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Apple to release Handheld Console to compete with the Switch?

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Rumors coming out that Apple is going to release a new handheld gaming device to market. 

 

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This time around, Apple will aim at the mass market to possibly dethrone the Nintendo Switch. According to a report, the Apple console will be a hybrid device, a combination of Switch and Sony’s PS5. If this comparison means the portability of Switch, but the power of the PS5 then we need to be excited. After all, Nintendo Switch’s big deal is the portability, but the console falls behind the competition in terms of hardware. That is one of the reasons that make the Steam Deck so appealing. Valve’s handheld console can run AAA games without any hassle. The rumor continues stating that Apple’s rumored console will work with the also rumored AR/VR headset.

 

My thoughts

At this point apple is all in on the new M1 / M2 silicon, so I expect any new devices being released to be a variant on that chip, making this an iPad with controls built in.

That being said?  If they actually do that, and get support, it would put gaming back onto Apple devices, which could be a beneficial thing to their ecosystem across the board.

 

But I'll need to see a LOT from apple before I take any gaming products from them seriously.  

 

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https://www.gizchina.com/2021/10/12/apple-handheld-console-is-coming-to-compete-with-the-nintendo-switch

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1 minute ago, adarw said:

dont think this is real tbh, apple going back to the gaming industry will be a joke to gamers. maybe people in the ecosysteme will buy it but who knows.

That's apple's deal, they want everyone to live in the apple ecosystem, bringing this out would make a new area that they weren't in before to lock people down.  Again.

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3 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

So it's a Steam Deck but with less games available and without acknowledging that right to repair exists? 

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I could see this actually being a thing, depending on who the target market is. If it’s aimed towards kids as an iPod touch replacement then I could see it gaining some traction there. I once helped out at a summer robotics class and a good portion of the demons children were using them there because their parents didn’t want them to have a phone yet. Plus, I’m fairly convinced that a good chunk of the mobile gaming demographic is made up of kids. 
 

On the other hand, if this is targeted towards adults and “hardcore gamers” then they’re just being wishful. The portable gaming market already has the Nintendo Switch dominating, and with the Steam Deck generating as much hype as it has I doubt there’s room for more.

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From a hardware perspective, Apple certainly do have a shot at doing what I'd call a Super Switch. However I think comparing it to a PS5 is wishful thinking. That level of power if it were attained will be wasted on a mobile form factor device with a small screen. Maybe there is some argument for it if they did the Switch style dock for home use too. Apple wont want to be seen to copy someone else, so it would be an open question what would Apple do to be seen to lead in a new direction?

 

I only became a Switch owner earlier this year, and it feels worse in hardware than my iPad mini 2019 for gaming. Feels like Nintendo is hanging on mainly through names like Mario and Pokemon. On that note, native games are going to be the most interesting hurdle for Apple. They have the pockets to buy their own ecosystem to lead the way, with support for iOS games also. So that could be a way they could try to capture not only more of the existing mobile market but expand higher up too.

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I'm dorry Apple, but absolutely no way is that going to dethrone the switch, so long as Nintendo has those exclusives that a lot of people seem to like

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They already have it. It's called an iPhone and iPad. Why would they make a whole new device when these can already be used for gaming and you either have it at home or always with you?

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3 hours ago, tkitch said:

Summary

Rumors coming out that Apple is going to release a new handheld gaming device to market. 

 

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My thoughts

At this point apple is all in on the new M1 / M2 silicon, so I expect any new devices being released to be a variant on that chip, making this an iPad with controls built in.

That being said?  If they actually do that, and get support, it would put gaming back onto Apple devices, which could be a beneficial thing to their ecosystem across the board.

 

But I'll need to see a LOT from apple before I take any gaming products from them seriously.  

 

Sources

https://www.gizchina.com/2021/10/12/apple-handheld-console-is-coming-to-compete-with-the-nintendo-switch

Basically it would be an ipad-mini with a built in switch controller configuration if it was.

 

Like there are certainly ways of improving "the controller" experience, as basically everyone has figured out that the perfect button arrangement was the SNES/PSX configuration. However the controllers have yet to be designed to not hurt your fingers/thumbs over long play time, and one-size-fits-all doesn't work.

 

Which isn't to say I don't think this is it. The linked article (two links deep) suggests it's an AppleTV platform.

 

At any rate, there's really only two directions for games to go:

- Leverage existing iOS/iPadOS library and develop what is essentially a more durable ipad-mini with innovative controls (no, on-screen controls are complete garbage in every game, and results in PC ports that are also complete garbage.) 

- Leverage existing AppleTV device characteristics, where the AppleTV is basically a miracast endpoint, and the "controller" uses an existing iphone/ipod device platform to cast to it.

 

I don't believe Apple would create a single-purpose device like this, just for games, since that means a commitment to one SoC design for several years. At best, they could probably produce something "better" than Nintendo, but not cheaper.

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1 hour ago, porina said:

From a hardware perspective, Apple certainly do have a shot at doing what I'd call a Super Switch. However I think comparing it to a PS5 is wishful thinking. That level of power if it were attained will be wasted on a mobile form factor device with a small screen. Maybe there is some argument for it if they did the Switch style dock for home use too. Apple wont want to be seen to copy someone else, so it would be an open question what would Apple do to be seen to lead in a new direction?

 

I only became a Switch owner earlier this year, and it feels worse in hardware than my iPad mini 2019 for gaming. Feels like Nintendo is hanging on mainly through names like Mario and Pokemon. On that note, native games are going to be the most interesting hurdle for Apple. They have the pockets to buy their own ecosystem to lead the way, with support for iOS games also. So that could be a way they could try to capture not only more of the existing mobile market but expand higher up too.

If it weren’t for the fact that Nintendo and Apple are both pretty bullheaded, an Apple/Nintendo partnership could be a very potent combination. As the Switch has shows, you don’t necessarily need to compete in raw performance with the big consoles so long as it’s close enough, and the M1x will probably hit that mark. And especially now, Apple has a strong advantage in actually keeping their products in stock vs Sony and Microsoft. 

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14 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

They already have it. It's called an iPhone and iPad. Why would they make a whole new device when these can already be used for gaming and you either have it at home or always with you?

More battery less focus on thinness and physical controlers.

 

While I don’t believe in this speculation or rumor myself I do think that apple has the hardware to do this, if they want to, with the AS cpus and gpus, they are class leaders in performance per watt.

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The source links to a single idropnews.com article that amounts to basically "trust me bro, they didn't release an A14 Apple TV which means they're totally going to release a handheld gaming machine." The author alludes to tweets from "reputable leakers" but doesn't link to them at all. Wild speculation at best, tabloid news at worst.

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3 minutes ago, InstantNewt said:

The source links to a single idropnews.com article that amounts to basically "trust me bro, they didn't release an A14 Apple TV which means they're totally going to release a handheld gaming machine." The author alludes to tweets from "reputable leakers" but doesn't link to them at all. Wild speculation at best, tabloid news at worst.

Thanks for actually looking at the source's origin. It's a reflex I haven't really developed and really need to!

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I could see this going either way. Defintitely sounds fake but Apple IS ramping up their games service. Wouldn't be that hard to make a thicker ipad with a controller and more battery built in that practically requires a $10-20/month subscription. 

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3 hours ago, adarw said:

dont think this is real tbh, apple going back to the gaming industry will be a joke to gamers. maybe people in the ecosysteme will buy it but who knows.

I actually do think it may be real with how hard Apple has been pushing Arcade and gaming performance on their mobile devices. But I don't think they are going to releases a console or handheld device. More likely a standalone VR headset or based upon Samsungs launch of AR glasses and Apples patents a hololens like device that is more fashion orientated like the apple watches. So probably a partnership with Gucci, Ray Bans, or Dior

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14 minutes ago, comander said:

I could see this going either way. Defintitely sounds fake but Apple IS ramping up their games service. Wouldn't be that hard to make a thicker ipad with a controller and more battery built in that practically requires a $10-20/month subscription. 

That's exactly how I see it.  A modded iPad with hardware controls, and a walled garden game service.   

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Apple is not exactly an established game studio. While they do provide a platform on which you can find games (not just the appstore, but also Apple Arcade), I find it hard to believe they would make a "console" just for this purpose. Even if they reportedly have studios onboard. The WiiU also had studios on board at first and see how that ended.

 

Unless they price this aggressively (which doesn't match their M.O. thus far), I don't expect it to get a huge player game.

If it does come out, I'm predicting it will likely just be an iOS-lite device, stripped down to the bare minimum for games and primarily run mobile games with possibly an x86 emulator for specific PC games that Apple decided we could get.

 

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The company has its alternatives to Breath of the Wild [...] already ready to go. 

Let me guess. It's Genshin Impact.

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4 hours ago, tkitch said:

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Rumors coming out that Apple is going to release a new handheld gaming device to market. 

 

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My thoughts

At this point apple is all in on the new M1 / M2 silicon, so I expect any new devices being released to be a variant on that chip, making this an iPad with controls built in.

That being said?  If they actually do that, and get support, it would put gaming back onto Apple devices, which could be a beneficial thing to their ecosystem across the board.

 

But I'll need to see a LOT from apple before I take any gaming products from them seriously.  

 

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https://www.gizchina.com/2021/10/12/apple-handheld-console-is-coming-to-compete-with-the-nintendo-switch

They already have the iPad Mini and there are plenty of 3rd party accessories that add thumb sticks etc... They already have a range of gaming handheld devices.

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12 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

They already have the iPad Mini and there are plenty of 3rd party accessories that add thumb sticks etc... They already have a range of gaming handheld devices.

"What's a Console?"

Ahh Apple, you're so predictable. 😏

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No literally just no. Apple will just make it locked down with exclusives. Which makes me really annoyed since Microsoft and Sony are finally moving away from the console wars and moving towards cross play. Heck even Nintendo made apps to put their games on other devices. 

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3 hours ago, Zodiark1593 said:

As the Switch has shows, you don’t necessarily need to compete in raw performance with the big consoles

I feel like Nintendo is the only company that gets away with that.

20 minutes ago, SlidewaysZ said:

Heck even Nintendo made apps to put their games on other devices. 

huh? you mean non-nintendo devices? Sure, they have one or two games for smartphones, but idk of any nintendo console game you can legally play on a non-nintendo device.

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How about they just make a first party controller for the iphone and ipad?

 

Gamevice made one, (for the ipad) but doesn't have L3 and R3

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and there is a billion controllers for the iphone.

 

i don't see this being real. I don't think there's enough games on the app store with full controller integration.

 

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7 hours ago, tkitch said:

If this comparison means the portability of Switch, but the power of the PS5 then we need to be excited.

BULL. SHIT.

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Judge the product by its own merits, not by the Company that created it.

 

Don't dilute <good thing> by always trying to focus on, and drag conversation back to, <bad thing>.

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2 hours ago, poochyena said:

I feel like Nintendo is the only company that gets away with that.

 

They get away with it because the parents don't want to give little jimmy a $2000 iphone, or a $400-$500 PS5, and see a $300-350 Nintendo Switch as a bargain. With the current scalping on consoles, even an ipad/iphone is a bargain.

 

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