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Apple making their own (locked) Graphics cards in the future?

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Intel did the same. They went from integrated Graphics to now making their own graphics cards, that by their claims  should be on par with a 3070. Apples current integrated Gpu performance is already better than Intels (don't quote me on that) so whats to prevent them from making their own in like the next 5 years? They always wanted to be fully vertically integrated anyway, so not having to rely on AMD for their Mac desktop line is very compelling.

 

However will these Gpu's be like Nvidia's and  AMD's where you can put it in any system you want and it will work or will it be in Apple systems only and be made incompatible with PC's?

 

EDIT: Changed Nvidia to AMD

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Moved to the Graphics Card section. Please post in the relevant subforum.

 

6 minutes ago, genisboy said:

They always wanted to be fully vertically integrated anyway, so not having to rely on Nvidia for their Mac desktop line is very compelling.

??? Apple definitely does not rely on Nvidia...

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Intel is different, they will sell cards to the public individually. Apple builds their ecosystem so this is unlikely because it doesn't fit their business model.

 

Maybe because AMD stuff they're using now is satisfactory? They want their own ecosystem sure, but it's always cheaper if their partner would adapt to them rather than having to start scratch themselves. I'm not sure why they didnt start with Qualcomm but now that they are better, no reason to go backwards. As for CPUs in Mac, Intel did stagnate a few years and if you look at how ARM CPUs from Apple improve year by year despite the advantage over everything else on the market, they are obviously not happy with the lack of gaiins

 

13 minutes ago, genisboy said:

not having to rely on Nvidia for their Mac desktop line

Mac OS stopped supporting Nvidia GPUs after 10 series

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Given a lot of the benefits of their new architecture come from the unified memory and all being integrated I doubt Apple would even make a discrete GPU chip that isn't part of the SoC. If they did to allow for bigger GPU and CPU it'd likely be soldered to the board, and if they made cards e.g. for an upcoming AS based Mac Pro it'd be using a proprietary interface. Apple has never cared about their accessories and peripherals being usable outside of their own devices, quite the contrary if they have some piece of hardware that's superior they'll make it a point that to have the privilege of using it you'll have to buy the rest from them.

 

But it's pretty much a given at this point that they won't go with any GPU that's not their own in the forseeable future indeed. 

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Firstly Apple only makes hardware for their own ecosystem, they don't care about peripheral market.

Even if they sell parts, they only guarantee if you use it with mac os machines.

Apple making sure that any parts is only replaceable by authorized service center.

 

Secondly the gpu design is integrated within the CPU complex, one of the reason it is fast because of this.

26 minutes ago, genisboy said:

However will these Gpu's be like Nvidia's and  AMD's where you can put it in any system you want and it will work or will it be in Apple systems only and be made incompatible with PC's?

Apple moving from x86 meaning there would not be a gpu for x86 system. ever.

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4 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

Apple moving from x86 meaning there would not be a gpu for x86 system. ever.

I dont think moving x86 to arm have that much affect on the dGPU if you decide to use one. It will be something that has to be solved in the future anyway if ARM were to take over the desktop market in the distant future

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53 minutes ago, genisboy said:

They always wanted to be fully vertically integrated anyway, so not having to rely on Nvidia for their Mac desktop line is very compelling.

They don’t?

Mac desktops had one generation with nvidia gpus back in 2012. They’ve used AMD gpus ever since

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1 hour ago, Spotty said:

Moved to the Graphics Card section. Please post in the relevant subforum.

 

??? Apple definitely does not rely on Nvidia...

Ok AMD then

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55 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

They don’t?

Mac desktops had one generation with nvidia gpus back in 2012. They’ve used AMD gpus ever since

Yeah, you are right. I knew they used GPU's so I instantly went with Nvidia.

1 hour ago, SupaKomputa said:

Secondly the gpu design is integrated within the CPU complex, one of the reason it is fast because of this.

Apple moving from x86 meaning there would not be a gpu for x86 system. ever.

So are you implying that if they made standalone GPU's they would suck and that they would never make a standalone GPU in the first place?

 

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1 hour ago, genisboy said:

Yeah, you are right. I knew they used GPU's so I instantly went with Nvidia.

So are you implying that if they made standalone GPU's they would suck and that they would never make a standalone GPU in the first place?

 

It really cost to have a fairly decent GPU designed, either dGPU. Then if you want to manufacture said GPU, that will cost even way more. That is still not factoring in proper driver development. You will still have to with the Price Tag of the Add In Cards themselves.

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3 hours ago, genisboy said:

Yeah, you are right. I knew they used GPU's so I instantly went with Nvidia.

So are you implying that if they made standalone GPU's they would suck and that they would never make a standalone GPU in the first place?

 

No. they will never make a dgpu, especially outside their ecosystem, there's no benefit for them.

Even if they make a M1 Mac Pro with add on GPU of some sort, it won't be usable in windows PC, because they will not make it with the same standard (like different expansion slot from Pcie).

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