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Am i going to notice any difference in game with a cas latency of 22 over 16 for this ram  ? https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820232632

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What's the rest of the system? 22 is pretty slow...

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34 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

RAM latency matters most for gaming in CPU bound scenarios. What CPU and GPU do you have? And what kinds of games do you play?

Is it a massive difference ? Meaning will the cas latency of 22 on that ram cause problems ? I play everything 3080 mobile and 10700k Clevo 

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53 minutes ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

What's the rest of the system? 22 is pretty slow...

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I'd go with 16. If you had a lower-end system the 22 wouldn't have made much difference but for a higher end system like yours it will matter more. To be clear though, it still won't make a massive difference, but to me the tighter timings would be worth it, and so that's what I recommend you do.

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2 hours ago, SixtyfpsGaming said:

Is it a massive difference ? Meaning will the cas latency of 22 on that ram cause problems ? I play everything 3080 mobile and 10700k Clevo 

The difference isn't massive, no. Slower RAM usually only impacts performance by single-digit percentage points. Considering how large of a difference there is between 22 and 16, maybe you could see a 10-15% boost in CPU bound games. That's probably a best case scenario from improved timings alone. Since you have a 3080 mobile, there is a chance you could be CPU bound in some games, so it wouldn't be a pointless upgrade.

 

If you want to know more about how RAM configuration can impact performance, take a look at this Hardware Unboxed video. It is about Ryzen 5000 series, but he explains at the beginning that the same thing applies to Intel 10th gen.

 

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1 hour ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

I'd go with 16. If you had a lower-end system the 22 wouldn't have made much difference but for a higher end system like yours it will matter more. To be clear though, it still won't make a massive difference, but to me the tighter timings would be worth it, and so that's what I recommend you do.

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On 9/15/2021 at 5:56 PM, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

I'd go with 16. If you had a lower-end system the 22 wouldn't have made much difference but for a higher end system like yours it will matter more. To be clear though, it still won't make a massive difference, but to me the tighter timings would be worth it, and so that's what I recommend you do.

Let me ask you this. It seems the Gskill im looking at https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820232632?quicklink=true vs what i have https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820374023. THe one with the cas latency of 22 was made last year vs the one that was 16 was made back in 2017 . Why is that ? 

 

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On 9/18/2021 at 9:48 AM, SixtyfpsGaming said:

Let me ask you this. It seems the Gskill im looking at https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820232632?quicklink=true vs what i have https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820374023. THe one with the cas latency of 22 was made last year vs the one that was 16 was made back in 2017 . Why is that ? 

 

It doesn't matter. Not sure how to answer your question, so I'll start by asking one. Where are you getting that info?

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On 9/15/2021 at 1:04 PM, SixtyfpsGaming said:

 

Am i going to notice any difference in game with a cas latency of 22 over 16 for this ram  ? https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820232632

It's not just the Cas Latency.... There's more timings than that!!

 

So really it's

16-18-18-43

VS
22-22-22-52 

(To put this into perspective beyond the Cas latency question)

 

The difference would actually be quite noticeable if you had both sets and where to actually do some comparisons.

 

In example, just simple calculation such as Pi, you would probably see seconds worth of time difference to run the same calculation. Now take that effect and put it on the entire system.

 

So beyond anything else, I would get the 16-18-18-43 kit for a couple of reasons. One, it's just a much better set of ICs obviously judging by the entire timings set, and would likely tweak and OC better over-all. 

 

But the price difference is 40 bucks easy, I can see it hard to buy it because over 100 bucks for 16-18-18-43. The question is do you want to pay for that performance or not. I can tell you right now, I'd never touch 22-22-22-52 even for 60 bucks, even if I was building for someone else on a budget. I'd go super cheap on their fans and case before the critical hardware.

 

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2 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

It's not just the Cas Latency.... There's more timings than that!!

 

So really it's

16-18-18-43

VS
22-22-22-52 

(To put this into perspective beyond the Cas latency question)

 

The difference would actually be quite noticeable if you had both sets and where to actually do some comparisons.

 

In example, just simple calculation such as Pi, you would probably see seconds worth of time difference to run the same calculation. Now take that effect and put it on the entire system.

 

So beyond anything else, I would get the 16-18-18-43 kit for a couple of reasons. One, it's just a much better set of ICs obviously judging by the entire timings set, and would likely tweak and OC better over-all. 

 

But the price difference is 40 bucks easy, I can see it hard to buy it because over 100 bucks for 16-18-18-43. The question is do you want to pay for that performance or not. I can tell you right now, I'd never touch 22-22-22-52 even for 60 bucks, even if I was building for someone else on a budget. I'd go super cheap on their fans and case before the critical hardware.

 

Muh 2 cents, take it as you wish.

Unfortunatly FOr this laptop as of right now can not utilize thats 16 cas  Gskill becaue there is no option in the bios. When prema releases there new bios for X170 KM-G then hopefully i will have that option. THis is the ram the laptop shipped with with the cas latency 22 so i didnt have much choice in the matter. 

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2 hours ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

It doesn't matter. Not sure how to answer your question, so I'll start by asking one. Where are you getting that info?

When the ram came out was on the specs page on each of the pages i posted. 

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4 minutes ago, SixtyfpsGaming said:

Unfortunatly FOr this laptop as of right now can not utilize thats 16 cas  Gskill becaue there is no option in the bios. When prema releases there new bios for X170 KM-G then hopefully i will have that option. THis is the ram the laptop shipped with with the cas latency 22 so i didnt have much choice in the matter. 

The board won't default memory that is Cas 16 up to 22. When you enable XMP, it uses (or supposed to use) the timing set that comes with that memory kit. So no, your board won't make CL 16 magically run CL 22 because that's what your old memory is.....

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On 9/18/2021 at 7:48 AM, SixtyfpsGaming said:

Let me ask you this. It seems the Gskill im looking at https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820232632?quicklink=true vs what i have https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820374023. THe one with the cas latency of 22 was made last year vs the one that was 16 was made back in 2017 . Why is that ? 

 

If ultimately you're asking if you should replace or return your current sticks for the lower latency versions... 

 

Let me answer that by asking a question.

 

Do you like spending money on things that you won't see an appreciable difference with? 

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30 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

The board won't default memory that is Cas 16 up to 22. When you enable XMP, it uses (or supposed to use) the timing set that comes with that memory kit. So no, your board won't make CL 16 magically run CL 22 because that's what your old memory is.....

Thats pretty obvious. The board will at least run the default timings correct ? As of right now there is no XMP profile but in the future this is going to be a bios update. 

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28 minutes ago, MadGoatHaz said:

If ultimately you're asking if you should replace or return your current sticks for the lower latency versions... 

 

Let me answer that by asking a question.

 

Do you like spending money on things that you won't see an appreciable difference with? 

How do you know this ? 

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42 minutes ago, SixtyfpsGaming said:

How do you know this ? 

I'm saying it won't make much (if at all) of a difference. Therefore it would be extra money spent for nearly no gain. 

 

Many people have already said this in response to your original question. @YoungBladeprovided a great video that would help explain as well. 

 

Just for good measure, here's another:

 

 

Virtually no difference. Don't worry about changing the ram is what we're saying. You'd be better off spending the extra $50 toward a nice wireless mouse or something. 

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1 hour ago, SixtyfpsGaming said:

Thats pretty obvious. The board will at least run the default timings correct ? As of right now there is no XMP profile but in the future this is going to be a bios update. 

Yes, it would run the default timings.

 

Might as well wait for a bios update before making a purchase.

 

It's not about massive difference in just a single game. Although the concern there has some justification.... the real goal is to increase your low FPSs where you might be interested vs how high you can reach the high FPSs... if you know what I mean. So over all system performance would be better. 

 

Given numbers?? Any one can guess. 1, 2 ,3 percent depending how you take the measurement comparisons. 

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14 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Yes, it would run the default timings.

 

Might as well wait for a bios update before making a purchase.

 

It's not about massive difference in just a single game. Although the concern there has some justification.... the real goal is to increase your low FPSs where you might be interested vs how high you can reach the high FPSs... if you know what I mean. So over all system performance would be better. 

 

Given numbers?? Any one can guess. 1, 2 ,3 percent depending how you take the measurement comparisons. 

Im not looking for fps improvement but overall smoother FPS and less hitches and for overall smoothness. I change my 9900k 2080ti system to run in its default ram settings which normally is 3200 16CL default is 2400 17CL. I can tell the game ran with more lag and less smootheness. I dont know if running with less CL will give me that but for the sake of science why not 

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7 minutes ago, SixtyfpsGaming said:

Im not looking for fps improvement but overall smoother FPS and less hitches and for overall smoothness. I change my 9900k 2080ti system to run in its default ram settings which normally is 3200 16CL default is 2400 17CL. I can tell the game ran with more lag and less smootheness. I dont know if running with less CL will give me that but for the sake of science why not 

Performance doesn't come from 22-22-22-52 timings, that much I can tell you without links or proof of any kind then! haha!

 

With the right memory, you should be about 4000mhz with that 9900K CL 16 in my humble opinion. Of course the higher end kits cost more. It is diminishing returns. ALL overclocking is diminishing returns. It just depends on your budget limitations for the hardware you get. 

 

I have an 8700K, Maximus X Hero and G.Skill Trident Z 4267mhz B-Die kit. I have no issues with performance, that much is certain XD. You shouldn't either with that 9900K. 

 

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21 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Performance doesn't come from 22-22-22-52 timings, that much I can tell you without links or proof of any kind then! haha!

 

With the right memory, you should be about 4000mhz with that 9900K CL 16 in my humble opinion. Of course the higher end kits cost more. It is diminishing returns. ALL overclocking is diminishing returns. It just depends on your budget limitations for the hardware you get. 

 

I have an 8700K, Maximus X Hero and G.Skill Trident Z 4267mhz B-Die kit. I have no issues with performance, that much is certain XD. You shouldn't either with that 9900K. 

 

I didnt want to spend too much on my 9900k 3200 16 CL is fine for me As for my laptop i would like smoother experience playing Battlefield which i know is ram dependant 

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15 hours ago, SixtyfpsGaming said:

When the ram came out was on the specs page on each of the pages i posted. 

Okay, then it doesn't matter. The products were just put on Newegg at different times. One may be a newer SKU, but that doesn't matter. Newer SKU does not mean better, or worse. It may not even mean that the internal parts are newer designs, since old SKUs are updated with new parts all the time. So, it literally means nothing.

BabyBlu (Primary Rig): 

  • CPU: Intel Core i9 9900K @ up to 5.3Ghz, 5.0Ghz all-core
  • Motherboard: Asus Maximus XI Hero
  • RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4x8GB DDR4-3200 @ 4000Mhz 16-18-18-34
  • GPU: MSI RTX 2080 Sea Hawk EK X, 2070Mhz core, 8000Mhz mem
  • Case: Phanteks Evolv X
  • Storage: XPG SX8200 Pro 2TB NVME, 3x ADATA Ultimate SU800 1TB (RAID 0), Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB NVME
  • PSU: Corsair HX1000i
  • Display: MSI MPG341CQR 34" 3440x1440 200Hz(OC) Freesync, Dell S2417DG 24" 2560x1440 165Hz Gsync
  • Cooling: Custom water loop (CPU & GPU), Radiators: 1x140mm(Back), 1x280mm(Top), 1x420mm(Front)
  • Keyboard: Corsair Strafe RGB (Cherry MX Brown)
  • Mouse: MasterMouse MM710
  • Headset: Corsair Void Pro RGB
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro

Roxanne (Wife Build):

  • CPU: Intel Core i7 4790K @ Per Core 5.0Ghz - 5.0Ghz - 4.9Ghz - 4.8Ghz, Cache @ 4.6Ghz, relidded with LM TIM
  • Motherboard: Asus Z97A
  • RAM: G.Skill Sniper 4x8GB DDR3-2400 @ 10-12-12-24
  • GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with LM TIM
  • Case: Corsair Vengeance C70, With Custom Side-Panel Window
  • Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB, Samsung 860 EVO 1TB, Silicon Power A80 1TB NVME
  • PSU: Corsair AX760
  • Display: Samsung C27JG56 27" 2560x1440 144Hz Freesync
  • Cooling: Corsair H115i RGB
  • Keyboard: GMMK TKL(Kailh Box White)
  • Mouse: Glorious Model O-
  • Headset: SteelSeries Arctis 7
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro

BlackBox (HTPC):

  • CPU: Intel Pentium G4600 (Kaby Lake)
  • Motherboard: Asus H110T/CSM Thin Mini-ITX
  • RAM: G.Skill 1x8GB DDR4-2400 SO-DIMM CL16
  • GPU: HD 630
  • Case: Akasa Euler Fanless Solid Aluminum THIN Mini ITX Case (passively cooled)
  • Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
  • PSU: External 120W Power Adaptor
  • Display: 4K TV
  • Cooling: Passively cooled by the Akasa case. No moving parts!
  • Keyboard/Mouse: Handheld QWERTY keyboard and trackpad.
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro, Kodi autostarts on boot

NAS:

  • Synology DS216J
  • 2x8TB WD Red NAS HDDs in RAID 1. 8TB usable space
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9 hours ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

Okay, then it doesn't matter. The products were just put on Newegg at different times. One may be a newer SKU, but that doesn't matter. Newer SKU does not mean better, or worse. It may not even mean that the internal parts are newer designs, since old SKUs are updated with new parts all the time. So, it literally means nothing.

That makes sense considering the new info i got regarding ram with high density vs low density.  I called Gskill today bascially they said the batch of ram could be high or low density with the same specs. I suspect thats what my issue is. I just order a pair of crucial 3200 single rank based on this youtubers suggestion 

 

MY RIG #1
I9 9900k Hyper Evo Black 

2080 ti Strix Asus Maximus XI Hero 

32gb Hyper X Predator  

Lian Li Lancool2 

500 gb Samsung NVME 

Asus Asus Rog 850 Thor

Alienware AW3420DW 

 

RIG #2 

EVOC  x1702I (Clevo X170KM-G )

I7 10700k 

3080 16gb stock 

500 gb NVME

16gb Kingston Fury Impact 3200hz

1080p IPS 300hz GSYNC

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