why do xeons degrade in value so quickly compared to consumer chips?

[adarw]

what the heck? like why do fourth gen i7 go for like 120 when xeons become like 20 bucks even tho in some cases its better then the i7? im not saying i want xeons for more but why?

[BondiBlue]

Servers are typically upgraded on a set cycle (in a lot of cases), so parts are decommissioned often.

[LIGISTX]

5 minutes ago, adarw said:

what the heck? like why do fourth gen i7 go for like 120 when xeons become like 20 bucks even tho in some cases its better then the i7? im not saying i want xeons for more but why?

Whoever is charging 120 bucks for a 4770k is way over charging…. I have sold a 4770k, with RAM and mobo for 250 bucks….. 4 years ago. Today if I had that for sale I’d look for 150 for all of it.

 

But Xeon’s end up for cheap because normal consumers are not looking for them so demand is less, and large server liquidators are trying to unload them, so it’s a large supply from folks selling many of them. 

[adarw]

2 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

Whoever is charging 120 bucks for a 4770k is way over charging…. I have sold a 4770k, with RAM and mobo for 250 bucks….. 4 years ago. Today if I had that for sale I’d look for 150 for all of it.

 

But Xeon’s end up for cheap because normal consumers are not looking for them so demand is less, and large server liquidators are trying to unload them, so it’s a large supply from folks selling many of them. 

thanks

[Pasi123]

The Xeons are from decommissioned servers and workstations so there is a lot of them.

Usually the i7's are expensive because they are the best CPUs for the socket and many people don't know there is Xeon variants of the same CPU for cheaper. i7 K variants will always be more expensive because they are unlocked and there are less of them than the locked non-K variants or Xeons.

 

Xeons for mainstream platforms usually aren't as cheap as similar ones for HEDT because the mainstream sockets are only used in low end single socket workstations and servers while the HEDT sockets are also used in dual socket systems.

And low core count Xeons for HEDT platforms are dirt cheap because there is way better CPUs available for the platform. No one wants a 4c/8t CPU on X58, X79, X99 or X299

But the high core count Xeons with high clockspeed aren't anywhere near as cheap

[mariushm]

They're also power hungry compared to more modern processors... you save money on cpu but you increase your power bill for the next 2-3 years or however long you use it so you're just shifting the money somewhere else... 

 

[Mark Kaine]

Oh thats good to know, i might get one of those babies for my next rig…

 

 

Which Xeon is like a 5600x or better?

 

(i know this sounds funny but i want an intel in my next rig, and the regular i-toasters are a tad bit overpriced  in my opinion)

 

 

Something like this maybe?

 

 

doesnt seem to make sense, intel says 540 bux chip, ebay says 1400 bux… lol.

 

or are the W chips better?

 

honestly, i just want a 10 series 20 core level chip for like 300, that would be a good deal. : D 

 

[LinusTech]

Xeons can also be harder to find affordable boards for with consumer-oriented features.

[BondiBlue]

53 minutes ago, Pasi123 said:

And low core count Xeons for HEDT platforms are dirt cheap because there is way better CPUs available for the platform. No one wants a 4c/8t CPU on X58, X79, X99 or X299

But the high core count Xeons with high clockspeed aren't anywhere near as cheap

Definitely. I only paid $25 for a 6 core Xeon for my Precision T3500, but it's not a very fast chip. The X5690 is quite a bit more. 

 

7 minutes ago, LinusTech said:

Xeons can also be harder to find affordable boards for with consumer-oriented features.

They make sense when upgrading older workstations, but consumer features can definitely be lacking on some Xeon boards. I usually don't even consider Xeons for anything other than used workstations. 

[Sarra]

1 hour ago, LIGISTX said:

Whoever is charging 120 bucks for a 4770k is way over charging….

I bought a Xeon E3 1280V3 4 years ago for $100. It's currently chugging away in my old H97 board, with 32GB of RAM and a GTX 980. It replaced an i5 4440. It extended the life time of that machine for 2-3 years, though it's now been relegated to server duties (and mining when it's winter). I don't think it'll survive Windows 10's EOL date, but it'll probably run up to that point.

 

Intel moving away from having their server/workstation CPU's on the same socket as the consumer stuff (like how I pulled an i5 out and replaced it with a Xeon) was actually a reason I switched away from Intel. That, and the 9th gen and 10th gen just... Sucked butt compared to the Ryzen 3000 series.