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Looking for advice on whether to go 1440p 144hz or 4k 60hz

Krisp-kiwi

Hey everyone,

 

I've just purchased 4k 60hz monitors however they have a fault with them and the store has given me the option to return however I'm not sure what to replace them with. My experience with 4K has been both good and bad. First and foremost MSFS2020 is absolutely made for 4K, it's quite stunning but other games like a heavily modded Skyrim needed to be brought down to 1440p to be reasonably playable although I noticed some issue with scaling. There's also a variety of applications that just aren't optimized for 4k and end up looking stretched, I'd say maybe about 20% of gaming applications and mod managers just looked bad. Overall though the quality I saw in games like MSFS has me thinking whether I should stick with 4K. 

Moving to 1440p on the other hand would fix the problem with scaling and I'm seeing a lot of people saying the jump from 60hz to 144hz is extremely noticeable and that they "wouldn't go back" This appeared to mostly relate to playing shooters so I'm not sure if I'd get as much benefit as I mostly play simulator / RPG games at present. Am I missing something there having never played over 60hz before?

I currently have a GTX1070 but am also looking to upgrade to a 3070 soon

Here's the monitor I originally purchased:
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MONSAM321280/Samsung-LU28R550U-28-4K-IPS-Monitor--3840X2160--2X

Here's the ones I was looking at:
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MONAS63285/ASUS-VG27BQ-27-QHD-Gaming-Monitor--2560X1440--G-Sy
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MONMSI4961680/MSI-Optix-MAG274QRF-27-QHD-Rapid-IPS-Gaming-Monito
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MONLGL32785/LG-UltraGear-27GL850-B-27-QHD-Gaming-Monitor-Nano
https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/shop/peripherals/monitors/gaming-monitors/gigabyte-m28u-kvm-28-uhd-144hz-ss-ips

 

What would you recommend here? Other recommendations are welcome

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Absolutely go 1440 at a higher refresh rate. I've got 600+ hrs in MSFS, and the way to do it is to run it at 4k, turn the resolution scaling back down to 65, and that'll give you a similar experience, but with better framerates, and no sharpening halo's. 

 

That MSI monitor is the best of what you listed but just a heads up, Windows itself isn't color managed. So think about getting an i1 Display, clamping the monitor to sRGB in the OSD, and calibrating it. 

 

If you don't clamp the gamut in the OSD, color will be a bit jank unless you're inside a color managed program like Photoshop, Premier, Resolve, or Capture One etc.... Most games aren't color managed either, so if you're using a high gamut monitor in windows, they'll look oversaturated with a significant gamma shift. 

 

 

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I'm one of the people who preaches the benefits of 144Hz. I'm personally running a 1440p 144Hz monitor, and I do think it's the best of both worlds, high enough resolution to have everything be crisp, yet not so high that you need to use Windows scaling. Granted, I don't play Flight Sim, but other sight seeing games I've played like SotTR and RDR2 look great on it with settings cranked at this resolution. If you can go to a store like Best Buy or an equivalent in New Zealand (I'm not that familiar with New Zealand) and try out the a high refresh rate monitor do it, there are some people who can't tell the difference, but most people can, and you're probably better off getting one of the higher refresh rate displays. 

 

As for specifics, I'm not that great with monitors, I know enough to give general advice, not specific.

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3 minutes ago, Action_Johnson said:

Absolutely go 1440 at a higher refresh rate. I've got 600+ hrs in MSFS, and the way to do it is to run it at 4k, turn the resolution scaling back down to 65, and that'll give you a similar experience, but with better framerates, and no sharpening halo's. 

 

That MSI monitor is the best of what you listed but just a heads up, Windows isn't color managed. So think about getting an i1 Display, clamping the monitor to sRGB in the OSD, and calibrating it. 

 

As far as I know, most games aren't color managed either, so if you're using a high gamut monitor in windows, color will be a bit jank unless you're in a color managed program like Photoshop, Premier, Resolve, or  Capture One etc....

 

 

Thanks for the advice mate. Just looking at the monitor, I've never heard anything about color managing before, Is this some external device that calibrates the monitor? The sharpness on the planes at 4k was definitely impressive so if I could get that on a 1440p monitor to get the best of both worlds without the huge pricetag is definitely attention grabbing.

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3 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I'm one of the people who preaches the benefits of 144Hz. I'm personally running a 1440p 144Hz monitor, and I do think it's the best of both worlds, high enough resolution to have everything be crisp, yet not so high that you need to use Windows scaling. Granted, I don't play Flight Sim, but other sight seeing games I've played like SotTR and RDR2 look great on it with settings cranked at this resolution. If you can go to a store like Best Buy or an equivalent in New Zealand (I'm not that familiar with New Zealand) and try out the a high refresh rate monitor do it, there are some people who can't tell the difference, but most people can, and you're probably better off getting one of the higher refresh rate displays. 

 

As for specifics, I'm not that great with monitors, I know enough to give general advice, not specific.

Yeah, I did look at 4k with 144hz as well with that Gigabyte m28u but that price tag is just insane.

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1440p 144hz

 

one of the best 1440p monitors are only 400usd (msi mag274qrf-qd)

gpus can actually run it

cheaper than 4k, same image quality except hdr

 

so unless you have a source that absolutely benefits from 4k (netflix hdr, consoles), go with 1440p.

 

I think i was playing some anime game at 60hz and forgot to switch back over to 100hz when i played borderlands, the very moment i tried to turn horizontally i noticed it was 60hz.

So having higher refresh is huge.

 

4k hdr simply cost too much atm and the cost doesn't justify the difference, cheapest way is LG OLED for 1200usd on sale+ a 3080ti

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2 minutes ago, xg32 said:

1440p 144hz

 

one of the best 1440p monitors are only 400usd (msi mag274qrf-qd)

gpus can actually run it

cheaper than 4k, same image quality except hdr

 

so unless you have a source that absolutely benefits from 4k (netflix hdr, consoles), go with 1440p.

 

I think i was playing some anime game at 60hz and forgot to switch back over to 100hz when i played borderlands, the very moment i tried to turn horizontally i noticed it was 60hz.

So having higher refresh is huge.

 

4k hdr simply cost too much atm and the cost doesn't justify the difference, cheapest way is LG OLED for 1200usd on sale+ a 3080ti

Looks to be a bit higher, I should probably note i have a 4k tv in the same room so it really is gaming / productivity that im going for. Is this monitor just better on the HDR front than the other one as it's pushing double the price.
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MONMSI4961682/MSI-Optix-MAG274QRF-QD-27-QHD-Rapid-IPS-Gaming-Mon

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6 minutes ago, Krisp-kiwi said:

Looks to be a bit higher, I should probably note i have a 4k tv in the same room so it really is gaming / productivity that im going for. Is this monitor just better on the HDR front than the other one as it's pushing double the price.
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MONMSI4961682/MSI-Optix-MAG274QRF-QD-27-QHD-Rapid-IPS-Gaming-Mon

not really a hdr monitor (cheapest is an oled tv), but if has a combination of wide color gamut, high refresh rate, and deep enough contrast for an ips panel. There are usually some type of compromise, (LG model has low contrast so has trouble with black and grey)

 

the non-qd version loses alot of the gamut and some of the contrast. I think for those nz prices, i wouldn't pick the LG, if you are willing to pay 600 for the LG i'd recommend 800 for the QD, but i'm not sure it's worth double of the non-QD

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9900k 1.36v 5.1avx 4.9ring 85C 195w (daily) 1.02v 4.3ghz 80w 50C R20 temps score=5500 ll D15 ll Z390 taichi ult 1.60 bios ll gskill 4x8gb 14-14-14-30-280-20 ddr3666bdie 1.45v 45C 1.22sa/1.18 io  ll EVGA 30 non90 tie ftw3 1920//10000 0.85v 300w 71C ll  6x nf14 ippc 2000rpm ll 500gb nvme 970 evo ll l sandisk 4tb sata ssd +4tb exssd backup ll 2x 500gb samsung 970 evo raid 0 llCorsair graphite 780T ll EVGA P2 1200w ll w10p ll NEC PA241w ll pa32ucg-k

 

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