Audiophile SSD?

[Sparks2]

Audiophile SSD? https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/62753-nvme-ssd-designed-for-audiophiles/?fbclid=IwAR3Zw-VA5apv5GQqy33yGcIAIHQLvxjxJiX0SXaL153u9nZVmVXEBt8xDm0

[AbydosOne]

38 minutes ago, Sparks2 said:

Audiophile SSD? https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/62753-nvme-ssd-designed-for-audiophiles/?fbclid=IwAR3Zw-VA5apv5GQqy33yGcIAIHQLvxjxJiX0SXaL153u9nZVmVXEBt8xDm0

I literally cannot possibly comprehend the process through which these people are listening to music that the process of moving data from an NVMe drive has some perceptible effect on audio quality, let alone how an NVMe drive can make their music have "real 3 demensional souding [sic], sense of vinyl and dynamic sound".

 

I feel like that whole thread is sampling bias and placebo effect gone wild.

 

EDIT: *internal screaming*

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TLC mode: It sounds like background music, no features and powerless, everything is flattened, lacks extension and density.

pSLC mode: There is a special natural feeling, it becomes more smooth and calm, the thickness is slightly increased, and overall it is more resistant to hearing but still slightly dry.

[kirashi]

1 hour ago, Sparks2 said:

Audiophile SSD? https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/62753-nvme-ssd-designed-for-audiophiles/?fbclid=IwAR3Zw-VA5apv5GQqy33yGcIAIHQLvxjxJiX0SXaL153u9nZVmVXEBt8xDm0

Yes, it's a link to an SSD with placebo marketing. Do you have a question about it?

[ShearMe]

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FEMTO NVMe Drive review

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     Drives are an essential part of an audio server. They hold the OS and they are needed for music storage.

Ideally they should be transparent, not affect playback of music. But in my experience that ideal is difficult

to achieve. Media storage drives in the USB audio out server seem particularly difficult to solve for the DIY builder...

I've tried internal NVMe, SSD,HD,SDXC and USB3 attached variations, in the end NAS solution prevailed

for cleaner, better sound.

     But the OS can't be outsourced, has to be physically attached/bootable. OS drives do affect sound,

in particular (a) media player speed,(b) transient attack and (c) digital irritants. With Euphony I've traveled

the usual path of first using USB3 boot, then SSD, and for some time now Ive used Optane M.2 memory

as the best drive option for OS storage. My recent attempt to better Optane using a Samsung 970 Plus NVMe

drive didn't pan out for me as (c) got worse with no appreciable benefits vs Optane.

    Enter the FEMTO NVMe drive as something different to try; I was intrigued as my recent purchase of

a Denafrips IRIS DDC with FEMTO clocking had been a success, perhaps FEMTO clocking on board would matter

for a drive also? The ability to power the drive externally was also promising given how NUC audio output

improved with better main-board power supply. The FEMTO NVMe drive has a nice set of features,

feel free to check the features posted earlier and there is anticipated addition of a heat sink option

 

[darknessblade]

It can get worse: Audiophile Ram memory [aka dummy ram without anything other than a couple of capacitors on it] 

[rice guru]

Bruh I can wait for my audiophile NVME heatsink to go with my audiophile NVME drive, installed in my audiophile motherboard, mounted on my audiophile Case , powered by my audiophile PSU, running my audiophile CPU, and audiophile GPU.

[CTR640]

At first:

 

 

And then:

 

[circeseye]

sigh. i had a headache, now i got a migraine

[fred82]

17 hours ago, Sparks2 said:

Audiophile SSD? https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/62753-nvme-ssd-designed-for-audiophiles/?fbclid=IwAR3Zw-VA5apv5GQqy33yGcIAIHQLvxjxJiX0SXaL153u9nZVmVXEBt8xDm0

ahah so funny (or sad terribly sad)

i always wondered that files have bits changed (trying have no corruption) so checksums verified 

i see lot of crap in some forums even arguing about difference of different audio services (cloud based) when they don't get the files for th ame audio are not at all the same 

when you read the bits yo uput it in the computer memory and whatever you have HDD or SSD or whatever it is the same that PSU is doing the job with bits there

i have read some people say about voltage affecting and pikes in SSD making it not as good as HDD ... wow ... they don't get that it would mean system would be fucking not doing its job correctly then

the data buffered in codec are done in the same way , exactly, no difference between source. only difference could be file corrupted or file audio quality difference.

 

maybe i am wrong

 

anyway since i moved country it reminds me what choice i have: do another complete audio system or make a PC audio system

(missing my SACD player snif)

[rice guru]

9 minutes ago, Caroline said:

Audiophile motherboard you say?

That is a juicy tube lol. Wonder how noisy that output is. 

[H713]

Companies like this feed off of attention - this thread is no exception. A good percentage of the people behind these products don't believe any of the crap they're saying - they just realize that it's an easy way to make a buck.

 

It's no different than any other consumer industry. "healing" bracelets, "RF protection" dongles, high-performance steering wheels for your car, carbon-fiber compass mounts for your racing sailboat, anything made by Dyson, etc. 

[ShearMe]

26 minutes ago, H713 said:

anything made by Dyson

oh man, finally someone that gets it

[rice guru]

2 hours ago, H713 said:

anything made by Dyson, etc. 

Dyson vacuums at least their canister ones are actually legit good though and while expensive if you use it daily like my mother who runs a cleaning business does actually Performance wise it's pretty damn good and some fo the best in the vacuum collection. Great warranties  as well. Their fans  and hair products are questionable though.

[kasugatei]

Don’t forget about audiophile SATA cables if you are not using M.2. 
https://jcat.eu/audiophile-sata-cable/

 

Anyhow, both are scams and still most of audiophiles will invest into fancy expensive cables instead where it matters the most- room acoustics. 

[CTR640]

2 hours ago, Niksa said:

Don’t forget about audiophile SATA cables if you are not using M.2. 
https://jcat.eu/audiophile-sata-cable/

 

Anyhow, both are scams and still most of audiophiles will invest into fancy expensive cables instead where it matters the most- room acoustics. 

So a lot of audiophiles loves to be scammed just by looking at scientific measurements and prices? It's a serious question unfortunately. AudioQuest does that shit too, even one of the most respected brands like Meze Audio as their XLR cables for €499. Some other brands even claims their "purify noise DC cable" removes noise. I guess they know how audiophiles can go way too far with believing bullshit like that. Exploiting dumb audiophiles. I'm not targetting at the audiophiles with brains and common sense.

[fred82]

8 hours ago, rice guru said:

Dyson vacuums at least their canister ones are actually legit good though and while expensive if you use it daily like my mother who runs a cleaning business does actually Performance wise it's pretty damn good and some fo the best in the vacuum collection. Great warranties  as well. Their fans  and hair products are questionable though.

my ex having hair stuff and she said it is quality she never found anywhere else for her hair curls she says it is not burning her hair and only one able to do uncurl it

anywya for same quality for vacuum you can get much cheaper 

[rice guru]

8 hours ago, fred82 said:

my ex having hair stuff and she said it is quality she never found anywhere else for her hair curls she says it is not burning her hair and only one able to do uncurl it

anywya for same quality for vacuum you can get much cheaper 

We've found similar quality vacuums. But not the same. Diminishing returns. I'm not the one who uses them daily so I can t really say she says her and her staff find the Dyson's and Miele tend to be the best and most efficient vacuums. These people use these vacuums pretty damn heavily. We like Dyson a lot though cause we tend to have the best customer service with them when we need parts replaced as it's basically no questions asked.

[kasugatei]

On 12/5/2021 at 9:24 AM, Caroline said:

Audiophile motherboard you say?

I remember those. I have built couple systems with that MBO when I was in high school. I had part time job at small PC store and local distributor gave a huge discount on those boards so we sold them to some customers. Didn’t have any fancy speakers or headphones back then, but I don’t remember it being noisy. I don’t remember being blown away by the sound, but I remember that I wanted it just because it had a tube xD

[rice guru]

48 minutes ago, Niksa said:

I remember those. I have built couple systems with that MBO when I was in high school. I had part time job at small PC store and local distributor gave a huge discount on those boards so we sold them to some customers. Didn’t have any fancy speakers or headphones back then, but I don’t remember it being noisy. I don’t remember being blown away by the sound, but I remember that I wanted it just because it had a tube xD

Tubes are cool but seen like the worse idea with that much proximity to a computers

[Bitter]

So do these people think the audio files are streaming off the NVME like how a tape player works?

[The Flying Sloth]

Jesus Christ, I thought "oxygen free phase aligned linear crystalline low impedance" audio cables were as whacky as they would get but this is just next level. Digital audio (or any other digital signal) by nature of being digital alone does not degrade like analogue signals and in 99% of cases, so long as the cable has the correct contacts and impedance it will perform exactly the same as absolutely everything else.

 

Genuinely this makes me fear for the sanity of the wider audiophile community....

 

This actually reminds me of a fairly prolific brand in the studio space called Slick Audio. They sell your bog standard Clevo and NUC rebrands claiming they have been optimised for use in studios to justify doubling the price. A YouTuber named Glenn Fricker got absolutely lost in the sauce with them and it was absolutely painful to listen to. They are straight up just windows machines with nothing special but the brand claims to have designed custom circuit boards for them and only use the outer shell of the Clevo....... 

[AbydosOne]

7 minutes ago, The Flying Sloth said:

Genuinely this makes me fear for the sanity of the wider audiophile community....

And it makes me (the budget consumer) second-guess anything I buy audio related.

 

I normally understand diminishing returns (it's why I have a Ryzen 5 and a B350), but some audiophiles make it sound like that curve is a straight line out to infinity. Am I wasting money on something I won't be able to notice the difference in just because my inner wannabe-audiophile is nagging me? Who knows because all the reviews justify themselves with "warm sounds" and "broad soundstage" and other such phrases that don't have a quantifiable, comparable, value to me.

 

Will I like a $500 pair of headphones more than a $200 more than a $100 pair? Do the $200 RCA cables work/sound better than the $25 better than the $10 ones? I reckon that the answer for me is "no", but I don't have a discerning cochlea.

 

/rant

[CTR640]

31 minutes ago, The Flying Sloth said:

Jesus Christ, I thought "oxygen free phase aligned linear crystalline low impedance" audio cables were as whacky as they would get but this is just next level. Digital audio (or any other digital signal) by nature of being digital alone does not degrade like analogue signals and in 99% of cases, so long as the cable has the correct contacts and impedance it will perform exactly the same as absolutely everything else.

 

Genuinely this makes me fear for the sanity of the wider audiophile community....

 

This actually reminds me of a fairly prolific brand in the studio space called Slick Audio. They sell your bog standard Clevo and NUC rebrands claiming they have been optimised for use in studios to justify doubling the price. A YouTuber named Glenn Fricker got absolutely lost in the sauce with them and it was absolutely painful to listen to. They are straight up just windows machines with nothing special but the brand claims to have designed custom circuit boards for them and only use the outer shell of the Clevo....... 

Not only that. If I remember it correctly, Apple was the first that removed the audiojack because aNaLog aUdIo sUx. When transfering audio through their Lightning cable, you get "sUpReriyjbhnghjnttgn qAlity". And then wireless earphones got the same treatment. Suddenly all other sheeps followed Apple and then no more audiojack.

[Entropy.]

1 hour ago, The Flying Sloth said:

Jesus Christ, I thought "oxygen free phase aligned linear crystalline low impedance" audio cables were as whacky as they would get but this is just next level. 

 

Here's a new cable to match

But getting a little more serious, If it doesn't affect the greater industry too much, I think it's fine. If they think that whatever product they're looking at betters sound reproduction, it's all them. Would at least people to fact-check their stuff and listen in a proper test before purchasing something so expensive... but it's their money. But shrug, people spend money in questionable ways already, if it makes them happy doing it, they should knock themselves out. I guess the larger concern is about some looney stuff seeping into gudes and whatnot in the wrong fashion, and having people that don't know what they're doing blind buying the gear, because their favorite audio influencer gushed about it's greatness. 

[kasugatei]

On 12/8/2021 at 5:01 AM, The Flying Sloth said:

They are straight up just windows machines with nothing special but the brand claims to have designed custom circuit boards for them and only use the outer shell of the Clevo....... 

I have missed that custom circuit boards, would you mind to show that statement?

 

Also, since my speciality is IT infrastructure I can tell you that you are missing the point. And I am not defending Slick here. IMHO they are way too expensive for hobbyists. 
I have seen so many eg. Supermicro servers rebranded and being sold for double price or even more. Why? Because company that rebranded them is offering 5 years of support for the full system, both hardware and software (even OS). If something goes wrong in the worst case scenario you will get a completely new server in a matter of days. If Slick provides that kind of service then it is something that has its worth in gold if that system makes your living. Not to mention not all people are tech savvy when it comes to troubleshooting PC problems. 

Also, all server makers provide extra support tiers in the case of the trouble and that kind of support is not cheap. In my previous company we charged 100% margin on the server and all that would take to optimize it (OS) was to run a single script in 5 min. However I personally worked through 3 years to improve that script and that time is not cheap. 
 

If they are promising that their PCs sound better than X PCs, than it would be scamming. 
 

TLDR support an know-how costs quite some money