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Why Even Have Motherboard Headers?

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Motherboard headers suck and I wonder why no one has 'built a better mousetrap'? Consider the fact that consumer technology has progressed to the point where a single USB-C cable would be all the I/O a computer needs if you have a good USB-C hub. Compare that user experience to motherboard headers and it makes me wonder why they haven't improved?

 

Let me run down a list of why I think motherboard headers suck: They aren't interoperable; case fans, cpu fans, argb, rgb, pumps, you just better hope there's enough of each specific type for your needs (and you better hope they're positioned conveniently). Those pins are fragile and they're not all redundant so you better hope you can sauter. They all look the same and they're all clumped together so you often need a flashlight and a magnifying glass just to figure out the pins. And if you ever think that isn't an issue, just Google "motherboard headers" and see all the confused forum posts.

 

I just think that board manufacturers could devise a better standard for connecting... Or just use USB. Imagine the simplicity of rows of USB-C connectors sautered directly to the motherboard. One cable to rule them all! Imagine how clean the cable routing could be if rgb case fans only used 1 daisy chained cable and it only had to reach to the closest motherboard edge. imagine cable management by just installing a shorter uniform cable. Think of the sheer compatibility! Suddenly ANYTHING and EVERYTHING in your PC could be addressable RGB coordinated in ONE desktop program.  But, perhaps this would be too much power for any single person to weild and they have separate headers for a really good reason.

 

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Some cases and motherboards already come with little clips that help make this easier. 

As far as you wanting everything controlled through one unified program...not happening. Every MFG wants their skin in the game. 

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Pretty much anything connected to a motherboard header is very simple, and most of the electronics are on the motherboard already. Perfect example is the headphone ports... do you want to move the DAC and amplifier onto the case? I really don't. Same goes for fans and the PWM control, along with everything else.

 

TL;DR: things are complicated already, lets not make them more complicated.

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1 minute ago, WhalelordEX said:

hey aren't interoperable; case fans, cpu fans, argb, rgb, pumps, you just better hope there's enough of each specific type for your needs

Manuals and tech specs usually eliminate this problem of hoping. 

 

2 minutes ago, WhalelordEX said:

They all look the same and they're all clumped together so you often need a flashlight and a magnifying glass just to figure out the pins.

Manual is much easier.

2 minutes ago, WhalelordEX said:

Imagine the simplicity of rows of USB-C connectors sautered directly to the motherboard. One cable to rule them all! Imagine how clean the cable routing could be if rgb case fans only used 1 daisy chained cable and it only had to reach to the closest motherboard edge

What's the amperage rating for USB-C? 

You can do plenty fine for cable management with the way things are set up now.

 

 

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If you add a standard that wipes out all fan connectors, rgb connectors, pump connectors and case IO connectors, what happens when someone gets a new motherboard. Now they need an entire new system?

At least ATX12VO should only keep it to PSU and motherboard.
 

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

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2 hours ago, WhalelordEX said:

Motherboard headers suck and I wonder why no one has 'built a better mousetrap'? Consider the fact that consumer technology has progressed

 

Motherboards aren't consumer technology.

 

I know anyone can go to a store and buy one but its like when Radio Shack used to sell all the parts to make your own radio. This isn't for the average person and there is no driving force to spend big money on R&D to make things simpler.

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