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3 minutes ago, Loote said:

Probably an extremely low non-zero chance. Imo it's worth waiting a bit until this is investigated further.

well, I'm not in the beta anyway, but my mmorpg group is looking for a new game so keeping an eye on this one ๐Ÿ™‚

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12 minutes ago, Video Beagle said:

well, I'm not in the beta anyway, but my mmorpg group is looking for a new game so keeping an eye on this one ๐Ÿ™‚

What about the Chinese themed one that came out recently? Sword of Legends Online.

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10 minutes ago, Garak said:

What about the Chinese themed one that came out recently? Sword of Legends Online.

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Don't think I've heard of it, but I'll look it up. Thanks.

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Hopefully it doesnt kill my 3080 Ti thats coming in the next few days..

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I'm not gonna blame the game dev for this

Nor am I gonna pin Nvidia/AMD/AIB for this

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This feels like a freak incident and everyone involved should learn from it and make sure it never happens again

-sigh- feeling like I'm being too negative lately

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6 hours ago, Kisai said:

This is literately telling the players to limit the frame rate to 60.

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1 hour ago, Snadzies said:

I've been running a frame rate limiter ever since I launched The Sims 2 years ago and the game ran at 4,000+ fps on the splash screens and menus.

My graphics card emitted such a horrendous screeching I thought it was going to blow. That was the day I learned what coil whine was.

i always run vsync on every game i play. no point taxing my hardware if i don't need to for frames that don't matter.

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24 minutes ago, Arika S said:

i always run vsync on every game i play. no point taxing my hardware if i don't need to for frames that don't matter.

But Linus proved in a highly scientific test with a representative sample size that rendering your games at double the framerate that your monitor can display is still massively beneficial to your skill in games, because even though your ping in something like CS:GO is between 40-60 ms at best for an online match, rendering the same stuff ten times at a framerate of 250-300fps makes a world of difference, especially considering that CS:GO servers have a tickrate of 128, so you should totally run every game as fast as possible.</sarcasm>

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30 minutes ago, That Franc said:

There's a fresh update from Jay:

Are there any hard numbers on those reports? How many people are exactly affected for any of those cards? And how much is even verified about those reports? I'm a bit skeptical whenever people self-report about stuff like this, there are too many factors at play for many people to draw definite conclusions as to what the cause of a hardware failure may be. And given the number of threads on this very forum where complete newbies try to diagnose a problem and come to the completely wrong conclusion, my confidence in stuff like this isn't too high. I could shoot off an email to Jay and tell him that my card died. How would he verify that? Besides, I find lumping together cards that completely died in with others that are just experiencing shutdowns a bit disingenuous. This software is in beta, it's to be expected that something might cause a crash. That's the intended effect so it doesn't actually break something, after all.ย 

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11 minutes ago, Arika S said:

i always run vsync on every game i play. no point taxing my hardware if i don't need to for frames that don't matter.

The thing is, many people have turned vsync off because of mis-applied advice from other MMO games, and those settings remain even when they aren't playing it.ย 

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Honestly, the setting that has the most impact on networked games is turning nagle off because many games don't tell the OS to do so, but it's only one-sided, but it means the difference between being able to send 5 commands per second to the server, and 100.

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With Vsync, it often has to do with the input timing loop. Crappy games tend to do spin-wait's rather than event-driven logic, and unfortunately, many game engines invoke an entirely separate engine on top for their 2D menus.

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20 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

I'm going to avoid new world until this has been addressed since I don't want it to try my 3080 which is hard to replace at the moment.

That's not a solution.

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It could be that due to the GPUย shortage,higher number of defective cards left factories,or even worse - a design flaw/cheap components.

This shortage is a perfect opportunity to put very cheap and unsuitable components on cards,capitalizing on the high demand,

Because at this point there are people who will buy anything that is available,even if it hasย cheap and bad components or a design flaw.

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So if your card can get fried by a gameย - consider waiting for a fix/fixed replacement from NVIDIA/manufacturer.

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7 hours ago, xg32 said:

according to jay those other scenarios don't actually draw over the power limit, new world launcher/menu does, and it seems like the ftw3 has very uneven power delivery between the pci-e slot and the 3rd 8-pin power connector too, it's suspected that the pop is from the choke/vrm associated with the 3rd plug, of course this doesn't mean other brands/models are immune.

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Can't wait til Jay and Steve put out a video on these.

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Going to be an interesting video for sure. That said we come back to the question. Why is this the only game able to cause this overdraw if thats what it is thats doing this.

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6 hours ago, Castdeath97 said:

My guess would be there is always a non zero number of cards that would do that under severe stress, just that the combination of this game putting massive stressย and EVGA 3090sย made peopleโ€™sย reports that more common and perceptible.ย 

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Again, the situation being reported as the cause happens in other games, they should have blown long before this if that was the sole cause.

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4 hours ago, Moonzy said:

I'm not gonna blame the game dev for this

Nor am I gonna pin Nvidia/AMD/AIB for this

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This feels like a freak incident and everyone involved should learn from it and make sure it never happens again

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This has been my suspicion from the start, especially once AMD started to report issues as well. Weather it's in the GPU silicon or some other component i'm less sure.

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didn't they already had problems with the 1080ti ftw3 back in the day?

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28 minutes ago, Nacht said:

Cant kill it if you dont play it, just wait play something else set framerate limit in nvidia control panel to like 300 or something so other games without framerate limits dont do silly things

Currently running RTS (RivaTunerStatistics) with the limit to 100fps.

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I dont need 240hz unless its csgo.. anything beyond on my 2080s is just more noise from the fans.

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Cant wait until i get the 3080Ti and see how it handles it better.

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42 minutes ago, Nacht said:

Cant kill it if you dont play it, just wait play something else set framerate limit in nvidia control panel to like 300 or something so other games without framerate limits dont do silly things

Yeah, just don't risk it lol

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To me this sounds like the same common issue with the 3090's and 3080's vram overheating issue. My Aorus card vram goes up to 106c when playing New world and I am waiting for new thermal pads for adding some to the back of the card as I have seen that greatly help with this issue.ย 

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11 hours ago, CarlBar said:

Again why is this only showing up now. Most of these cards have been out for a long time. If some specific "normal"ย occurrence was going to fry them, it would have done so allready. It's not like letting the GPU run wild for mega framerates is unique to this game in the slightest. If that was enough to blow the cards in question to kingdom come they'd have gone a long time ago.

It could be that they are calling something in the API that still renders quickly but normally isn't called on menu screens (which tips the scales).ย  Ultimately though, I don't think this is an issue with New World, but an issue with hardware implementation.

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1 hour ago, Nacht said:

Seriously hope they will recall cards if they find a hardware fault like ocp etc not triggering properly.

Btw if had PC shut off at cold boot before with gtx 1080 and 6900 XT installed at same time with evga 1300 g2 it would not turn back on untill i power cycled the psu and removed pci-e cable from gtx 1080, but if never heard of these things existing on hardware it self to, so i have no idea of knowning if it triggered on my gpu or psu.

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That is why i also replaced my psu just to be sure as i do not trust it anymore with my new hardware.

well if they do im not going to send them my card because i know i probably wont get it back

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4 hours ago, GodSeph said:

To me this sounds like the same common issue with the 3090's and 3080's vram overheating issue. My Aorus card vram goes up to 106c when playing New world and I am waiting for new thermal pads for adding some to the back of the card as I have seen that greatly help with this issue.ย 

Everything looks like a voltage issue that insta fries cards, not enoughย  time to heat up the vram that much.

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so the issue is most likely some voltage regulator, maybe in combination with not ideal driversโ€ฆ

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28 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

more nerfs through drivers incoming if soโ€ฆย 

Selling unstable cards, that rely on drivers? Can I get an AI driver?

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I literally didn't even know Amazon was developing games...

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This one disturbs me a lot. ย If GPUs are over heatableย despite throttle systems then CPUs could be too. ย The argument for old school style stress tests and low temperatures is bolstered. ย Iโ€™m pretty sure my equipment is immune to this because by modern standards it is overcooled. ย The stuff canโ€™t run so fast it melts itself. ย 

Not a pro, not even very good. ย Iโ€™m just old and have time currently. ย Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

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5 hours ago, wanderingfool2 said:

It could be that they are calling something in the API that still renders quickly but normally isn't called on menu screens (which tips the scales).ย  Ultimately though, I don't think this is an issue with New World, but an issue with hardware implementation.

No, it's pretty clearly the lack of frame-rate limiting. You know how people test synthetic benchmarks and never seem to catastrophically cause theย video cards to fail, even if OC'd? The question is why the cards own thermal/power throttling isn't kicking in before this failure happens.

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Just like why people shouldn't pick up pre-owned GPU's. You don't know how it's been abused, and this is one of those reasons which puts a cloud over the ability to resell them, since someone might sell a "defective" card that self-destructs and not even have the warranty.

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58 minutes ago, BabaGanuche said:

I doubt it is overheating given how it is being said it happens. I like Buildzoid's thoughts on this a large power spike taking out part of the VRM because of incorrectly configured or absence OCP on the VRM controller.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbCrNBpW-RQ

So the problem is the 3090 was malformed from the start and it may not apply more generally. ย I hope that is the case.

Not a pro, not even very good. ย Iโ€™m just old and have time currently. ย Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

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