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Having a hard time time picking between monitors. another 4k vs 1440 post

Golfpilot

My girlfriend intercepted my CRG9 yesterday. I am in So I am using an old 4k 60hz monitor until I replace it. I run a 5900x and 3090, I spend most of my gaming time playing Warzone and FlightSimulator 2020. With the CRG9 I was able to cap out 120hz and the experience was pretty good. So I'm considering a 4k 32 inch 144hz monitor. But also considering a 2k 32 inch 160hz monitor. The 4k res would be awesome in flightsim but the extra 20hz would be kind of nice in warzone. The prices are significantly different but that isn't really a factor. To the side I will have the monitor I am using right now 28 inch 4k 60hz monitor. I've ruled out the few 2k 240hz simply because half of my gaming is a game that maxes out in the 70fps category and warzone just doesn't need that at my skill level

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"2k" is ambiguous, and none of the definitions of it are 1440p, so I'm gonna assume that's a typo and you didn't actually mean 1080p.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2K_resolution

 

As far as the GPU, I think all 30 series can support up to the same 7680x4320 max digital resolution.  That's 3x 1440p or 2x 4k monitors.  So armed with that knowledge, I'd base my choice around whether I was intending (long term) to have a 3 monitor or 2 monitor setup.

 

There's also 21:9 options out there like this AOC 34", 3440x1440, 144hz

 

https://www.amazon.com/AOC-CU34G2X-Frameless-Immersive-Adjustable/dp/B07ZB2TNZZ/ref=pd_lpo_2?pd_rd_i=B07ZB2TNZZ&th=1

 

 

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12 minutes ago, adarw said:

thats a weird way to say broke.

She wanted it for her office at work, and I've been kinda wanting to go to a normal aspect ratio monitor for a couple of years so I didn't really fight it. 

6 minutes ago, IPD said:

"2k" is ambiguous, and none of the definitions of it are 1440p, so I'm gonna assume that's a typo and you didn't actually mean 1080p.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2K_resolution

 

As far as the GPU, I think all 30 series can support up to the same 7680x4320 max digital resolution.  That's 3x 1440p or 2x 4k monitors.  So armed with that knowledge, I'd base my choice around whether I was intending (long term) to have a 3 monitor or 2 monitor setup.

 

There's also 21:9 options out there like this AOC 34", 3440x1440, 144hz

 

https://www.amazon.com/AOC-CU34G2X-Frameless-Immersive-Adjustable/dp/B07ZB2TNZZ/ref=pd_lpo_2?pd_rd_i=B07ZB2TNZZ&th=1

 

 

I want a normal 16:9 ration monitor so 2k is referring to 1440 and 4k 2160

The plan is to have the center 32 inch monitor and my real old 4k 60hz monitor on the side. Only gaming on the one center one. I didn't realize 3000 series cards even had a "max resolution" I could have sworn I've seen youtube videos with 3 4k monitors but maybe not. 

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1 minute ago, IPD said:

1440p is 100% NOT 2k.

It really doesn't matter as I'm referring to 2560x1440. But if you type "2k resolution" into google, it says 2560x1440. 

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I have a 3090 and a 3080.  At 4k in games there is usually a 4 to 10fps difference.  At 1044p it is a 16 to 24fps difference. 

So at 1440p the 3090 feels a bit more worth it to me.

 

At 1440p the limitations of the currant high end CPUs come into play since I am CPU bound with my 5800x and i9 10900k at that resolution. At 4k I feel like I need more GPU.

 

My solution is using an OLED. They can do a perfect 1440p and 4k and 120hz is fine for me.

 

 

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43 minutes ago, IPD said:

I think all 30 series can support up to the same 7680x4320 max digital resolution.  That's 3x 1440p or 2x 4k monitors.

This is completely wrong. That max resolution is per port, not total. Ampere is limited to 2 8K screens but it can run as many screens as it has ports at lower resolutions.

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1 hour ago, IPD said:

1440p is 100% NOT 2k.

https://books.google.com/books?id=qMYR00OxN8EC&pg=PA125

 

2000 horizontal pixels - or anything approximately thus.  Meaning 1080p is actually "2k" and 1440p is not.

 

I'm not trying to be a dick.  I'm simply tired of HORRIBAD nomenclature completely screwing up the industry, confusing consumers, and standing in the way of progress.

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1 hour ago, BobVonBob said:

This is completely wrong. That max resolution is per port, not total. Ampere is limited to 2 8K screens but it can run as many screens as it has ports at lower resolutions.

 

I cannot find this data anywhere on Nvidia's website.  Nor does it compute in my mind, since HDMI 2.0 and DP 1.4 cannot run that resolution off a single port @60 hz.

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2 hours ago, Golfpilot said:

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right now the best mid range 1440p and 2160p monitors are both msi, but the 4k one is nowhere near perfect so it's up to you if you wanna wait, monitors come out slowly,

 

32inch ips monitors have response time issues so 27inch is still recommended for 1440p (so you'd be giving alot just by going 32inch), and currently gpus are just not fast enough for 4k/120/144hz imho

 

another option is the pg35vq, which is just a better monitor than the g9, as it is one of the few monitors out there with true HDR.

 

 

 

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I CANNOT recommend a 4k monitor to the gaming enthusiast right now--and i detest anything below 4k.  The GPU market simply hasn't created a space where consumers will demand high-quality gaming performance from a 4k monitor...and as thus, the segment is rather barren.

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1 hour ago, IPD said:

I cannot find this data anywhere on Nvidia's website.  Nor does it compute in my mind, since HDMI 2.0 and DP 1.4 cannot run that resolution off a single port @60 hz.

HDMI 2.0 can't run 8K 60, but both HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4/1.4a are capable of it.

 

If you want references, here's Nvidia's Ampere architecture doc. Page 33 states it can run two 8K displays.

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Well I ordered a Gigabyte M32U. I decided to play MS2020 on the old 28 inch 4K monitor and the instruments were really easy to read. Even on the smaller screen I wasn’t needing to zoom in like on the CRG9 (which is essentially two 1440p monitors). And my FPS was locked on 60fps @4k butter for a flight sim. That extra clarity is more attractive to me than an extra 100hz in warzone so I’m giving this thing a try. I’ll still be pushing 24hz more than I was on the CRG9 in warzone but I’m guessing I’ll have to tome the graphics down a bit to get those frames 

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3 hours ago, BobVonBob said:

HDMI 2.0 can't run 8K 60, but both HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4/1.4a are capable of it.

 

If you want references, here's Nvidia's Ampere architecture doc. Page 33 states it can run two 8K displays.

Interesting.  But that would make the max display resolution double 8k.  And it's been listed as single 8k for 3 generations...

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1 hour ago, IPD said:

But that would make the max display resolution double 8k.

Nvidia's "max digital resolution" spec means absolutely nothing about the total number of displays, it's just the highest resolution the digital outputs can handle.

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On 10/16/2021 at 6:30 PM, Golfpilot said:

but the extra 20hz would be kind of nice in warzone

You will not be able to tell the difference between a 120Hz and a 144Hz monitor. Not even a 165Hz one. When you approach 200-240Hz you'll maybe start to notice a difference. So don't get your hopes up. However, going for an IPS monitor might make the experience better because of faster pixel response times, not the higher refresh rate.

 

On 10/16/2021 at 9:22 PM, IPD said:

I cannot find this data anywhere on Nvidia's website.  Nor does it compute in my mind, since HDMI 2.0 and DP 1.4 cannot run that resolution off a single port @60 hz.

People are running triple 4K setups off single GPUs. That should be proof enough that the max resolution is for each port, not overall.

 

On 10/16/2021 at 9:26 PM, xg32 said:

right now the best mid range 1440p and 2160p monitors are both msi, but the 4k one is nowhere near perfect so it's up to you if you wanna wait, monitors come out slowly,

 

32inch ips monitors have response time issues so 27inch is still recommended for 1440p (so you'd be giving alot just by going 32inch), and currently gpus are just not fast enough for 4k/120/144hz imho

 

another option is the pg35vq, which is just a better monitor than the g9, as it is one of the few monitors out there with true HDR.

 

 

 

The Gigabyte M32U is the first really good 32" 4K IPS monitor. Rtings has already reviewed it, with the response times basically being on-par with the M27Q.

 

On 10/16/2021 at 9:29 PM, IPD said:

I CANNOT recommend a 4k monitor to the gaming enthusiast right now--and i detest anything below 4k.  The GPU market simply hasn't created a space where consumers will demand high-quality gaming performance from a 4k monitor...and as thus, the segment is rather barren.

There are plenty of really good 27" 4K high refresh rate monitors. And even in the 32" segment the first really good option has popped up.

 

On 10/17/2021 at 12:34 AM, Golfpilot said:

Well I ordered a Gigabyte M32U. I decided to play MS2020 on the old 28 inch 4K monitor and the instruments were really easy to read. Even on the smaller screen I wasn’t needing to zoom in like on the CRG9 (which is essentially two 1440p monitors). And my FPS was locked on 60fps @4k butter for a flight sim. That extra clarity is more attractive to me than an extra 100hz in warzone so I’m giving this thing a try. I’ll still be pushing 24hz more than I was on the CRG9 in warzone but I’m guessing I’ll have to tome the graphics down a bit to get those frames 

That was the one i'd have recommended either way. Good choice.

If someone did not use reason to reach their conclusion in the first place, you cannot use reason to convince them otherwise.

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31 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

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i think for the price diff the msi might be better for the color gamut, but i'm a sucker for that, m32u's good too

 

I think the reasons these monitors are so slow is purely cause of the super wide gamut, hoping the oems find a balance soon (anyway that's irrelevant for op)

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4 minutes ago, xg32 said:

i think for the price diff the msi might be better for the color gamut, but i'm a sucker for that, m32u's good too

 

I think the reasons these monitors are so slow is purely cause of the super wide gamut, hoping the oems find a balance soon

The 274QRF-QD is a good example of the opposite. Also huge color gamut, but still very good response times.

 

I'd say it's simply the fact that there are no "new" 32" 4K panels to buy for Asus, Msi, etc. AUO and LG just didn't develop 4K 32" panels using the same tech as their latest 27" panels from what it looks like.

If someone did not use reason to reach their conclusion in the first place, you cannot use reason to convince them otherwise.

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