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Can I clean CD-ROMs/DVDs with isopropylalcohol?

broccoli27

Hey everyone.

 

Can I clean CD-ROMs/DVDs with isopropylalcohol or will that damage the written data?
I want to clean some old PC games from my disgusting gamer grease etc.

 

Any experience? 🙂
I feel like its probably fine, but I wanted to check with you guys 🙂

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IIRC:  The data is written on an aluminum substrate that is embedded in the plastic you say is dirty.   The data will be safe, it's the plastic that gets scratched and blocks the laser from penetrating to read the aluminum.

 

Anything safe to clean plastics will work.  

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Just use soap and water. Isopropyl alcohol won't fog up the polycarbonate CDs, but it can cause brittleness if used often.

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Depending on how dirty they are, light pressure with a microfiber and alcohol could do it if you're careful. Like with paint, which i'm more familiar with, and dirt/grit stuck between the cloth and the disk is going to scratch the surface.

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5 minutes ago, Spindel said:

Sorry but I have to adress the elephant in the room…

 

…why are you still using optical media?

Does that matter? 

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18 minutes ago, Spindel said:

Sorry but I have to adress the elephant in the room…

 

…why are you still using optical media?

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4 hours ago, Spindel said:

Sorry but I have to adress the elephant in the room…

 

…why are you still using optical media?

just replaying some old pc games from childhood. nostalgia

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2 minutes ago, broccoli27 said:

just replaying some old pc games from childhood. nostalgia

There's something weirdly satisfying about inserting the CD/DVD, running the installer, putting in the CD key, listening to the drive spin aggressively as it copies the data and then tells you 'Installation Complete'.

It's logically worse than going 'Install' on Steam just once but gosh it's nice in a way too.

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5 hours ago, Spindel said:

Sorry but I have to adress the elephant in the room…

 

…why are you still using optical media?

Because not everyone is you

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2 hours ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

There's something weirdly satisfying about inserting the CD/DVD, running the installer, putting in the CD key, listening to the drive spin aggressively as it copies the data and then tells you 'Installation Complete'.

It's logically worse than going 'Install' on Steam just once but gosh it's nice in a way too.

I miss having to smack the tower a few times just for the tray to eject when it gets stuck. 

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7 hours ago, Spindel said:

Sorry but I have to adress the elephant in the room…

 

…why are you still using optical media?

I have a Blu-Ray DVD burner on my media editing rig, and it's not even a year old...
Why? Because... 😂🤣

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9 hours ago, Spindel said:

Sorry but I have to adress the elephant in the room…

 

…why are you still using optical media?

I myself have plenty of DVDs and Blu-Ray Discs I paid good money for. Why in Hell would I throw them away? Would you?

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9 hours ago, Spindel said:

Sorry but I have to adress the elephant in the room…

 

…why are you still using optical media?

It's superior to storing everything on a hard drive that can fail. Otherwise you can bypass the need to download gigs of data if you have it on a disc.

 

9 hours ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

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4 hours ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

There's something weirdly satisfying about inserting the CD/DVD, running the installer, putting in the CD key, listening to the drive spin aggressively as it copies the data and then tells you 'Installation Complete'.

It's logically worse than going 'Install' on Steam just once but gosh it's nice in a way too.

Installing from optical is still typically faster than installing from network. That's the biggest plus consoles have with blu-ray. At least they can house ~50gb of data that you won't need to slowly download and hit data caps.

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52 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

Installing from optical is still typically faster than installing from network. That's the biggest plus consoles have with blu-ray. At least they can house ~50gb of data that you won't need to slowly download and hit data caps.

Well, when you have gigabit fiber like I do, Steam downloads far faster than any optical drive could copy data. 🙂

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2 hours ago, JZStudios said:

It's superior to storing everything on a hard drive that can fail. Otherwise you can bypass the need to download gigs of data if you have it on a disc.

 

That was a thing I did not think of, that there are places that have download caps on broadband. That is just such an alien concept to me. 
 

But you are fooling yourself thinking optical disks are a more stable storage than harddrives. 

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5 hours ago, Spindel said:

That was a thing I did not think of, that there are places that have download caps on broadband. That is just such an alien concept to me. 
 

But you are fooling yourself thinking optical disks are a more stable storage than harddrives. 

I'm suprised no one came up a Archival version of a SSD. For Data and Knowledge Preservation. Don't need to be any faster then Current SATA SSDs, but last much longer unpowered. For a few Centuries at least.

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8 hours ago, Spindel said:

But you are fooling yourself thinking optical disks are a more stable storage than harddrives. 

Right so... Let's look at these discs I got here: PC Gamer discs going as far back as 1995, and a range of full copies of PC games running from about 1996-2005.  That's 16-25 years old.

...Show me your fully operational 25 year old hard drives.  All of them.

 

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8 hours ago, Spindel said:

But you are fooling yourself thinking optical disks are a more stable storage than harddrives. 

Look up MO disks...

 

Also I have several 30+ year old cds that still work fine, how many 30+ year old hard drives that still work do you have and at what capacities?

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6 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Look up MO disks...

 

Also I have several 30+ year old cds that still work fine, how many 30+ year old hard drives that still work do you have and at what capacities?

I always find it wild when people are like 'Oh CDs and DVDs rot in like 5-10 years' but then they can't explain the reality of DVD movie, CD music, CD/DVD console and PC CD/DVDROM game collectors who have *Great* success in purchasing old media, assuming it's not scratched, and finding it fully intact.  They have no first hand experience with the media, they ignore popular and well documented collecting scenes, but damn are they sure about themselves.  There are huge YouTube channels all about this stuff! It's not a hidden secret!

 

Most 'disc rot' issues are stories of LaserDisc, which is very real due to the way they were made, how early the tech was for optical media, and the sheer size of a spinning 12 inch disc.  There are also issues with recordable CD and DVD media but that's not the same as pressed media used for retail products.  And yes, recordable CD and DVD has longevity issues due to the organic dyes involved in making the data layer.  But even BDR media is immune to this due to using far more advanced and stable metal materials.

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33 minutes ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

I always find it wild when people are like 'Oh CDs and DVDs rot in like 5-10 years' but then they can't explain the reality of DVD movie, CD music, CD/DVD console and PC CD/DVDROM game collectors who have *Great* success in purchasing old media, assuming it's not scratched, and finding it fully intact.  They have no first hand experience with the media, they ignore popular and well documented collecting scenes, but damn are they sure about themselves.  There are huge YouTube channels all about this stuff! It's not a hidden secret!

 

Most 'disc rot' issues are stories of LaserDisc, which is very real due to the way they were made, how early the tech was for optical media, and the sheer size of a spinning 12 inch disc.  There are also issues with recordable CD and DVD media but that's not the same as pressed media used for retail products.  And yes, recordable CD and DVD has longevity issues due to the organic dyes involved in making the data layer.  But even BDR media is immune to this due to using far more advanced and stable metal materials.

All of this is true, but there's one issue with cds/dvds especially,  and that's that the marketing back then suggested cds are basically near indestructible,  which led to a lot of people just not caring at all, cds on the floor without case, used as coasters , cases generally seen as 'overrated' etc, i knew lots of people who had lots of cds, but almost none of them worked because they literally destroyed them , those are the people who now embrace streaming and download services...

 

Also, in hindsight,  mini discs should have been pushed more (which are actually magneto optical), best medium,  small, and actually really near indestructible while still sounding great .

 

Japan did embrace it, rest of the world not so much due to music companies sabotaging the tech (before recordable  cds were a thing)

 

 

 

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On 9/23/2021 at 5:48 PM, broccoli27 said:

Can I clean CD-ROMs/DVDs with isopropylalcohol

OT: no. Rinse with warm water, let it dry in air, use a damp microfiber cloth to clean / dry it gently if necessary,  you can use mild soap, i wouldn't tho, unless absolutely necessary. 

Also using the cloth from the mid of the disc towards the outside in straight lines, no circling / waving around due to how the data is structured,  straight lines from inner to outer will be the least intrusive method. 

 

 

 

Iso will probably  dry out the layer, not good.

 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

Well, when you have gigabit fiber like I do, Steam downloads far faster than any optical drive could copy data. 🙂

How nice for you.

 

12 hours ago, Spindel said:

That was a thing I did not think of, that there are places that have download caps on broadband. That is just such an alien concept to me. 
 

But you are fooling yourself thinking optical disks are a more stable storage than harddrives. 

We don't have a cap, but if you exceed your limit you're charged. And our internet isn't cheap. Even being moderately fast it's still faster installing from disc than downloading. People that are in the midwest especially have shit internet.

Really? I've had hard drives go bad, meanwhile our DVD's from 2000 (Including Shrek which we watched every night for at least a year) still functions perfectly. It's not hard to not fuck up your discs.

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3 hours ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

I always find it wild when people are like 'Oh CDs and DVDs rot in like 5-10 years' but then they can't explain the reality of DVD movie, CD music, CD/DVD console and PC CD/DVDROM game collectors who have *Great* success in purchasing old media, assuming it's not scratched, and finding it fully intact.  They have no first hand experience with the media, they ignore popular and well documented collecting scenes, but damn are they sure about themselves.  There are huge YouTube channels all about this stuff! It's not a hidden secret!

 

Most 'disc rot' issues are stories of LaserDisc, which is very real due to the way they were made, how early the tech was for optical media, and the sheer size of a spinning 12 inch disc.  There are also issues with recordable CD and DVD media but that's not the same as pressed media used for retail products.  And yes, recordable CD and DVD has longevity issues due to the organic dyes involved in making the data layer.  But even BDR media is immune to this due to using far more advanced and stable metal materials.

I've never heard anyone say that. I don't know why they would, it makes no sense. It's a physical digital media read by a laser, not a vinyl record getting scratched by a needle. They must've just been scratching the shit out of their discs or something.

 

3 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

OT: no. Rinse with warm water, let it dry in air, use a damp microfiber cloth to clean / dry it gently if necessary,  you can use mild soap, i wouldn't tho, unless absolutely necessary. 

Also using the cloth from the mid of the disc towards the outside in straight lines, no circling / waving around due to how the data is structured,  straight lines from inner to outer will be the least intrusive method.

It's a polymer plastic, dish soap won't hurt it. I've been using soap for years to clean discs and glasses and never had a problem with it.

Pretty sure CDs still read in a spiral like vinyl. Maybe concentric circles. I just get the water stream to laminar flow and run it through sideways, usually the tension will keep it together, rinse it off, and leave no water behind. Microfiber cloths have always left smudges.

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