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I have a dumb question that involves a CM 212 Evo and sanding.

mr fobs

I have an old Cooler Master 212 EVO from like 2013. The design has not changed at all. My question is about the copper tubes poking out the top. I have it in a new mATX build I just did and it is ever so slightly pushing against the side panel. I am wondering if I am able to sand the heat pipes, and if  so, how far until I ruin them? If this is extra dumb just yell at me.

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1 minute ago, mr fobs said:

I have an old Cooler Master 212 EVO from like 2013. The design has not changed at all. My question is about the copper tubes poking out the top. I have it in a new mATX build I just did and it is ever so slightly pushing against the side panel. I am wondering if I am able to sand the heat pipes, and if  so, how far until I ruin them? If this is extra dumb just yell at me.

This is probably not feasible, but I shan't shout at you since you asked first 😉 

They are hollow and rely on being sealed, so if they are punctured, the effectiveness of the cooler will tank.

Bending them is "probably" safer than sanding, but it all depends on how badly it touches the side panel.

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1 minute ago, For Science! said:

 

They are hollow and rely on being sealed, so if they are punctured, the effectiveness of the cooler will tank.

I was wondering if the ends are solid after being clamped in the factory? They just just enough that the side panel will pop open if bumped, but no enough to visibly bend the side panel out where they touch. It would have to me less than 1 mm of sanding/bending

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Keep in mind also that heatpipes have a lifespan and that a cooler from that long ago may still have working heatpipes but its kinda nearing the age where thwy dont work as well as they did when new so simply replacing the cooler anyway isnt a bad idea

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1 minute ago, emosun said:

Keep in mind also that heatpipes have a lifespan and that a cooler from that long ago may still have working heatpipes but its kinda nearing the age where thwy dont work as well as they did when new so simply replacing the cooler anyway isnt a bad idea

Well I used it in a small build I didn't want to spend any money on.. This cooler was only used for a few days back in 2014 and its been in storage ever since. So my options are this or intel stock cooler and this has my idle 10400 at 30C according to the BIOS. I haven't checked HWinfo yet.

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3 minutes ago, mr fobs said:

I was wondering if the ends are solid after being clamped in the factory? They just just enough that the side panel will pop open if bumped, but no enough to visibly bend the side panel out where they touch. It would have to me less than 1 mm of sanding/bending

I would still prefer bending, or sand down the side panel 😛 I guess you can give it a try if you're willing to replace it if it  all goes wrong 

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4 minutes ago, For Science! said:

I would still prefer bending, or sand down the side panel 😛 I guess you can give it a try if you're willing to replace it if it  all goes wrong 

There is above 3-4mm of metal between it and the inner chamber at the tip as I've weirdly enough gotten 3 hyper 212's that got sanded in over the years.

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4 minutes ago, For Science! said:

I would still prefer bending, or sand down the side panel 😛 I guess you can give it a try if you're willing to replace it if it  all goes wrong 

I can't imagine the torque you'd put on the structure to get those small nubs bent, how would you stabilize and hold the cooler and what would you use to bend?  Pliers won't work it doesn't look like, not enough to grab and not enough metal to bend properly.

 

Since you have the stock cooler as backup, I'd sand these down and see.

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4 minutes ago, For Science! said:

I would still prefer bending, or sand down the side panel 😛 I guess you can give it a try if you're willing to replace it if it  all goes wrong 

Here's the build if you were curious. I only bought the case, motherboard and CPU. Everything else was stuff i already had. I needed to update my Plex server.

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17 minutes ago, emosun said:

Keep in mind also that heatpipes have a lifespan and that a cooler from that long ago may still have working heatpipes but its kinda nearing the age

Yeah gonna need your sources on that. Heatpipe degradation and cooling efficiency loss is not something a consumer level computer hardware user needs to worry about (Other than environmental issues like dust build up and also thermal paste). If that was the case, cooler master would have never sold socket upgrade brackets even for coolers made in 2007 (the year 212 was released) to be used in 2021 OR kept using the same mounting mechanism while keeping older units relevant.

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10 minutes ago, mr fobs said:

Here's the build if you were curious. I only bought the case, motherboard and CPU. Everything else was stuff i already had. I needed to update my Plex server.

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That is totally fine just leave it be.

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BAD idea.....

You'll destroy the integrity of the tube.

even if it's a 10 year old design, still a good design.

Mine was from the same era, and it is still good.

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I think I am going to leave it for now, thanks guys for your replies!

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8 hours ago, Levent said:

Yeah gonna need your sources on that. Heatpipe degradation and cooling efficiency loss is not something a consumer level computer hardware user needs to worry about (Other than environmental issues like dust build up and also thermal paste). If that was the case, cooler master would have never sold socket upgrade brackets even for coolers made in 2007 (the year 212 was released) to be used in 2021 OR kept using the same mounting mechanism while keeping older units relevant.

Yeah gonna need your sources on heatpipes lasting literally forever.

 

Or is "I saw a bracket" your source

 

Perhaps a link to a heatsink from the jurassic period would help me out

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29 minutes ago, emosun said:

Yeah gonna need your sources on heatpipes lasting literally forever.

 

Or is "I saw a bracket" your source

 

Perhaps a link to a heatsink from the jurassic period would help me out

lol Nothing lasts forever.... 

But a heat pipe will remain good as long as it's never punctured.

 

Typically they are under a vacuum and have a small bit of moisture (water) which is acting as a heat exchanger. The water heats up and boils, vapors to the top of the pipes and cools. Then condensates and drips back down.

 

A couple of reasons a lot of these coolers don't work well is because of the orientation. They are better suited for standing up, vs hanging sideways off the board. Another reason, like the Hyper 212 in this case is the lack of heatpipes and low fin density. 

 

Got one brand new in the box right here. I imagine it'll never ever be used for anything..... 

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@emosun @ShrimpBrime https://celsiainc.com/heat-sink-blog/heat-pipe-design-guide/

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Their typical lifespan is at least 20 years and can go through thousands of freeze-thaw cycles without damage. Heat pipe failure is most likely to occur A) due to poor manufacturing processes and B) as a result of exposure to unplanned conditions: corrosive substances and unintended physical damage are the most common.

 

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On 10/20/2021 at 6:16 PM, WoodenMarker said:

 

 

ah good then nothing i typed was wrong , glad thats been cleared up

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