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i5 11400 or 10400 for new school build

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You want the Rocket Lake (11th Gen) CPU and for two very good reasons:

 

1) The virtualization tech for using VBS, which is literally so important as a security feature that Intel asks reviewers to enable it for Windows 11 gaming benchmarks on Alder Lake, is much, much better performing.  Like 20% better in many applications.

 

2) Even though gaming performance isn't really better, for day to day desktop use the new iGPU on 11th gen is much better, especially driving high resolution displays.

 

Other notes, the motherboards should be the same as for the 10th gen CPUs, you don't need to mix that up.  Also, when it comes to OS and software support as the system ages, the 11th Gen will be supported for much longer - figure 8 years versus 5 years.  So you'll make up the price difference on the back-end.  Also, yes, for gaming, the 11th gen i9 is basically a waste of sand... but for desktop use, the i5 and i7 are really nice chips.

Budget (including currency):  €500-€550

Country: Italy 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: high school work, will buy gpu later

Other details just need the pc, no gpu as i will buy later when have money for it, no windows, no monitor, no keyboard or mouse

 

I need some help with 11400 or 10400 as 10400 is bit cheaper and even mb is cheaper for it. I am in italy right now and all parts mostly from amazon as no other big retailer for pc parts.

I have looked at ryzen but there cpus are bit expensive here compare to intel. 11400 is €200 10400 is €160 and only ryzen under 200 is ryzen 5 1600  at €170 and 3 1300x at €180. Another good one is  i5-9600K at €185.

 

10400 seems good but not sure if it future proof compare to 11400 with b560 mb, i have checked review of 10400 vs 11400 and thery are so mixed not even sure if 11400 is more powerful based on some videos 

 

I have made a list, not fuzzy on case.  let me know what you think. 

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/B8Qmy4  

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For me, it'd be 11400>9600k>10400>Ryzen.

Also, the fact you're not buying a GPU pretty much eliminates Ryzen. It doesn't have any kind of iGPU.

250GB isn't going to hold much.

 

Current PC:

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CPU: Intel i3 4160 Cooler: Integrated Motherboard: Integrated

RAM: G.Skill RipJaws 16GB DDR3 Storage: Transcend MSA370 128GB GPU: Intel 4400 Graphics

PSU: Integrated Case: Shuttle XPC Slim

Monitor: LG 29WK500 Mouse: G.Skill MX780 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red

 

Budget Rig 1 - Sold For $750 Profit

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CPU: Intel i5 7600k Cooler: CryOrig H7 Motherboard: MSI Z270 M5

RAM: Crucial LPX 16GB DDR4 Storage: Intel S3510 800GB GPU: Nvidia GTX 980

PSU: Corsair CX650M Case: EVGA DG73

Monitor: LG 29WK500 Mouse: G.Skill MX780 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red

 

OG Gaming Rig - Gone

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CPU: Intel i5 4690k Cooler: Corsair H100i V2 Motherboard: MSI Z97i AC ITX

RAM: Crucial Ballistix 16GB DDR3 Storage: Kingston Fury 240GB GPU: Asus Strix GTX 970

PSU: Thermaltake TR2 Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX

Monitor: Dell P2214H x2 Mouse: Logitech MX Master Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red

 

 

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1 minute ago, dizmo said:

For me, it'd be 11400>9600k>10400>Ryzen.

Also, the fact you're not buying a GPU pretty much eliminates Ryzen. It doesn't have any kind of iGPU.

250GB isn't going to hold much.

 

Thank you for info, yeah I might change that to 500gb, I was more concern to get a good cpu and mb in my budget to start of and later add another ssd with gpu

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1 hour ago, Danial129 said:

Thank you for info, yeah I might change that to 500gb, I was more concern to get a good cpu and mb in my budget to start of and later add another ssd with gpu

I'd just spend the extra now, the price difference between the two isn't that great and it doesn't make sense to buy something again later.

 

Current PC:

Spoiler

CPU: Intel i3 4160 Cooler: Integrated Motherboard: Integrated

RAM: G.Skill RipJaws 16GB DDR3 Storage: Transcend MSA370 128GB GPU: Intel 4400 Graphics

PSU: Integrated Case: Shuttle XPC Slim

Monitor: LG 29WK500 Mouse: G.Skill MX780 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red

 

Budget Rig 1 - Sold For $750 Profit

Spoiler

CPU: Intel i5 7600k Cooler: CryOrig H7 Motherboard: MSI Z270 M5

RAM: Crucial LPX 16GB DDR4 Storage: Intel S3510 800GB GPU: Nvidia GTX 980

PSU: Corsair CX650M Case: EVGA DG73

Monitor: LG 29WK500 Mouse: G.Skill MX780 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red

 

OG Gaming Rig - Gone

Spoiler

 

CPU: Intel i5 4690k Cooler: Corsair H100i V2 Motherboard: MSI Z97i AC ITX

RAM: Crucial Ballistix 16GB DDR3 Storage: Kingston Fury 240GB GPU: Asus Strix GTX 970

PSU: Thermaltake TR2 Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX

Monitor: Dell P2214H x2 Mouse: Logitech MX Master Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red

 

 

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5 hours ago, dizmo said:

For me, it'd be 11400>9600k>10400>Ryzen.

 

9600k isnt hyperthreaded. if this is for school, he might need the extra threads.

 

theres is the 5600g as an option, the gpu is much better.

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PCPartPicker Part List: https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/4GztVc

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€305.90 @ Alternate Italia) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€71.90 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  (€63.07 @ Amazon Italia) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€43.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case: BitFenix Nova ATX Mid Tower Case  (€38.61 @ Amazon Italia) 
Power Supply: EVGA 600 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply  (€47.00 @ Amazon Italia) 
Total: €570.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-11-30 06:43 CET+0100

 

the motherboard has wifi so no need to buy a wifi pcie card.

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19 minutes ago, adarw said:

9600k isnt hyperthreaded. if this is for school, he might need the extra threads.

 

theres is the 5600g as an option, the gpu is much better.

At twice the price of his cheaper options, I don't think the 5600G is really in his budget. Plus, it's not like you're getting amazing performance out of an APU. It'd make more sense to save the money, and use the money saved towards a used GPU.

 

Highly doubt hyper threading would make much of, if any difference at all. It's also important to realize that just because something is (usually only slightly) slower, doesn't mean it can't do the task at all.

Current PC:

Spoiler

CPU: Intel i3 4160 Cooler: Integrated Motherboard: Integrated

RAM: G.Skill RipJaws 16GB DDR3 Storage: Transcend MSA370 128GB GPU: Intel 4400 Graphics

PSU: Integrated Case: Shuttle XPC Slim

Monitor: LG 29WK500 Mouse: G.Skill MX780 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red

 

Budget Rig 1 - Sold For $750 Profit

Spoiler

CPU: Intel i5 7600k Cooler: CryOrig H7 Motherboard: MSI Z270 M5

RAM: Crucial LPX 16GB DDR4 Storage: Intel S3510 800GB GPU: Nvidia GTX 980

PSU: Corsair CX650M Case: EVGA DG73

Monitor: LG 29WK500 Mouse: G.Skill MX780 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red

 

OG Gaming Rig - Gone

Spoiler

 

CPU: Intel i5 4690k Cooler: Corsair H100i V2 Motherboard: MSI Z97i AC ITX

RAM: Crucial Ballistix 16GB DDR3 Storage: Kingston Fury 240GB GPU: Asus Strix GTX 970

PSU: Thermaltake TR2 Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX

Monitor: Dell P2214H x2 Mouse: Logitech MX Master Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red

 

 

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You want the Rocket Lake (11th Gen) CPU and for two very good reasons:

 

1) The virtualization tech for using VBS, which is literally so important as a security feature that Intel asks reviewers to enable it for Windows 11 gaming benchmarks on Alder Lake, is much, much better performing.  Like 20% better in many applications.

 

2) Even though gaming performance isn't really better, for day to day desktop use the new iGPU on 11th gen is much better, especially driving high resolution displays.

 

Other notes, the motherboards should be the same as for the 10th gen CPUs, you don't need to mix that up.  Also, when it comes to OS and software support as the system ages, the 11th Gen will be supported for much longer - figure 8 years versus 5 years.  So you'll make up the price difference on the back-end.  Also, yes, for gaming, the 11th gen i9 is basically a waste of sand... but for desktop use, the i5 and i7 are really nice chips.

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