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So was this a whole re-shoot to focus on the 760 instead of the 750ti (which the Floatplane viewers pointed out isn't actually losing support yet?)

 

Edit: should have checked FP for the answer first. The answer is yes, it's a reshoot. I'm not losing my mind. Funny to see parts of the script get minimally rewritten, even if the points don't make as much sense. "There are more 750ti cards out there than 3080s!" Is certainly stronger than "there aren't quite as many 760s as there are 3090s!"

 

Must have been a painful process all around, but I'm glad it was caught and fixed. If only all youtubers put in the effort to correct their misinformation...

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36 minutes ago, AnomalyDesign said:

"There are more 750ti cards out there than 3080s!" Is certainly stronger than "there aren't quite as many 760s as there are 3090s!"

Yeah...

 

Admittedly, the raw numbers argument is certainly stronger than listing comparative numbers, though. Makes me wish that Steam HW Survey listed survey turnout as well, so we can get concrete, absolute numbers instead of relative ones. Hell, even pointing out how many people run 700 series (sans 750 Ti) cards combined would've made a pretty sound argument in my eyes - also puts into perspective how many people are actually in the dropped-driver-support situation.

It's entirely possible that I misinterpreted/misread your topic and/or question. This happens more often than I care to admit. Apologies in advance.

 

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As someone rocking a pair of GTX660 cards myself, well the cards are useful. Though, I don't really play games....

And honestly been looking for an upgrade to something less power hungry. (Since power isn't free and it is currently turning the room into a toaster. Though, I run the system 24/7, so would be interesting to know idle power consumption of various cards, since no one seems to talk about that...)

 

And I personally don't think it is bad of nVidia to drop game ready drivers at some point. As long as they keep around basic drivers for at least making it work for a fair bit longer. (Though, one can still download drivers for cards that haven't been in common use during the last 10 years, so this isn't a major problem to be fair.)

 

In my opinion, the 600 and 700 series is frankly not worth buying in most cases.

Even the 900 series is starting to get old.

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I'm still rocking with the 680.

But, i'm confused. Does this mean my card wont be working any more? or is it just the "game ready" part of it dissappearing?

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35 minutes ago, Sniccers said:

I'm still rocking with the 680.

But, i'm confused. Does this mean my card wont be working any more? or is it just the "game ready" part of it dissappearing?

It just means that new versions of drivers are being discontinued.  So you can't update the drivers past a certain point, as no newer version supports the card.  The GPU will still work with the old drivers.

 

This is fine.  I have a Radeon HD 6850 in my dual boot WinXP/Win10 machine, this means using Win10 drivers from 7/29/2015 but it's fine. 🙂  I have a Radeon R9 390X in another machine, drivers recently discontinued, it'll still run on those drivers.

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1 hour ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

It just means that new versions of drivers are being discontinued.  So you can't update the drivers past a certain point, as no newer version supports the card.  The GPU will still work with the old drivers.

 

This is fine.  I have a Radeon HD 6850 in my dual boot WinXP/Win10 machine, this means using Win10 drivers from 7/29/2015 but it's fine. 🙂  I have a Radeon R9 390X in another machine, drivers recently discontinued, it'll still run on those drivers.

Ah ok, Thank you! Also, i am jealous of you as you actually have win10 xD

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Even a 3GB 1060 would be an upgrade from the 780ti..to give an idea of how outdated they are...but checking ebay, it seems like there's clowns selling the 3GB 1060 as "mining cards"...even Nicehash just calculates a profit of Just $17/month with them (so even at an understandable $60, it would take 4 months to ROI, nevermind the stupid $300).   

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Is there any reason that AMD's R9 200 Series weren't mentioned in this video? AMD recently dropped support for these cards, however, they still have a lot to offer. The R9 290x is a direct competitor to the 780Ti, but sports 4gb VRAM and a 512 bit memory bus.

 

I recently sold my GTX 1080 (since prices are inflated) and rolled back to my 290x. So far so good (at 1080p). I would argue the 780Ti is fairly disappointing given the results in this video, so I'd like to see it up against it's competition.

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Hopefully my 2080S isnt garbage.. and my 3080ti Suprim X wont be either in the future.

 

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I still remember playing on my old Radeon 7700 HD, might buy back that card again just to relive old memories..

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 @LinusTech if you don't need your Kepler stock I'm open to take them... /s

 

And now some facts and opinions on Kepler.

1. 600-series and 700-series are not purely Kepler. Some GT 600 cards are Fermi and the GTX 750 Ti is Maxwell.

 

2. IMO, the 760 is not middle-of-the-road, but a bit lower than the middle, maybe in the left lane. 770 is more middle-of-the-road to me because:
750, 760, 770, 780, 780 Ti. The GT cards are their own class in a generation, and no I did not mention the 750 Ti because it's Maxwell, not Kepler. I owned one.

 

3. The Titan Black is the 780 Ti 6GB with a tiny boost to clockspeeds, but under a Titan name so it costs more. Other than the name, VRAM amount, and cost (along with a ~25 MHz clockspeed difference), it's identical to the 780 Ti - same CUDA core count, same ROPs, same TMUs, same FE cooler, same GK110B die with DX12 11_1 support.

 

4. The GTX 690 is still capable today for lower-end titles. Sure, it's about to lose driver support. Sure, it has 2GB of VRAM. But it runs Battlefield 4 and Relics of the Past at 1080p fine, easily hitting the 30 FPS cap that Cemu gives it as long as you have a capable CPU.

 

5. They do NOT fully support DirectX 12, with most cards supporting DX12 11_0, or the minimum spec, and the 3 retail cards with a GK110B die (780 Ti, Titan Black, Titan Z) supporting DX12 11_1.

 

6. Dissecting Linus' statement about "yes, this is good that they're discontinuing Kepler".

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So yeah. They can still game. Which means what then? Shouldn't we be outraged that NVidia's dropping Game Ready Driver support for these?

Yes. When NVidia discontinued Fermi in 2018 it was super easy to get a 1050 Ti for $150 or so which demolished all the mid-range Fermi cards. But now 1050 Ti's are $300+ and GT 1030's are $200+.

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Well not quite we got to remember, NVidia has supported cards like the 700-series for the better part of eight years which in a world where android phone manufacturers will drop support in as little as two years makes NVidia look like absolute rock stars.

They may look like that but it's because of money. Remember, every corporation everywhere wants to make money. That's their goal. And since GPU prices are super high, they figured "hey we can make more money because people will upgrade!", and they're probably right.

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I mean yeah a graphics driver is likely less complicated than an entire operating system, but I still say they're doing pretty darn good and there are some real world actual reasons for them to drop support for these cards. We already saw a couple of them in the form of the VRAM limitations; I mean that's just the hardware on the card they just can't keep up and API limitations where modern games are simply not going to be able to run on them.

You shouldn't be trying to run a game that requires DX12 12_0 or 4GB minimum anyway; it most likely won't run well because it's designed for more power and VRAM. Remember, these are older cards and you shouldn't be trying to run Cyberpunk 2077 on them.

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Also, there are some reasons that it might not be practical to continue to run these cards. The 780 Ti for example draws about 250W which doesn't sound like a ton compared to something like an RTX 3090 at 350W, but you should also consider that a much newer GTX 1060 which is roughly performance-comparable and actually even faster in some cases draws less than half that amount of power. At the moment, GTX 1060 6GB cards are maybe a bit price inflated due to crypto mining but you can get a GTX 1060 3GB card for around 180 to 200 USD, which is 20-50 USD more than a 780 Ti. But when you consider the power savings, it could actually be cheaper in the long run. For example, let's say you play for two hours a day, five days a week and you pay ~22  ¢/kWh because you live in, let's say Los Angeles over the span of a year, a GTX 1060 would save you around $14 in power and that could be even more if you game more often or if you pay more for your power. $14 doesn't sound like a lot but give it three years and you have basically paid the difference.

This I don't disagree with; it's a valid point.

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And the entire time you've had Game Ready Drivers along with a host of other benefits. 10-series cards have HDMI 2.0, which means they can do 4K60 over HDMI, they've got DisplayPort 1.4, which can handle up to 4K144, they've got support for FreeSync, which the 700-series does support G-Sync but does not support FreeSync.

If you're using a 1060 though (as was implicated before) you're not running 4K60 or 4K144. You're running 1080p60-1080p144 depending on the game. Kepler cards can also do 4K60 over DisplayPort 1.2 and 4K30 over HDMI 1.4, which also supports 1440p75 and 1080p120.

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Not to mention that while the 700-series also has NVENC the 10 series has a more feature-rich NVENC support list with H.265, better color and higher resolution. So if you're just using your graphics card to encode a live stream, it probably won't make a difference but if you're into editing your videos after the fact or creating HDR or high-resolution content that might matter to you.

Why would you buy a Kepler card for video editing/creating anyway? They're not high-performance cards and if you're going to do it professionally don't buy a Kepler card. Time is money there.

 

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8 hours ago, AnomalyDesign said:

So was this a whole re-shoot to focus on the 760 instead of the 750ti (which the Floatplane viewers pointed out isn't actually losing support yet?)

 

Edit: should have checked FP for the answer first. The answer is yes, it's a reshoot. I'm not losing my mind. Funny to see parts of the script get minimally rewritten, even if the points don't make as much sense. "There are more 750ti cards out there than 3080s!" Is certainly stronger than "there aren't quite as many 760s as there are 3090s!"

 

Must have been a painful process all around, but I'm glad it was caught and fixed. If only all youtubers put in the effort to correct their misinformation...

Wait a minute. They forgot the 750 ti is Maxwell? That's hilarious. Shows you how much attention LTT has gotten used to paying to budget cards.

 

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Is there any reason that AMD's R9 200 Series weren't mentioned in this video? AMD recently dropped support for these cards, however, they still have a lot to offer. The R9 290x is a direct competitor to the 780Ti, but sports 4gb VRAM and a 512 bit memory bus.

LTT tends to forget AMD cards exist.

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the 8-pin requirement on most of those cards mentioned in the video can be bypassed with just a jumper wire and some soldering. 
it's a $70 card so who cares haha
I run a 770 as an e-gpu card and I just jumpered the two extra pins to another ground pin, run the whole card on a single 6 pin. 

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29 minutes ago, OhYou_ said:

the 8-pin requirement on most of those cards mentioned in the video can be bypassed with just a jumper wire and some soldering. 
it's a $70 card so who cares haha
I run a 770 as an e-gpu card and I just jumpered the two extra pins to another ground pin, run the whole card on a single 6 pin. 

That's extremely stupid. My GTX 650 Ti BOOST (134W TDP) draws 110W when under heavy load. The GTX 770 is a 230W TDP card and can easily pass the 150W limit of a 6-pin and a PCIe slot.

If your PSU doesn't have the cables you need, get a better PSU.

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LTT tends to forget AMD cards exist.

That's super annoying tbh. AMD also pulled a driver discontinuation move with arguably more useful cards. Although I'm not too worried. The OSS driver in Linux still supports them. 😄

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The LTT clickbait titles generally mean that i come here to find out what the vids actually about before i even consider watching.

I am actually tired of their titles and thumbnails now, and i kinda find the content lacking these days too :S

 

Maybe im just getting old.

 

Back to topic...just because NV wont update drivers for these products doesn't mean they won't work anymore.

 

Does anyone know if the standard windows drivers of these things these days are just as good as the NV ones, considering that NV probably hasn't even done anything specific in their drivers to support them in years anyway?

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Does anyone know if the standard windows drivers of these things these days are just as good as the NV ones,

The Microsoft Basic Driver will just give you serious performance issues and compatibility issues.

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17 hours ago, BigDamn said:

Is there any reason that AMD's R9 200 Series weren't mentioned in this video? AMD recently dropped support for these cards, however, they still have a lot to offer. The R9 290x is a direct competitor to the 780Ti, but sports 4gb VRAM and a 512 bit memory bus.

 

I recently sold my GTX 1080 (since prices are inflated) and rolled back to my 290x. So far so good (at 1080p). I would argue the 780Ti is fairly disappointing given the results in this video, so I'd like to see it up against it's competition.

Mmmhmm, it's a bit of a shame that my 390X won't get new drivers.  It's an 8GB card and, while lacking ray tracing, HEVC hardware ecoding, or HDMI 2.0, it's got enough brute force raw power to give a Xbox One X (Not Series X) a run for it's money.

 

Thankfully it won't stop working any time soon either, it just won't get driver updates.

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1 hour ago, Vishera said:

The Microsoft Basic Driver will just give you serious performance issues and compatibility issues.

do we know that this is actually the case these days?

the cards have been around for ages... i imagine that it can't actually be that bad...

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You can, technically, continue making your 700-series GPU compatible with newer games, by using modded drivers - they can be found at the link below. We have had to since our 880M is no longer supported...
 
However, use these at your own risk, as not all drivers will be compatible and may damage the card. The May 2021 Update (version 21H1) currently conflicts with some GPUs as well, unless using drivers with or before Build 442.74:
 

You will also require the guide to Disable Driver Enforcement. I recommend using Option 1 for this (be sure to reboot to re-enable Driver Enforcement after installation is complete, to use signed drivers for other hardware):


https://www.thewindowsclub.com/disable-driver-signature-enforcement-windows

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I knew this day had to come eventually but even so it does bum me out a little bit. If I was still regularly gaming on PC, it would be time to start saving for an upgrade.

 

It was surprising though that in the video Linus talked about VRAM limitations, yet he didn't mention the 6GB cards that exist. He said something like "the 780 Ti only ever shipped with 3GB of VRAM" and that may be true, but my EVGA GTX 780 SC (non-Ti) has 6GB of VRAM on it. Thing is, I've never had a 4K or even 1440p display to test it on which is why for a moment my ears perked up and I was really hoping he would talk about 4K performance for a card like mine.

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I have an entire LAN center that uses GTX 700 series cards.  Recently I've had some major issues with the cards after windows updates (link to the topic below).  Has any one else had issues?  It's strange on identical systems some perform normally and at least 3 are running well below where they should.  I've been trying older drivers but haven't had any success.  Windows 7 is sounding more and more tempting at this point.

I really like these cards are they are plenty powerful for any games we play, It's just not worth it to buy 5+ newer cards.

 

 

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On 7/25/2021 at 2:11 PM, Ibanez343 said:

Windows 7 is sounding more and more tempting at this point.

 

 

A LAN cafe where random people come in and try to do God knows what on your computers is the last place I would want to be running an OS that isn't getting any security support anymore.

Friends don't let friends use Userbenchmark. Ban the term "bottleneck." Corps aren't your friends. If the PC does what you need it to do well enough, it's good enough. Don't build the "best" system, build the system that makes you happy. 

 

System specs:

Ryzen 5 5600X w/Arctic Freezer 34 eSports Duo | ASRock B550 PG Velocita | Radeon RX 6800 Reference

16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3600mhz CL16 | 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus, 3TB Toshiba P300

Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact | Seasonic Focus GX 750W

 

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