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My child keeps factory resetting his laptop to bypass parential controls

Artsswer
By Artsswer
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Go to solution Solved by Kilrah,

Add a password to the BIOS, he might be booting off a USB drive which allows him to wipe anything on the drive including the protections and just do a clean install regardless of the permissions he has in the OS. 

If the BIOS is set to only boot from the internal drive and locked with a password that's pretty hard to bypass.

 

 

If that's still not enough then yes, simply remove physical access.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Artsswer said:

Believe me, we've tried to. It's gone to the point where he pretends to cry and understand but doesn't try to change or make us understand why he still does this. We've tried every approach we could and the only conclusion I've come to is that he just doesn't want to study. When I asked him what he wants to be in the future, he says a 'therepist' which at this point, I don't mind - whatever he wants to do I guess. The issue is that he's likely gonna need a degree of some sort to qualify for that but he doesn't seem keen at all to put in the work it requires. I've tried figuring out what he wants to do, even if he wanted to become a content creator of some sort, I wouldn't object but at this rate I just don't see any path he could take. We can't support him forever, we've made that clear to him yet he isn't willing to show us he can do anything besides waste his time on games like Roblox and talk to online strangers.  

Honestly there may not be a lot you can do. It might take him some time and some upgrading down the road to figure out what he wants to do and how he is going to get there. If he at the very least can get his highschool diploma then they're at least setup to upgrade and pursue higher education in the future once they have it figured out. Just make sure they're working full time while they're figuring it out as they should learn about work ethics in the meantime.

 

Much like your kid I was incredibly gifted intellectually but refused to put any effort into school at all much to the dismay of my parents. I ended up making the top absent list for my school for skipping class almost everyday. The only class I ever got good grades in was my robotics courses because I was interested in it.

 

I absolutely hated highschool (secondary school) and it took me 6 years before I made the jump to post secondary for computer science. I had a career as an automotive technician before I started in my program because it payed bills while I figured it out but I got there eventually. Your

 

Your son will get where he wants to be eventually and there is only so much you can do. Sometimes people need to fail to figure it out as well. 

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Not to be rude but maybe the issue is you the parent and not the kid. You said 

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 but he spends all his time trying to remove it and succeeds in doing so every time

which is telling for whatever restrictions you apply in the future and his level of intelligence. I was exactly the same way as a kid with my parents and school and it only taught me to view authoritative figures as having underlying malicious intents. As well as how to be malicious myself with technology. I'm actually grateful though as it taught me a ton about technology at a very young age. Restrictions helps direct all focus and drive as usually the blockade is directly in the way of something you want extremely bad. So if there's a will there is always a way. 

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Remove the wifi card and destroy it (so he can't just sneak into where you keep it and re=install it).  Kensington lock it to something secure (so he can't take it to somewhere with an ethernet connection).

 

That will allow it to be used for word processing and other offline things.  Nothing else.  If he needs Zoom for school, too bad; he's burned that bridge.

 

And then there's always the nuclear option: relinquish guardianship to the state/courts.

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3 hours ago, Artsswer said:

I'll definitely do that. I was assuming he didn't have access to any USB drives but he could've borrowed one in secret from a friend or school. Hopefully he isn't able to reset his computer through other means or I might have to buy him a chromebook. 

Hate to tell you this, but chromebooks are probably easier. You can factory reset them at ant any time with three buttons, then boom reinstall the os, and use a crouton linux install

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Of course, we are all overthinking this, trying to apply a technological solution to a "societal" issue.

 

It's more simple than this: Have the laptop in your sight at all times, so you can monitor what he's doing on it at all times.

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6 minutes ago, Mel0nMan said:

There are a few options:

-BIOS password

-Factory reset your child

-Only let him use it in your sight

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I don't think the motherboard would approve of the second part

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Some routers can set internet times by MAC address.

Maybe you could even manually revoke the MAC addresses' access on the router each night?

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16 minutes ago, Caroline said:

BIOS password could work but it's easy to bypass with physical access.

Not anymore, BIOS passwords have been stored in flash for many years, i.e. not cleared with a BIOS reset. Need to use an external programmer. 

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Ok so this is kinda like a last resort solution. If nothing else works get him an absolute nugget of a computer. I am talking like single core atom processor from 2007 or something. Make the computer/laptop so terrible that they wouldnt want to reset it. Just make sure it works for only what he needs to do for school.
If that seems too extreme just get him an ipad with a keyboard and setup a child iCloud account for him and restrict alot of settings in screen time. Its practically impossible to break apple's child lock and screen time restrictions on an iPad or iPhone without access to a computer and using settings in screen time you can lock the device down so hard that he would not have a way past. DO NOT USE AN ANDROID TABLET FOR THIS. It is stupidly easy to factory reset those even without a computer.

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He needs a babysitter.

I'd sit right next to him and make sure he does his school work. Until it's done.

Then do whatever the hell he wants to do, he seems really smart and he won't have any problems getting a really good job later in life, probably start off making more than you do...don't want to get in the way of real learning.

 

Or enroll him in some type of gifted and talented remote learning, or even college level classes to stimulate him the right way.

 

For some, school is really boring. I remember all that useless shit I had to take, never did a thing for me later in life. French class? Shakespeare? History? Total waste of time. History class can be learned in a week or two of really good TV or movies. The rest dump for something else like finance, digital logic, machining and prototyping classes, or something like that I'd actually use later in life...

 

 

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11 hours ago, Artsswer said:

We only let him use his Windows laptop for school and basically, he has failing grades, doesn't do his school work, and spends all of his time talking to a foreign girl he met on Roblox which we do not approve of (could be a groomer, even if we ignore the failing grades).

 

Here's the general gist of what I've tried

  1. Whenever we try to block sites on the router or hosts files, he simply uses a VPN to bypass it.
  2. We previously let him use a MacBook and tried using its parential controls to prevent app installs and block websited but he managed to either reset the administrator password (I generated a random one with letters and symbols so there's no way he could've guessed it) or factory reset the computer.
  3. Just recently, we switched to a Windows laptop and used Microsoft's family safety features which worked great for a day, until he managed to factory reset that computer as well 

Note: I had taken careful precautions to make sure the administrator account's passwords were very complex, and he only has access to a standard account.

 

I'm beginning to lose all hope here as I've tried everything to limit or track his usage, but he spends all his time trying to remove it and succeeds in doing so every time and I don't know how. I assume he's using recovery mode and the command prompt to do it but how would I even prevent that type of bypass?

So All the practical stuff has been said already, bios password, reduce physical access, wifi access etc, and ofc just watching when in use. But as a parent of 5, I feel obligated for the kids sake to ask what specific problems you have. 

From what you've said, the main issues are wasting time instead of school and talking to a girl online. 

 

Starting with the latter, a girl being foreign isn't necessarily an issue, she could be a groomer or she could be a lovely young girl just playing roblox and found a dude she vibes with. A young girl in the same school can be just as bad an influence as you're expecting this girl to be. Have you seen any of the actual interactions between the two? Has something been said or done that implies this going in a bad direction? I'm assuming from the main audience of roblox we're talking elementary/preteen. I skimmed the posts above, maybe I missed the age, but there's nothing inherently wrong with having a foreign penpal at a young age. As long as the interactions are appropriate for the age, it could even be a good thing. 

 

Moving to the school and the laptop, You need to split these issues. On the one hand you need to address the grades. But on the other hand, don't assume the gaming or the girl is the issue. They could be symptoms of a larger issue. From a brief read I can't assume too much, but does he have ADHD and have an issue with motivation or focus maybe? Does he not feel challenged at school and feels gaming and social interaction are more interesting? I don't know the situation but I'm trying to think of anything besides assuming he's a wayward kid that just assumes he's too cool for school or some crap like that. I avoid that for their sake and yours, because if he truly just doesn't care at all and has no troubles making it harder for him to do well, then that falls back to how he was raised. A well raised kid should have some semblance of work ethic, responsibility, and caring. If we assume better and there's some roadblock, maybe he doesn't even realize, then you need to be in touch with all the teachers and the guidance counselor immediately. Reach out and ask how he is in class, does he try in class and then just come home and turn into a couch potato? Is he doing his hw and failing tests or passing tests but ignoring hw? There's a lot of questions to ask, and he might need to talk with a therapist. From a short post there are simply too many things I don't know, but you should be open for anything, adhd, bullying, social issues, etc. Don't focus on the bad grades themselves, focus on getting connected back to him on an emotional level where he feels comfortable telling you, or maybe someone else, why he's acting like this. 

 

The laptop, your actual question, is a bit easier. You need to remove it. Regardless of anything happening, adhd, bullying whatever it is, you need to make it clear to him, that wiping the computer to avoid your rules is NOT ok. That needs to be a hard boundary. Maybe you need to change the rules, be more open to his interests and activities, IDK that depends on the situation. But it needs to be made clear that his response is not ok. maybe he does it at home and you yell at him. Or maybe he tries and avoids a block on a school computer and gets seriously in trouble. You need to set a boundary that you can talk about the rules, you can work with him on grades, but it is completely unacceptable for him to blatantly disobey you and wipe the computer when he doesn't get his way. If he feels that's his only way to handle this situation, there's a problem. It might be with you, him, or both, but there is a problem already there. The kid has shown an aptitude for computers (or googling at least) along with some form of apathy towards school and rules. I don't wanna assume the worst, but you can't rule out the possibility that he gets in deeper trouble trying this crap somewhere else with a computer that isn't his.


Overall remove the computer, except during supervised homework or free times, for the moment. Communicate with the school and narrow down any developmental or social issues that might be impeding his performance. This girl on Roblox is the least of your worries if she's even a worry at all. Above all make sure throughout whatever process you go through, keep reinforcing he's not some broken thing out of line that you have to fix, he's your son and you love him no matter what. But you can't stand by and passively participate in his misbehavior by doing nothing. You love him too much to let him fail through all of school and end up a deadbeat doing manual labor for barely over minimum wage. He's obviously smart and has real potential. you just want to make sure he uses it and becomes the amazing kid you know he can be. 

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Apologies if the following is discombobulated and hard to understand because writing for other people is not my strong point.

 

All of the obvious technical stuff is covered already, so I won't bother you with that.

 

Speaking as a high school student that still tries to bypass things but still (usually) knows when to stop, remove the computer. I get that now in these times that using a computer is probably very necessary for school, if that's the case, I would sit behind your son (probably not literally right behind, maybe on the other side of the room) when he is using the computer, put the computer away. Make him do assignments on only paper if teachers will allow it (mine do, often have to scan it and upload it to the online classroom tool). Make him do schoolwork in a place where computer access is limited (for me, that could be the public library) and keep an eye on him. 
 

I am curious as to when this issue started/became prevalent. My grades/motivation to do assignments dropped off a lot when my district moved to online schooling in March 2020. Even when it was Zoom calls motivation was hard. I would say part of this reason was that I had very little contact with school peers. I'm not sure about your current situation or if your son is in in-person or online or hybrid schooling or some other arrangement, but maybe see if the school has clubs or similar things to offer? If there is, let him choose something that he is interested in and perhaps that will occupy some of his time and make some closer school friends. Now that my district is back to fully in-person school I have peers that actually know what situation and whatnot we are in, and I would say my grades and mental health have improved.

 

I can say that I rarely tell anyone about mental health problems or things like that partly because of the thoughts that were fed to me when I was younger, where mental health "didn't exist" and I quote, "therapist is bullshit". The other part is that I didn't trust anyone to not tell others. I'm just going to assume you don't foster those ideas, but lack of trust may be an issue here. It may be gradual, but family interaction is harder to get these days, play some board games or do something both of you at least somewhat enjoy. After some time he may tell you what he actually thinks.

 

Personally I spend a lot of time online with strangers (this forum, MMORPGs, etc), I feel that it has made me more mature and I have learnt more about the world. Of course, I know to exercise precaution, especially if someone approaches me randomly in private messages on a platform that does not have a "quick report" feature. I realise that your son may not have the insight to do so yet but I would still be more open to the Roblox "friend". Could be harmless, obviously have some skepticism.

 

Clearly he has lots of potential and skills, just is using it in the wrong way. I hope you can get him turned around before he gets to a point where stopping is even harder. 🙂

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I just found out. It is a laptop. Download his homework and the physically remove the WiFi card. 

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Disable the Ethernet and when he is allowed to play games, use a USB WiFi card

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Ive been meaning to actually answer this question

 

 

Speaking form expirence, my parents were never able to stop me if I wanted to use my computer.

A combination of me knowing my shit and them not, plus having a spare eathernet cable, I could change my mac adress, just plug into our main (unmonitored) router, both, or whatever. 
And with the power of hiendsite, I can also say from expirence that it may be a sign of him struggeling with mental health. I used to use my computer constantly, to distract myself from the the existance I hated. I was just (and am) to afraid to talk to my parents about it, so i just kinda bottles it up. 

Im in a much better place now, I found a great friend who I could talk to about that, but still just cant talk to my family about it. 
So the number one thing is to have him talk to the school social worker, if his school has one. They can work with the school guidance counciler to help with school, and maybe evaluate if he needs to talk to a tharapist

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15 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Ngl if your kid is literally wiping drives and bypassing every restriction you set, that is one smart or crafty kid

 

Dont mbs have boot menus where you can select which drive you can boot off? on my p5q its f8 and my g31 its f12, or does the bios ask for a password if you try pressing those keys (if bios is passworded)?

 

 

Btw dont just shove a ton of random characters and forget cause bios passwords are hard to reset and i mean it, cmos clear wont reset the password for all i know so you will have to do some bios flashing with a bios programmer lke ch341a, and the clip on that thing is annoying asf so you are prob gonna have to do some soldering

Some manufacturers allow you to disable the boot menu. Toshiba is one that comes to mind. Someone had the bright idea to do that on a machine we were trying to re-image. And knowing how difficult it could be to get a Toshiba to prompt for an Administrator password, that was a pain in the arse. 

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I am probably the least qualified person to answer this, as I am a teenager, but here is what I think. Children, including me, use computeers to find new possibilities. For example, I always found somputers interesting. I tried multiple computer languages, and now know python, javascript, java, and others at an age of 11. However, they never really were challenging or interesting eni=ough for me. I spent a year or two just aimlessly doing my work, watching gaming videos, until I found game development,which what really interested me. What kept me on track though since I was a child, was my parents always doing all my work with me upto 4th grade. And teaching me about cybersecurity. And although they did overdo it, I still take caution. Maybe try instead of stopping him, tell him, "You know what, I'll leave you to yourself" but warn him what could be the consequences of going to school, just don't stop him. My parents did something similar with me and it did help But if that doesn't work and he really doesn't want to do that, set a bios password, limit functionality, and use a basic screen recorder, for security. Hope I helped

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