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Some review says 5800X and 12600K idle around 50W and 5800X reach ~160 peak / 12600K ~ 250+W at load.

But according to tweaktown chart 5800X is much power hungry than the 12600K. (idle 240, stress 495.)

 

which one is the correct?

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5 minutes ago, sdw123 said:

Some review says 5800X and 12600K idle around 50W and 5800X reach ~160 peak / 12600K ~ 250+W at load.

But according to tweaktown chart 5800X is much power hungry than the 12600K. (idle 240, stress 495.)

 

which one is the correct?

Uh, 5800x absolutely does not idle at 240 and peak at 495. 

 

Mine idles at ~35w and in PBO I see ~155W or so in certain benchmarks.

5800x/3090

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8 minutes ago, sdw123 said:

But according to tweaktown chart 5800X is much power hungry than the 12600K. (idle 240, stress 495.)

My system would not run if it used that much power. 

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No way… Intel has become the power hungry chips. A 5800X would never pull that much power, hell I doubt my 5950X would pull that much power…

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I think you might be confusing CPU power draw with system power draw. Both of those CPUs are more power efficient than that. For example, at stock, the 5800X is capped to 142W of power usage and it typically idles around 20W.

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12 minutes ago, sdw123 said:

Some review says 5800X and 12600K idle around 50W and 5800X reach ~160 peak / 12600K ~ 250+W at load.

But according to tweaktown chart 5800X is much power hungry than the 12600K. (idle 240, stress 495.)

 

which one is the correct?

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Just now, YoungBlade said:

I think you might be confusing CPU power draw with system power draw. Both of those CPUs are more power efficient than that. For example, at stock, the 5800X is capped to 142W of power usage and it typically idles around 20W.

On a re-read, yeah the TT graphs are for system power consumption.

5800x/3090

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9 minutes ago, sdw123 said:

Some review says 5800X and 12600K idle around 50W and 5800X reach ~160 peak / 12600K ~ 250+W at load.

But according to tweaktown chart 5800X is much power hungry than the 12600K. (idle 240, stress 495.)

 

which one is the correct?

thats bullshit.

Lets put it in perspective, the waste of sand 11700k and bassically as bad 11900k would pull about 300w under load and were some of the highest power draw cpus for consumers ever.

Either the tweaktown numbers are a mistake or purpossly wrong.

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1 minute ago, rickeo said:

As I suspected, those are system power consumption numbers - i.e. how much power the whole computer draws from the wall.

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1 minute ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

thats bullshit.

Lets put it in perspective, the waste of sand 11700k and bassically as bad 11900k would pull about 300w under load and were some of the highest power draw cpus for consumers ever.

Either the tweaktown numbers are a mistake or purpossly wrong.

No, they are total system power draw.

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1 minute ago, YoungBlade said:

No, they are total system power draw.

Then its just a bad way to review something.

It might be something good is combination with a cpu by itself power draw graph, but it puts too much on the power draw of other componets that may differ from intel to amd (like motherboard), and it pust more points of uncertanty, where inconsistencies in gpu, motherboard, drive, ram, and everything else. 

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Oh yh. Stupid me. Still then the charts are useless / misleading.

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Intel chips idle much lower than AMD. If you're looking at overall system power consumption and take into account idle/desktop time (in addition to Intel's current performance lead in relation to peak power/task completion time), power consumption is really overblown as a metric.

 

As long as your cooling solution and electrical wiring is good enough, power consumption is a metric for benchmarks and complaining.

 

As for full system power testing...it's fine. That's one of the few ways to accurately measure power consumption, and despite what you may think about other components influencing results, it absolutely is valid since it's not possible to pair an AMD board with an Intel board or vice versa. They are real world measurements of real world applications.

 

EDIT: Seems I might have been mistaken? Other reviews have shown lower idle consumption on Intel, and from my experience my idle power is quite low as well. Suppose that needs further review.

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2 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Then its just a bad way to review something.

It might be something good is combination with a cpu by itself power draw graph, but it puts too much on the power draw of other componets that may differ from intel to amd (like motherboard), and it pust more points of uncertanty, where inconsistencies in gpu, motherboard, drive, ram, and everything else. 

Getting the CPU power draw data is much more difficult - you can buy a basic power meter for $15 at a hardware store whereas it's hard to find the equipment to read directly from the EPS 12V cable. While not ideal for science, for a general audience, the full system power draw numbers are good enough. It tells you what power supply you need with the included graphics card (in this case, an RTX 3080) and that's the only thing most people actually care about for a review.

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12 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

Getting the CPU power draw data is much more difficult - you can buy a basic power meter for $15 at a hardware store whereas it's hard to find the equipment to read directly from the EPS 12V cable. While not ideal for science, for a general audience, the full system power draw numbers are good enough. It tells you what power supply you need with the included graphics card (in this case, an RTX 3080) and that's the only thing most people actually care about for a review.

People lost their goddamn minds about 10900k power consumption. I guarantee the vast majority of them are just gamers and/or at least not power users. The difference between a 200w full power or 300w full power chip is meaningless since most of them are never going to utilize their chips at full power outside of a benchmark. And for that once a week encoding task, it still won't counter the wasted idle power usage from the alternative AMD chip.

 

From personal experience on an OC 10900KF, CPU power draw is a non-issue. Especially with GPUs that are readily willing to gulp down 450+w.

 

But don't get me wrong, none of those figures really matter to anyone in real life. It's one of the weakest arguments I've seen in relation to CPU selection. 


Think back. When was the last time the difference in CPU power draw really affected any decision or outcome of a build project or a system task? And when you factor in idle power usage, the running costs are a wash. It's just academic.

 

Power consumption is either at the TOP of your list of things that's important (render farms, etc.) or it's at the bottom and meaningless. Since most people don't fit into the first category, I think it's overemphasized as a meaningful metric.

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Techpowerup usually has pretty charts that are easy to read : https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-12600k-alder-lake-12th-gen/20.html

 

The values are for WHOLE SYSTEM ... but you can easily estimate how much a CPU would consume on its own by subtracting  idle power from the heavy load power consumption, and adding a small amount, around 10-20 watts.

 

For example, idle power of a Ryzen 5600x system is 50 watts and multi-threaded power consumption is 126 watts ... so you can estimate 126 - 50 + ~ 10-20w = ~ 75-85w

 

Anandtech also has a BENCH section where they list the power consumption on JUST THE CPU and also conditions and details if needed : https://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU-2020/2734

You see there they measured 75w for 5600x.

 

They recently reviewed 12900k but didn't add it to that list yet... you can see how much cpu cores consume and you can estimate out how much a 12600k consumes from that - 12600 has 6 performance cores : https://www.anandtech.com/show/17047/the-intel-12th-gen-core-i912900k-review-hybrid-performance-brings-hybrid-complexity/4

 

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Just now, Mister Woof said:

People lost their goddamn minds about 10900k power consumption. I guarantee the vast majority of them are just gamers and/or at least not power users. The difference between a 200w full power or 300w full power chip is meaningless since most of them are never going to utilize their chips at full power outside of a benchmark. And for that once a week encoding task, it still won't counter the wasted idle power usage from the alternative AMD chip.

 

But don't get me wrong, none of those figures really matter to anyone in real life. It's one of the weakest arguments I've seen in relation to CPU selection. 

 

Power consumption is either at the TOP of your list of things that's important (render farms, etc.) or it's at the bottom and meaningless. Since most people don't fit into the first category, I think it's overemphasized as a meaningful metric.

It has been overemphasized, but it does matter. I'd put it in forth place after price, performance, and feature set.

 

The reason power consumption matters to gamers is that it increases the cost/complexity/space of a cooling solution. A 200W CPU can be cooled by something like the Scythe Fuma 2 - a fairly compact $60 air cooler - but just barely. At 300W, that same cooler fails hard. I'm not sure even the NH-D15 can keep up with a constant 300W heatload, which means that now you have to go with water cooling. Your particular cooler, the H150i, is certainly a good one, but it costs 3x as much and requires a much larger case than the Fuma 2 does.

 

Certainly, that doesn't put power consumption at the top of the list, but because it becomes a factor into the price of the whole system, it ends up influencing the factor that is at the top of the list.

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22 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

It has been overemphasized, but it does matter. I'd put it in forth place after price, performance, and feature set.

 

The reason power consumption matters to gamers is that it increases the cost/complexity/space of a cooling solution. A 200W CPU can be cooled by something like the Scythe Fuma 2 - a fairly compact $60 air cooler - but just barely. At 300W, that same cooler fails hard. I'm not sure even the NH-D15 can keep up with a constant 300W heatload, which means that now you have to go with water cooling. Your particular cooler, the H150i, is certainly a good one, but it costs 3x as much and requires a much larger case than the Fuma 2 does.

 

Certainly, that doesn't put power consumption at the top of the list, but because it becomes a factor into the price of the whole system, it ends up influencing the factor that is at the top of the list.

I see where you're going, but disagree to an extent.

 

First point - We have to define what is appropriate application. Does it really matter if your CPU runs into thermal throttling with a cheaper cooler in a full-power load if you're just gaming? How often will you see these values outside of a power virus? You get the right cooler for the job - and as you know with laptop solutions they constantly balance thermal limits, performance, and portability. It's part of the equation and performance generally suffers, but it's often considered worth it given the laptop's general usage scenarios. So if gaming is your only task, needing a super beefy cooler isn't necessarily the appropriate application. You can throw a Scythe Fuma 2 on a 12700k and it will be perfectly fine for a gamer. As for myself, it's luxury for sure to have a nicer cooler. But certainly not necessary. I think we all fall for the "it must be stable and not throttle at full load for 2 hours no matter what!" philosophy even if it's really impractical.

 

To put it in perspective - my car's automatic transmission could benefit from a more robust cooler....but since I'm not beating the shit out of it every day, it's perfectly fine as it is. Additionally, and back to the original poster's issues about power, idle power consumption shouldn't be ignored - it's a very common and lengthy state for most users. This metric is the reason why cylinder deactivation was invented and is applied to automobiles, to save energy while doing nothing. 

 

Second point - maybe you're right. If whatever you're doing is heavy CPU focused and a factor in profits, then regardless of immediately cooling costs and concurrent electricity, task completion time is probably the most important metric. So whichever does the job faster is probably the right move.

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50 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

thats bullshit.

Lets put it in perspective, the waste of sand 11700k and bassically as bad 11900k would pull about 300w under load and were some of the highest power draw cpus for consumers ever.

Either the tweaktown numbers are a mistake or purpossly wrong.

Why are you referencing chips that aren't even in the review, or being talked about here?

44 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Then its just a bad way to review something.

It might be something good is combination with a cpu by itself power draw graph, but it puts too much on the power draw of other componets that may differ from intel to amd (like motherboard), and it pust more points of uncertanty, where inconsistencies in gpu, motherboard, drive, ram, and everything else. 

It's not a bad way to review something in the least. In what world is someone using a CPU alone, outside of a completely system?

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Monitor: LG 29WK500 Mouse: G.Skill MX780 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red

 

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CPU: Intel i5 4690k Cooler: Corsair H100i V2 Motherboard: MSI Z97i AC ITX

RAM: Crucial Ballistix 16GB DDR3 Storage: Kingston Fury 240GB GPU: Asus Strix GTX 970

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6 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

I see where you're going, but disagree to an extent.

 

First point - We have to define what is appropriate application. Does it really matter if your CPU runs into thermal throttling with a cheaper cooler in a full-power load if you're just gaming? How often will you see these values outside of a power virus? You get the right cooler for the job - and as you know with laptop solutions they constantly balance thermal limits, performance, and portability. It's part of the equation and performance generally suffers, but it's often considered worth it given the laptop's general usage scenarios. So if gaming is your only task, needing a super beefy cooler isn't necessarily the appropriate application. You can throw a Scythe Fuma 2 on a 12700k and it will be perfectly fine for a gamer. As for myself, it's luxury for sure to have a nicer cooler. But certainly not necessary. I think we all fall for the "it must be stable and not throttle at full load for 2 hours no matter what!" philosophy even if it's really impractical.

 

To put it in perspective - my car's automatic transmission could benefit from a more robust cooler....but since I'm not beating the shit out of it every day, it's perfectly fine as it is.

 

Second point - maybe you're right. If whatever you're doing is heavy CPU focused and a factor in profits, then regardless of immediately cooling costs and concurrent electricity, task completion time is probably the most important metric. So whichever does the job faster is probably the right move.

It is true that certain use cases use less power, but then power consumption is still a factor: it's just that now the $60 cooler is acceptable.

 

I can understand your concerns that power consumption is getting used as a bizarre weapon to say that certain components are bad. The reason the weapon can be effective is that there is some truth to that. The reason it's often a dumb argument is that context matters.

 

For me, I don't seem much point in getting a high core count CPU if you're just gaming. Yes, the higher core count parts are clocked higher out of the box, but all the current Alder Lake and Zen 3 chips are unlocked, so that doesn't matter much. The only issue on the Intel side is that the cache size of the 12600K is much more limited than the 12700K and 12900K. On the AMD side, the 5600X gets you almost all of the performance of the 5950X.

 

If I was just gaming, I'd still be using my 9600K, because for the games I play and the GPU I have, that's plenty. But I have use cases where my 5900X runs full blast. For example: loading up a big project in Unity can take a few minutes even with the 5900X using all 24 threads (it used to take 10+ minutes with my 9600K). If the 5900X required 300W in that scenario, and I bought a cooler based on gaming only using 100W, that could be a problem. With heavy throttling, it might not save any time over my previous CPU, making it a waste of money.

 

I guess what I'm trying to get it is that, if you aren't going to use your CPU to its full potential, I'd question why you'd buy that CPU and not a lower tier one.

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Here's some data on idle power consumption for these chips:

 

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i5_12600k_processor_review,5.html
 

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We show energy consumption based on the entire PC (motherboard / processor / graphics card / memory / SSD). This number depends and will vary per motherboard (added ICs / controllers / wifi / Bluetooth) and PSU (efficiency). Keep in mind that we measure the ENTIRE PC, not just the processor's power consumption. Your average PC can differ from our numbers if you add optical drives, HDDs, soundcards etc. 

 

index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=757

 

index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=757

 

Seems in their testing, the AMD chips at idle were a little lower or pretty close to the Intel chips. Either way, we're looking at a difference at full load here of 146w for the 5600x and 223w for the 5600x....this is not game breaking and won't even affect your PSU choice. And for a gamer, it won't affect your cooler choice either.

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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5 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

It is true that certain use cases use less power, but then power consumption is still a factor: it's just that now the $60 cooler is acceptable.

 

I can understand your concerns that power consumption is getting used as a bizarre weapon to say that certain components are bad. The reason the weapon can be effective is that there is some truth to that. The reason it's often a dumb argument is that context matters.

 

For me, I don't seem much point in getting a high core count CPU if you're just gaming. Yes, the higher core count parts are clocked higher out of the box, but all the current Alder Lake and Zen 3 chips are unlocked, so that doesn't matter much. The only issue on the Intel side is that the cache size of the 12600K is much more limited than the 12700K and 12900K. On the AMD side, the 5600X gets you almost all of the performance of the 5950X.

 

If I was just gaming, I'd still be using my 9600K, because for the games I play and the GPU I have, that's plenty. But I have use cases where my 5900X runs full blast. For example: loading up a big project in Unity can take a few minutes even with the 5900X using all 24 threads (it used to take 10+ minutes with my 9600K). If the 5900X required 300W in that scenario, and I bought a cooler based on gaming only using 100W, that could be a problem. With heavy throttling, it might not save any time over my previous CPU, making it a waste of money.

 

I guess what I'm trying to get it is that, if you aren't going to use your CPU to its full potential, I'd question why you'd buy that CPU and not a lower tier one.

I think I've been over it a few times but mostly it was just luxury and/or boredom. Although there is some benefit to going with higher core counts for gaming (for Intel, anyway). The cache size makes the biggest difference on these older Intel chips, not really so much the core count.

 

The 10900K has 20mb, whereas the 10700k only has 16mb and the 10600k only has 12mb. That has been shown to increase gaming performance.

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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3 minutes ago, rickeo said:

Definitely going to have to check again when I get home, i'm fairly certain my 5800x is well below that, at least according to HWInfo.

Feels like it's all over the place. The data from tweaktown and other users here (along with me) indicate much lower idle system draw on Intel, but guru3d had different results.

 

I still stand by what I said earlier. The differences are pretty small overall and would not be a real significant factor in making a choice one way or another.

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Wife's System: i9-9900K Stock // Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi // Gigabyte Z390M Gaming // 32GB (4x8) Corsair Vengeance LED DDR4 3200 // ASUS KO RTX 3070 // Cooler Master Master Box NR400 ODD // Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850w // 1TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro/1TB Samsung 860 EVO/4TB Western Digital HDD // Displays: LG Ultragear 27GL83A-B/AOC AGON AG241QX/ASUS VG248QE // Corsair K68 Mechanical Keyboard // Corsair Harpoon Wireless // LG BDRW // NexStar 5.25" USB 3 Enclosure

 

TV Gamer: i7-8700K 5.0ghz All-core delidded @1.375v // Deepcool Gamerstorm Assassin III // Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming 5 // 32GB (4x8) Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 // XFX 5700XT RAW II // Corsair 275R Airflow // Corsair 650M Vengeance 650w // Intel 660P 1TB NVME M.2 SSD/4TB Western Digital Blue // Display: 50" Westinghouse 1080p // Rii Wireless Mini Keyboard w/Touchpad/Xbox One Controllers

 

TV Gamer 2: Intel i3-10100 // ASRock H410M-HDV/M.2 // 16GB (2x8) DDR4 T-Force Vulcan 2666 // XFX RX 580 8GB XXX Edition // Rosewill FBM-X2 // Gigabyte P750GM // 480GB PNY CS1311 SSD/2TB Seagate HDD // Display: LG 50" 4k TV // Rii Wireless Mini Keyboard w/Touchpad/Xbox One Controllers Donated.

 

Son's System: i7-8700 // Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi // ASRock Z370 Extreme 4 // 16GB (2x8) GeIL Potenza DDR 3200 // EVGA XC RTX 3060 // Corsair 275R Airflow // EVGA Supernova G5 650W Gold // 525GB Crucial MX300/1TB WD SN550 // Display: ACER Nitro VG240Y PBiip / Dell P2417H // Corsair K60 Pro SE // Logitech G203

 

Daughter's System: i5-9400 // Cooler Master i71c // MSI H310M Pro VDH-Plus // 8GB (2x4) Leven DDR4 2666 (2400) // Zotac GTX 1060 3GB Mini // DarkFlash Micro ATX White // Corsair CX550 // 480GB PNY CS1311 SSD/2TB Seagate HDD // Display: ASUS VG245H // Redragon TKL Mechanic Keyboard + Mouse

 

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