Amazon's mmo New World is bricking 3090 gpus

[RejZoR]

35 minutes ago, PocketNerd said:

Someone doesn't know how GPUs are actually made.

 

It would be EVGA's fault for not adding enough cooling to their card(s), not Nvidia.

 

That said, I don't think this is a cooling issue...

NVIDIA approves EVERY design by AiB. That was the last debate when cards were crashing because of GPU backside capacitors...

[Spotty]

7 hours ago, wkdpaul said:

It's one specific model, the EVGA FTW3, it's not ALL 3090s.

 

There are multiple reports of this on twitter and reddit, not just 2-3 people.

The most surprising thing I find in all of this is how many people actually have RTX 3090s.

 

I really hope we get a proper explanation for why the cards are dying. Even just photos of the boards to see if there are any damaged SMD components would be very interesting to see, but I'm guessing most people aren't wanting to take apart their dead $2000+ GPU and risk getting rejected on warranty.

A few people have suggested it might be VRAM overheating but I would expect it to throttle and safely shut down if that was the case. Some people described it happening as soon as they load the game and get to the menu as well, which makes me think it might be something to do with the power delivery that is killing the cards. Sudden power spike blowing open a resistor or MOSFET. Those EVGA FTW3s will pull a huge amount of power in certain tasks. Techpowerup review tested it at over 500w sustained power draw during furmark. From people's comments they've described the menu/lobby causing their GPU to max out. If the lobby is uncapped and has some weird rendering issue then it could be causing massive load on the GPU and large power spikes, and for whatever reason maybe poor design, below average parts, or the higher limits the premium ftw3 card is set to run at - possibly combination of all three - is causing the FTW3 to fail.

 

That's my guess at this stage. Pretty interested to see what the actual cause is.

 

Either way it's not good news for EVGA, or for anyone who owns these cards. If this is a widespread issue on FTW3 cards then the RMA process is going to be interesting.

[Skiiwee29]

JayzTwoCents has just released a talking head piece on this.

 

 

[GDRRiley]

1 hour ago, wkdpaul said:

It's one specific model, the EVGA FTW3, it's not ALL 3090s.

reports are now thats its more than just EVGA FTW3
EVGA is the board partner with the most 3090s produced so they will seem the hardest hit

[GDRRiley]

2 hours ago, Middcore said:

And why would it only be 3090's and not lesser cards? And why were there no dead cards during the alpha a few months ago?

like about power components

 

there were reports of them during the alpha

[WkdPaul]

3 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

reports are now thats its more than just EVGA FTW3
EVGA is the board partner with the most 3090s produced so they will seem the hardest hit

Was skimming the thread on New Worlds forum this morning and I didn't see other 3090 reported, looking back now and I see a few other 3090 models also died.

 

I'm wondering if it's related to the previous issue that was allegedly bad capacitors ? (I legit didn't follow that issue so I'm out of the loop)

[GDRRiley]

Just now, wkdpaul said:

I'm wondering if it's related to the previous issue that was allegedly bad capacitors ? (I legit didn't follow that issue so I'm out of the loop)

its likely some power issue. I assume this will take at least a few days of testing before we know

[Dedayog]

5 hours ago, Avocado Diaboli said:

Maybe this is a dumb take, and yeah, the game is probably terribly optimized. But wouldn't a hardware failure like that indicate that this is more of a fault with the hardware manufacturer and Nvidia's specifications of these cards? I mean, sure, the devs should address the problem, but honestly, I feel like I shouldn't have to worry that some random piece of software that I run might be metaphorically exploding my PC.

DING DING DING!!!

 

The game simply highlights a flaw in the manufacture of the cards.  Sure, it may cause a crash in a normal card, but for it to brick a specific card?  

 

Card is the issue.

[Moonzy]

I suspect it's the transient spikes causing vrm to go boom

[BridgeBurner]

Dang, I was thinking about trying this game out since you can basically play it for free until August 31. I think I will take a hard pass on it now.

[Dedayog]

2 minutes ago, BridgeBurner said:

Dang, I was thinking about trying this game out since you can basically play it for free until August 31. I think I will take a hard pass on it now.

Why, do you have an EVGA 3090?

 

No, you do not.  Go play.

[Tieox]

 

Was thinking of giving this game a look, will be giving it a wider berth than a smelly portaloo at a festival.  The investigations into this will be very interesting! 

[BridgeBurner]

5 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Why, do you have an EVGA 3090?

 

No, you do not.  Go play.

Nope. I have a 3080 but i'm still not chancing it. I have plenty of other games to play. I'll wait a while for some patches and see how this plays out.

[pas008]

1 hour ago, Caroline said:

ugh... eww.

 

Don't AIBs fully test cards before releasing them?

how can a piece of spyware made by amazon literally brick your hardware? that's beyond f... up.

maybe the spyware overclocks them while mining at the same time lol

 

but i'm still wondering why firmware software and the hardware itself isnt stopping this

[Skiiwee29]

12 minutes ago, BridgeBurner said:

Nope. I have a 3080 but i'm still not chancing it. I have plenty of other games to play. I'll wait a while for some patches and see how this plays out.

If you do, just set an FPS limit in your Nvidia Control Panel to prevent the suspected issue of FPS over drive causing massive power draw and spikes. 

 

[Quackers101]

4 hours ago, PocketNerd said:

Someone doesn't know how GPUs are actually made.

 

It would be EVGA's fault for not adding enough cooling to their card(s), not Nvidia.

 

That said, I don't think this is a cooling issue...

Can be related to software too, like a software bug that they have pushed. hardware control to the annoying part of DRMs etc? But it does sound weird the motherboard nor the system or GPU is tackling or seeing this problem and is not throttling it? If its an nvidia cost saving failure in making the card?

[StDragon]

Unless you're specifically modifying voltage variables, software should never harm hardware. Period.

[AnonymousGuy]

57 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

If you do, just set an FPS limit in your Nvidia Control Panel to prevent the suspected issue of FPS over drive causing massive power draw and spikes. 

 

This.  There's zero benefit to letting FPS run unlimited...if anything it's a detriment maxing out your CPU processing frames that don't matter, taking away resources for other tasks.  I set mine to 143 FPS so gsync is always active as well.

[CarlBar]

58 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

If you do, just set an FPS limit in your Nvidia Control Panel to prevent the suspected issue of FPS over drive causing massive power draw and spikes. 

 

 

According to the OP people have done this and it's still causing erroneous behaviour.

[BridgeBurner]

19 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

This.  There's zero benefit to letting FPS run unlimited...if anything it's a detriment maxing out your CPU processing frames that don't matter, taking away resources for other tasks.  I set mine to 143 FPS so gsync is always active as well.

Are you saying that it should be set a few FPS higher for gsync to work? So I should set my 120Hz monitor to 123?

[Skiiwee29]

1 minute ago, BridgeBurner said:

Are you saying that it should be set a few FPS higher for gsync to work? So I should set my 120Hz monitor to 123?

actually lower, Generally 141 is the recommended for 144 for Gsync to work properly. 

[AnonymousGuy]

1 minute ago, BridgeBurner said:

Are you saying that it should be set a few FPS higher for gsync to work? So I should set my 120Hz monitor to 123?

No, GSync only engages when the game FPS is below the monitor refresh rate.  I have a 144hz monitor so I set the fps limit to 143.  You would want 119 fps.

 

Also, the Nvidia control panel setting overrides whatever the in-game setting is.  Like FN I have it set to 144fps limit but it ends up only doing 143.

[BridgeBurner]

I'll give it a try. Thanks,

[AnonymousGuy]

2 minutes ago, BridgeBurner said:

I'll give it a try. Thanks,

Here's the sauce by the way: https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/14

 

It's worth clicking through the pages where they tried all the combinations of vsync and gsync and fps limit shit   It's also good to note that Nvidia and Intel both are now looking more at input latency stuff too with DX12 + Boost and Intel even going so far as to measure cache size vs. game latency to optimize future CPU designs.

[Yoinkerman]

Ah the classic menu screen 9999 fps problem.  You'd think devs would know that, it's like the oldest trick in the book