of the 10 minutes sampled 1.5 of those minutes there were "ads" (banners) on the screen.  This gives a total ad time of 15 percent.

 

This is actually shockingly close to the ad percentage of cable TV which is approximately 22 percent.  And that was just when I was counting the drop down banners, not even mentioning the fact that you talked about "swaket" during that time period which technically was an ad.

 

In summary then, the reasons I'm discontinuing watching WAN show after nearly a decade are as follows:

1) Linus, Luke the change in your relationship with each other has made it less like "bro time" and more like "acquaintance time".  Maybe do a "bros trip" for a week or something to try to get back some of the old days?

2) The banners.  They are absolutely terrible and annoying as all heck.

3) The WAN show has become so commercialized that it has lost that "spark".

 

Unless something changes (which I doubt it will) I do not see myself watching WAN show anymore and tbh for a while now the WAN Show has been the main reason I've stuck with LTT.  I wonder after this many years how many of us are still around from the old days? Of those from the old days I wonder how many feel the same as I do?

 

Thanks for the memories guys its been real.

 

p.s. I appreciate the fact that the lower 1/3 slowly moves up and down by a few pixels throughout the show.  I'm assuming this is to help save OLED's from burn in..... nice!

[adarw]

8 minutes ago, 907rider said:

3) The WAN show has become so commercialized that it has lost that "spark".

 

its more like all of ltt has, not just the wan show. 

 

9 minutes ago, 907rider said:

here is a recent video by Destin on SmarterEveryDay titled "YouTube is Changing" 

yea that video made me think about why do people do things to please others.

[LogicalDrm]

So TLDR, you hate ads. And thats about it.

 

Either you have very sugar-coated memory of past WAN Shows, or you take any change as a shock. And I say that as someone who has very clear idea of content they like to watch.

 

WAN Show has changed many times over the years. From Fiday Livestream by Linus with crappy laptop webcam just chatting to the friendly tech podcast from company to its fans its now. In there, they have had the "Brotime" you seem to have as highlight, but also bad sponsors like Razer Comms. VERY long period of bad audio quality and setup, something that was made meme rather than fixed (seems to be LMG tradition when you think of all the other things like that). They also tried to make the show 100% about news at one point. That was the point when I was very close to just stop watching. But I really don't like the "Brotime" either because for me it ties too much to that kinda unprofessional era (be it in the garage or with old office and couch, or even at new office before the world map set).

 

I kept watching because for me the show was from start 50% tech topics, 50% of what happens behind the scenes. I don't mind ads, as long as they aren't badly acted and forcefully scripted. Which seems to be 80% of ads in US and Canada (if someone can find the cringe LTT ad with "camping with creepy relative" you understand my point). I also watch other tech podcasts. Like Level1 News for almost pure news, or whatever Jay thinks he can keep somewhat at schedule for 4 months.

 

I don't think relationship between Luke and Linus have changed as of late. Luke is founding member of LMG. I'm pretty sure there hasn't been time during his and Linus' partnership where they haven't had employer-employee-esc relationship. The difference is that they don't work daily together, or even with same projects. I think that might be the thing where you see them loosing some common nominator, which makes it feel more distant. It has become more like with many other podcasts with regular guests instead of regular hosts (for example Tested.com podcast). I don't see that as such a big deal. it means more catching up on BTS stuff (which includes store showcases).

 

Last, the store shoutouts. There has been evolution of these too, and I do agree with you that we should have less of them. Taking 30mins is too much. That could be cut down by just leaving the product list out, unless person has it written in their message. But I'd be fine completely without them. Then again, I have personal "Thank You" video by Linus for funding their (then-new) current office. So guess I'm biased. But overall the current system might just be the best version. The first iterations of Twitter lighting round was pretty pointless as most of them were asking build and buy opinions, something for which then-new forum was made for. Transitioning to just comments from Twitch and Youtube chats, with Superchats becoming a thing (they really can't be turned off?). Imo reading ton of those is just same as celebs writing autographs to waiting fans. You stand hour(s) in rain for a chance. You may not get it, but do you go on blaming the celeb when they don't choose you? Or does celeb care that they can't reach all, just those they can do in 2 minutes they have to spare. This is imo same thing. One shoves their money in hopes of 2s of fame. Some get it, some don't. There could be couple, maybe even curated ones (idk how this would work with store things), but not 30mins worth of them. At that point, you could do whole show of just reading them.

 

All-in-all, if you don't like the content, don't watch it. If you have issues, complain. But don't, please just don't, try and make this about you. This reads out like "Goodbye, I'm leaving" thread. We don't know you, and one less viewer on WAN when you pay for FP doesn't really change anything.

[Video Beagle]

On 12/5/2021 at 1:58 AM, 907rider said:

Linus, Luke the change in your relationship with each other has made it less like "bro time" and more like "acquaintance time"

That's life. You're in your late 20's....you're seeing what life is a few years down the road for you....and if you look at your own relationships from a few years back....you'll see that widening gap....and it just keeps getting wider as you get older....and then you die.

 

Happy viewing!

[Mojo-Jojo]

Most of these points are so subjective, that it's really not useful to discuss. But I will say this: Linus and Luke disconnected? I'd say I have rarely seen two people more on the same page as these two. They really are still bros that work together. It's just that the company has expanded so much, that they need to be more professional.

[Roswell]

The whole channel is an ad at this point.  Sponsored videos with more sponsorships nested inside (huehue so and so sent over) with yet even more ads for their merch all wrapped around YouTube’s ads.

 

It’s obnoxious and I unsubscribed from their channels a while ago.

[creesch]

The only thing I tangibly agree with are the banner popups but not because they are ads, it is rather the visual distraction they are for me.

I often watch WAN show Saturday morning (damn time zones not allowing me to view it live!) as part of my weekend routine and waking up. This often means I have the WAN show on my secondary display mostly as a podcast while I am other stuff on my main display and just focus on the secondary display when they show something.  

 

That flow is now being disrupted by the popups and how visually distracting they are. I get the idea but I rather have that there would be a permanent visual fixture reserved for these messages where the only visual change would be the message text and product thumbnail. It would still be a bit distracting but not nearly as much as a full blown popup. 

 

As far as the disconnect between Luke and Linus, I am not seeing it. In fact I do think they complement each other really well and some of their differences actually do provide more dept to the conversation. 

 

In regards to the video from Destin that you mention, frankly the WAN show is the place where Linus very much doesn't seem to be driven by numbers or other gains but is just voicing his thoughts and opinions on matters regardless of how people perceive it. I don't think the length of WAN show is a reflection of them pleasing the algorithm, if that is the case you'd see more longer form videos as part of other LTT content as well and that doesn't seem to be the case. In fact, I commented somewhere recently that I often feel like things in regular LTT videos have been left out in an attempt to keep videos under a certain length. This is opposite to what Destin describes. 

 

I also take a bit of an issue with the binary approach Destin seems to take to this matter. In fact the way he is introducing the concept very much feels like the sort of slightly hyperbolic semi-sensationalised statement that will trigger more people in agreement and therefore increase viewership. 

Yes of course you shouldn't blindly go for the highest amount of views, but at the same time you should also not blindly produce things in a certain format you like if your goal is to actively reach an audience. There is nothing wrong with producing content that will reach a bigger audience if that content in itself is still conveying the message you want to convey. So in my opinion the more realistic and nuanced approach is to not view it as a binary choice but simply as two factors you need to consider and balance out. 

 

Anyway, that is a bit of side tangent as it more applies to the other content LTT produces. I'd be interested to hear on the WAN show though what their take is on it  . 

[Gazereths]

Well I stopped watching anything LTT years ago, it's just a commercialised enterprise like any other now that only exists to siphon money from its viewers/customers. That's fine, money makes the world go round and all that.

 

Most big tech/youtubers are the same. No offence to them, I'm just not interested in that type of content. 

 

Not watched a WAN show in over 6 years so don't know what the banners are like, but all they are for is to say "hey buy our merch and your name will appear on screen" a common tactic. Same as 'pay to be acknowledged' superchats. 

 

Still come to the forums on the odd occasion to ask for/offer help and maybe have a chat about games or hardware. By far the best part of LTT IMHO is the community it has established, and for that I'm grateful to Linus. 

[Bartholomew]

1st just a general tip (likely known to most, but cant hurt to share):

 

When watching a youtube vid, tapping on the right in the vid twice will advance 10s, tripple tap 20 sec, etc. Very usefull for skipping slow parts or commercial yadada. Reverse works too tapping on the left in the vid area.

 

Other than that like others said, it isnt ltt specific, its becomming more common.

 

Also feel that human malware and new generation growing up online and used to ondemand and "mailorder" goods play a role. advertising simply moves to where the crowd and profitable audiences are.

 

Actually, im surprised how long things went well, theres been a good few wonderfull years before youtube cranked up the ad placement and since people didnt flock away channels follow.

 

Still find it enjoyable, and for me ive found a silver lining: due to the "boom" of advertisements/plugs i have become more critical of what content is worth it and how much time i spend watching.

[Nostremitus]

On 12/5/2021 at 2:58 AM, 907rider said:

I wonder after this many years how many of us are still around from the old days? Of those from the old days I wonder how many feel the same as I do?

I'm 38 and have been watching since Linus was a goofy kid, now he's a goofy adult. I think what you're calling a loss of friendship between the two is just exhaustion, tbh. They still seem to be friendly, but both are Chief officers in the tech industry, one's company falls under the others. Maybe the real thing that needs to happen to get the spark back that's missing would be for them to step back from management and just be creators again, or for the current creators to be the main hosts of WAN instead of the chief officers who clearly have less time to research the things they are talking. It feels like they are covering topics that their employees care about more than they do, so why aren't the employees on who are passionate about it as opposed to their bosses who are now just reading their scripts?

[Jtalk4456]

On 12/5/2021 at 4:56 PM, LogicalDrm said:

All-in-all, if you don't like the content, don't watch it. If you have issues, complain. But don't, please just don't, try and make this about you. This reads out like "Goodbye, I'm leaving" thread. We don't know you, and one less viewer on WAN when you pay for FP doesn't really change anything.

Took the words right out of my mouth

[LAwLz]

On 12/5/2021 at 10:56 PM, LogicalDrm said:

All-in-all, if you don't like the content, don't watch it. If you have issues, complain. But don't, please just don't, try and make this about you. This reads out like "Goodbye, I'm leaving" thread. We don't know you, and one less viewer on WAN when you pay for FP doesn't really change anything.

I think this is horrible advance.

No, people should not just stop watching if something happens they don't like. If you don't voice your opinion and give feedback then you never give the company a chance to change for the better.

Also, I think giving feedback shows that you care. If you have been a fan for 10 years like OP says he has, then just going "well I don't like this so I will just stop watching it" would be weird. You give feedback because you care and want the company to improve.

 

 

Honestly, people who just go "don't watch it if you don't like it" always struck me as people who just can't handle that someone dislikes something they like. "Stop saying bad things about the thing I like!" is what your post comes across as to me.

If you want to follow your own advice then "if you don't like 'I'm leaving threads' then don't read them and don't reply to them".

[Blademaster91]

On 12/5/2021 at 2:58 AM, 907rider said:

The WAN show has become so commercialized that it has lost that "spark".

I think all of LMG content has become too commercialized, or too scripted, even their supposed rants seem carefully worded so they aren't upsetting any of the companies that sponsor them.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

I think this is horrible advance.

No, people should not just stop watching if something happens they don't like. If you don't voice your opinion and give feedback then you never give the company a chance to change for the better.

Also, I think giving feedback shows that you care. If you have been a fan for 10 years like OP says he has, then just going "well I don't like this so I will just stop watching it" would be weird. You give feedback because you care and want the company to improve.

 

 

Honestly, people who just go "don't watch it if you don't like it" always struck me as people who just can't handle that someone dislikes something they like. "Stop saying bad things about the thing I like!" is what your post comes across as to me.

If you want to follow your own advice then "if you don't like 'I'm leaving threads' then don't read them and don't reply to them".

Did you read what you quoted?

On 12/5/2021 at 3:56 PM, LogicalDrm said:

If you have issues, complain.

 

 

@LogicalDrm was litterally saying to do what your saying that @LogicalDrm shouldve said.

 

They were just saying if you dont like it, you can wither complain and try to give feedback, or stop watching, but theres no need to make a thread about just not watching anymore, at the least kinda suggust things thay could do to improve them.

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

 

If you want to follow your own advice then "if you don't like 'I'm leaving threads' then don't read them and don't reply to them".

WIth them being a moderator, its kinda their job to read and reply to them.

[LogicalDrm]

34 minutes ago, Helpful Tech Wiard said:

WIth them being a moderator, its kinda their job to read and reply to them.

No, my job is to keep forums tidy.

[LAwLz]

34 minutes ago, Helpful Tech Wiard said:

They were just saying if you dont like it, you can wither complain and try to give feedback, or stop watching, but theres no need to make a thread about just not watching anymore, at the least kinda suggust things thay could do to improve them.

But OP did state what issues he has and the reasons why he is not watching anymore, and he was still asked to not voice his reasons why he stopped watching.

 

57 minutes ago, Helpful Tech Wiard said:

WIth them being a moderator, its kinda their job to read and reply to them.

That's not what moderators do.

Moderators are not obligated to read and especially not to respond to threads. Their jobs are to listen and act on reported posts and do things like move threads to the right sections. 

[Guest willies leg]

Welcome to Diggnation.

[Fluph]

On 12/5/2021 at 8:58 AM, 907rider said:

Posting here in the hopes that someone at LTT will see this.... Although I do not interact on the forum much, sitting down and watching the WAN Show VOD (on YouTube) since it started happening back in 2012 or 2013 has been part of my Friday or Saturday night routine for nearly a decade now.  In fact it I believe it was something I saw on one of the early WAN shows (I think it was called something else back then) that led me to join the forum in 2013.

 

A lot has changed over the years... I'm 28 now. My Friday eventide beverages have gone from water to something a little stronger.  Linus has facial hair... I have facial hair... I now have a minor in mathematics, a minor in physics, and am in my final school year for my Bachelors in Electrical Engineering.  I'm currently working through the patent filing process for the first time...  The WAN Show actually has a computer that works (most of the time) now.  There is no sign of a couch on the WAN Show set anymore. You guys BOTH have proper mics..

 

Who would have seen ANY of those ^^^^^ things coming a decade ago...  I have grown and LTT has most definitely grown as well.  The WAN show used to be my "chill and unwind from the week" time.  But lately that has changed...."it" has changed, it has...unfortunately "grown".

 

I'm a blunt factual person so: Linus, Luke.  Your relationship has changed, and in my opinion, not for the better.  I noticed it the other day so I went back and watched some of the really old WAN shows.  There is some sort disconnectedness between you guys in the past few years.  I think it probably stems from the different roles that your lives have taken on.

 

To me the WAN show used to be about just "bro's hanging out talking about what happened this week in tech or in our lives"  and now.... Well for one, there are these TERRIBLE drop down banners that happen every time someone buys something on LTT store..  Guys, have you watched the WAN show in a dark room on an OLED or HDR display?  Those banners (mainly the purple and other brightly colored ones) are HORRENDOUS!   The whole rest of the set is dark and then one of those drops down and about blinds me.  To make matters worse its constantly RANDOMLY happening...

 

There is a recent video by Destin on SmarterEveryDay titled "YouTube is Changing"  that I very much suggest that you guys go watch.  It caused something to "click" in my brain.  I realized that the reason I have been finding less enjoyment watching the WAN Show is because the WAN Show has changed from what I come to YouTube to see.  I come to YouTube for science/tech related videos, always have, always will.  I have YouTube premium (as well as a Floatplane membership) because when I want to watch something I don't want to deal with ads.

 

Those "thank you banners" that drop down every time someone buys something on LTT store are ads.  The constant "oh yes this water bottle/screwdriver/hoody/banana that I got on LTTstore.com" are ads.  The sponsor spots are (obviously) are ads. 

 

The analytical side of me came out so I picked a random time during WAN show and decided to a) see how many drop down banners came on screen and b) determine what percentage of the time banners were on screen.  Any time a banner was onscreen was "ad time". For the time period between 10:00 and 20:00 there were exactly 20 notifications and of the 10 minutes sampled 1.5 of those minutes there were "ads" (banners) on the screen.  This gives a total ad time of 15 percent.

 

This is actually shockingly close to the ad percentage of cable TV which is approximately 22 percent.  And that was just when I was counting the drop down banners, not even mentioning the fact that you talked about "swaket" during that time period which technically was an ad.

 

In summary then, the reasons I'm discontinuing watching WAN show after nearly a decade are as follows:

1) Linus, Luke the change in your relationship with each other has made it less like "bro time" and more like "acquaintance time".  Maybe do a "bros trip" for a week or something to try to get back some of the old days?

2) The banners.  They are absolutely terrible and annoying as all heck.

3) The WAN show has become so commercialized that it has lost that "spark".

 

Unless something changes (which I doubt it will) I do not see myself watching WAN show anymore and tbh for a while now the WAN Show has been the main reason I've stuck with LTT.  I wonder after this many years how many of us are still around from the old days? Of those from the old days I wonder how many feel the same as I do?

 

Thanks for the memories guys its been real.

 

p.s. I appreciate the fact that the lower 1/3 slowly moves up and down by a few pixels throughout the show.  I'm assuming this is to help save OLED's from burn in..... nice!

What a load of waffle.  You aren’t as smart as you think you are.  They do those pop ups as Linus didn’t like people paying just to chat. 

[bigmug]

We will never get back to the golden age of the crazy and hilarious years when LTT worked out of the house in Langley. Small team, small space, not yet corporate and a lot more ad hoc/ad lib. That will never return. LTT is a big business now, and that changes the tone and feel of the videos and of the relationships. Also, people get older and that changes people. Not worse, not better, just different.

 

[LogicalDrm]

21 hours ago, LAwLz said:

nd he was still asked to not voice his reasons why he stopped watching.

By me? You may need to read my post again if you think that. I only asked that they wouldn't make this read out like ransom note. "Unless you change back to X, I'm out" is what I read. And when I have no idea who this guy even is, its drop in a bucket and pretty worthless threat. Making big deal about getting out of something, then not doing it when things don't change to way you would have liked is what I see from all these threads. Feels more like seeking for validation and attention than voicing concerns of content/quality.

[Giganthrax]

WAN show is fine. Luke and Linus are now full adults with much more responsibility, so obviously they aren't going to act and talk the way they did when they were basically kids.

 

If these forums have taught me something, it's that people will truly complain about anything.

[Mark Kaine]

On 12/5/2021 at 9:58 AM, 907rider said:

Posting here in the hopes that someone at LTT will see this.... Although I do not interact on the forum much, sitting down and watching the WAN Show VOD (on YouTube) since it started happening back in 2012 or 2013 has been part of my Friday or Saturday night routine for nearly a decade now.  In fact it I believe it was something I saw on one of the early WAN shows (I think it was called something else back then) that led me to join the forum in 2013.

 

A lot has changed over the years... I'm 28 now. My Friday eventide beverages have gone from water to something a little stronger.  Linus has facial hair... I have facial hair... I now have a minor in mathematics, a minor in physics, and am in my final school year for my Bachelors in Electrical Engineering.  I'm currently working through the patent filing process for the first time...  The WAN Show actually has a computer that works (most of the time) now.  There is no sign of a couch on the WAN Show set anymore. You guys BOTH have proper mics..

 

Who would have seen ANY of those ^^^^^ things coming a decade ago...  I have grown and LTT has most definitely grown as well.  The WAN show used to be my "chill and unwind from the week" time.  But lately that has changed...."it" has changed, it has...unfortunately "grown".

 

I'm a blunt factual person so: Linus, Luke.  Your relationship has changed, and in my opinion, not for the better.  I noticed it the other day so I went back and watched some of the really old WAN shows.  There is some sort disconnectedness between you guys in the past few years.  I think it probably stems from the different roles that your lives have taken on.

 

To me the WAN show used to be about just "bro's hanging out talking about what happened this week in tech or in our lives"  and now.... Well for one, there are these TERRIBLE drop down banners that happen every time someone buys something on LTT store..  Guys, have you watched the WAN show in a dark room on an OLED or HDR display?  Those banners (mainly the purple and other brightly colored ones) are HORRENDOUS!   The whole rest of the set is dark and then one of those drops down and about blinds me.  To make matters worse its constantly RANDOMLY happening...

 

There is a recent video by Destin on SmarterEveryDay titled "YouTube is Changing"  that I very much suggest that you guys go watch.  It caused something to "click" in my brain.  I realized that the reason I have been finding less enjoyment watching the WAN Show is because the WAN Show has changed from what I come to YouTube to see.  I come to YouTube for science/tech related videos, always have, always will.  I have YouTube premium (as well as a Floatplane membership) because when I want to watch something I don't want to deal with ads.

 

Those "thank you banners" that drop down every time someone buys something on LTT store are ads.  The constant "oh yes this water bottle/screwdriver/hoody/banana that I got on LTTstore.com" are ads.  The sponsor spots are (obviously) are ads. 

 

The analytical side of me came out so I picked a random time during WAN show and decided to a) see how many drop down banners came on screen and b) determine what percentage of the time banners were on screen.  Any time a banner was onscreen was "ad time". For the time period between 10:00 and 20:00 there were exactly 20 notifications and of the 10 minutes sampled 1.5 of those minutes there were "ads" (banners) on the screen.  This gives a total ad time of 15 percent.

 

This is actually shockingly close to the ad percentage of cable TV which is approximately 22 percent.  And that was just when I was counting the drop down banners, not even mentioning the fact that you talked about "swaket" during that time period which technically was an ad.

 

In summary then, the reasons I'm discontinuing watching WAN show after nearly a decade are as follows:

1) Linus, Luke the change in your relationship with each other has made it less like "bro time" and more like "acquaintance time".  Maybe do a "bros trip" for a week or something to try to get back some of the old days?

2) The banners.  They are absolutely terrible and annoying as all heck.

3) The WAN show has become so commercialized that it has lost that "spark".

 

Unless something changes (which I doubt it will) I do not see myself watching WAN show anymore and tbh for a while now the WAN Show has been the main reason I've stuck with LTT.  I wonder after this many years how many of us are still around from the old days? Of those from the old days I wonder how many feel the same as I do?

 

Thanks for the memories guys its been real.

 

p.s. I appreciate the fact that the lower 1/3 slowly moves up and down by a few pixels throughout the show.  I'm assuming this is to help save OLED's from burn in..... nice!

just stop watching terrible,  mindless content if you dont "enjoy" it anymore ... smarter everyday also sucks lol...  i recommend veritasium or Scott manley kinda content, or the GOAT mentour pilot, it doesn't really matter if you care about "planes" its one of the best high quality yt channels out there and the narrator is simply incredible at story telling.  you really should seek higher quality content,  your "complaints" don't even make sense, are you really complaining about ads in a Linus video,  do you understand what the channel is about? ... the irony is hard to crasp tbth

[whoknowz]

On 12/5/2021 at 1:58 AM, 907rider said:

Linus has facial hair.

And either a bruise on his pinky or more likely he painted his pinky nail black.

I havent decided which as I've seen the thumbnail picture of the video in the forums and thats all I have to go on.

 

I have never watched any linus videos or specials but thank you for the heads up.

 

What would you recommend for alternatives, Gamers Nexus? I havent watched that either, or Jaystwocents? again I havent watched.

I've just built pc's in the past, and originally joined to post up a question on whats the best value but I have had other questions and I like the format of this forum with the features. Do you find the forum itself slowing down, some forums slowly die but keep on surviving.

 

 

On 12/5/2021 at 1:58 AM, 907rider said:

There is some sort disconnectedness between you guys in the past few years.

Could be money or just friends growing apart if they were truly friends before fame or fortune.

 

 

On 12/5/2021 at 1:58 AM, 907rider said:

2) The banners.  They are absolutely terrible and annoying as all heck.

3) The WAN show has become so commercialized that it has lost that "spark".

Money money money, even podcasts have been monitized with in-stream commercials you have to ffwd 15sec.

So how long has linus been in the game?

When did it become popular?

 

 

 

 

[GDRRiley]

You just like the channel have changed a lot over the past 10 years.

 

they've change because of so much, linus has kids. luke is getting more than 4 hours of sleep a day. YT has changed and the viewers have changd.

 

Do I like what floatplane is at this point not really; its missing fun BTS, random updates, longer cuts. typical things you'd see on other paid platforms

LTT has found a formula they like but its not what a lot of the OG viewers like. Wheres a channel like the studio from MKBHD,

 

I've never followed channels who do whats trendy, I follow the channels that give me the info I want. LTT gets put at the back of the stack during review time and its been that way for years. while its fun to watch linus rant about a product if I'm even remotely considering buying it I'll go look elsewhere first

 

I've never gotten the appeal of look heres what other people have bought, it doesn't so much feel like an ad to be but some tacky early 2000s thing. I hate when sites do it, wan show is no exception.

 

at this point LTT cares so much about clicks that the old funny videos are gone, I think LTT forgets what their top50 videos look like. its mostly 2-5 years ago, and its whats weird and fun, many of the videos are limited scripted with experimentation. or it goes 180 and is a super detailed testing video

 

to get to a video from this year you need to go the top 100 videos. which was the steamdeck. something cool that wasn't scripted and was off the cuff testing

[LAwLz]

I am also getting less and less interested in the WAN show these days.

I don't really have the same issues as OP has, because I use sponsorblock and "watch" it with my screen off while running, but I have noticed that Linus just seems to be very negative for the last year or so. Even for positive or neutral news he seems to try and push some negative spin. Luke also feels like a yes-man who just agrees with what Linus says all the time, making the conversation not very fun.

In the last episode it felt like I watched like a ~15 minute rant from Linus about how a game is bad because it triggered some childhood trauma or something. 

 

It doesn't help that I think Linus' negative spins are frankly idiotic in a lot of cases.