New Nintendo Switch announced!

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, ki8aras said:

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@WolframaticAlpha   

 

 4.5-9 hours??? what kind of range is that?

There’s a long range of titles for the switch, some titles are much heavier; I’d guess 4.5hr would be under full brightness and a demanding game, 9hr is th range for a week let game and more reasonable brightness.

[Freakwise]

that battery tho...

 

id expected something bigger for the device with that size

[WolframaticAlpha]

26 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Summary

Nintendo dropped the next revision of the switch today, the long awaited Switch Pro.

But wait, it’s not any better besides the screen

October 8th, 349.99$ (us)

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My thoughts

The double storage is fine, but not a make or break, I would’ve preferred a 128gb model, but what can you do

new screen: cool, still probably 720p though, but it’s bigger.

Lan port: nice, Nintendo, welcome to 2006, your first consoleto have a lab port!

Stand: that’s cool. It current stand is bad at best

 Better audio: I don’t know, this will need a hands on

over all, it’s cool, but missing some stuff you would’ve liked, like 4K with dlss 2.0 that was rumored, or more storage, or better joycons (maybe they fixed drift tho?)

 

Sources

https://www.nintendo.com/switch/oled-model/

sauwwy

 

also, how to embed video like that? My link looks plain

 

8 minutes ago, ki8aras said:

@HelpfulTechWizard

 

 

@WolframaticAlpha   

 

 4.5-9 hours??? what kind of range is that?

Games like BotW and the witcher 3 and new doom ports will consume more battery than say tetris or old doom or youtube.

4 minutes ago, Freakwise said:

that battery tho...

 

id expected something bigger for the device with that size

Ikr, it is the same as the previous switch

 

I am really concerned about the OLED. OLED doesn't really work under sunlight, unless you have a good panel with high brightness. And I don't trust nintendo with its screens

[SteveGrabowski0]

Gotta say I'm glad the Switch Pro rumors ended up being BS (lol Bloomberg), as I'd hate to see my first gen Switch become a scrub version of the system. I'd rather see a new generation Nintendo hybrid in a couple of years, as we're already deep into the fifth year of this console being out. Though hopefully Nintendo's next gen portable will have BC.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, strajk- said:

In terms of IPC, the GPU inside the WiiU is 4 times more powerful than the one in the 2017 Switch, no, it's not more powerful, the CPU and RAM are superior, but in terms of raw performance to push as many frames as possible it's worse.

But ipc isn’t everything…. Code optimization is a big thing, which I’d bet the switch devs are putting more work into than the wiiu’s devs, as a shit load more people have a switch than a wiiu.

Plus the switch has about 50% higher clocks than the wiiu, at 768mhz instead of 550mhz, plus, I’m not sure buy the wiiu having 4x the ipc.

[CerealExperimentsLain]

Kinda enjoying seeing all these PC Gamers unable to figure out why a console, that reliably sells multiple millions of units every month to the point where in early 2021 they had to increase projections on how many units they would sell, 4 years into it's life cycle, is not having a complete overhaul.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

2 minutes ago, WolframaticAlpha said:

sauwwy

 

also, how to embed video like that? My link looks plain

You paste it and the forum will auto embed.

[strajk-]

Just now, HelpfulTechWizard said:

But ipc isn’t everything…. Code optimization is a big thing, which I’d bet the switch devs are putting more work into than the wiiu’s devs, as a shit load more people have a switch than a wiiu.

Plus the switch has about 50% higher clocks than the wiiu, at 768mhz instead of 550mhz, plus, I’m not sure buy the wiiu having 4x the ipc.

Read my post again, I never compared the platform, I compared the specs.

The WiiU was hot garbage to develop for since it was running on a platform nobody wanted to develop on, it was far from developer friendly as well...

In terms of RAW Performance, put the WiiU Specs inside a Switch, you will have more frames at a higher res, it's not really a hot take...

[Freakwise]

4 minutes ago, WolframaticAlpha said:

also, how to embed video like that? My link looks plain

copy paste it manually and wait for a couple of second

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Gotta say I'm glad the Switch Pro rumors ended up being BS (lol Bloomberg), as I'd hate to see my first gen Switch become a scrub version of the system. I'd rather see a new generation Nintendo hybrid in a couple of years, as we're already deep into the fifth year of this console being out. Though hopefully Nintendo's next gen portable will have BC.

I’m actually kinda pissed at Nintendo for this. All the other consoles new reversions had increased preformance (Xbox one x, ps4 pro) and they sold like hot cakes, but it didn’t make the origonals obsolete, if Nintendo did have higher preformance for 100-200$ more like don’t and ms it would make sense

[Helpful Tech Witch]

5 minutes ago, WolframaticAlpha said:

And I don't trust nintendo with its screens

It’s not like they make them, isn’t it a samgaung panel acording to the leaks?

[WolframaticAlpha]

Will they fix the joycon drift?

[Helpful Tech Witch]

2 minutes ago, strajk- said:

Read my post again, I never compared the platform, I compared the specs.

The WiiU was hot garbage to develop for since it was running on a platform nobody wanted to develop on, it was far from developer friendly as well...

In terms of RAW Performance, put the WiiU Specs inside a Switch, you will have more frames at a higher res, it's not really a hot take...

And so did I, go read my post again. I pointed out the much higher gpu clock speed for the switch, plus pointed out I doubt the ipc, untill I can get evidence that it is 4 times better

[Chris Pratt]

21 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

That's it?

 

Becuase in the article they say 

Which leads me to believe they've upgraded the "CPU/GPU: NVIDIA Custom Tegra processor". Disappointing if they attribute extra power to an OLED screen. Also the fact that it cant output 4K when docked is a very large bummer.

Whoever wrote the article is an idiot then. It's literally exactly the same hardware. No upgrade to the internals at all, save for more storage. Still 720p undocked and 1080p docked, so no change.

[WolframaticAlpha]

Just now, HelpfulTechWizard said:

It’s not like they make them, isn’t it a samgaung panel acording to the leaks?

yeah, but nintendo puts the cheapest panel that will not be bad for its devices. 150 dollar phones have better screens than the switch

[Mr.Meerkat]

3 minutes ago, strajk- said:

Not necessarily, an OLED does tend to have less power draw than an LCD, won't know until the model number of the screen itself is known to actually compare it in an apples to apples scenario though.

Again, that's debatable as in a near-apple to apple comparison, it's all down to how much white/brighter colours are being displayed. 

 

(Source: Notebookcheck)

Note quite apples-to-apples (doesn't help how it's from 2016) but it still does show the strength/weaknesses of IPS and OLED when compared to each other. With these two specific displays, the OLED only matches IPS is power consumption when at 45%-ish white, which at least for a laptop means you're actually consuming more power a decent amount of time (unless you can force dark mode/themes onto most things) so unfortunately, IMO, the power consumption argument doesn't really hold a lot of the time. 

 

Of course, it's nice to have things like always on displays but in terms of screen on usage, it could almost be said that IPS is the safer choice over OLED. 

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, WolframaticAlpha said:

Will they fix the joycon drift?

Doubt.
It seems to be a problem with the componets used to make the joystick in the jouconns, and affects all of the new controlers, as they all use it, from the same manufacturer, but Nintendo's seem the fail the most.

[Chris Pratt]

Just now, WolframaticAlpha said:

yeah, but nintendo puts the cheapest panel that will not be bad for its devices. 150 dollar phones have better screens than the switch

209ppi now with 7" screen. Pitiful. Even an Amazon Fire HD has better pixel density.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, WolframaticAlpha said:

yeah, but nintendo puts the cheapest panel that will not be bad for its devices. 150 dollar phones have better screens than the switch

And my shitty Lumia Icon has a better screen than my iPhone, it doesn't mean it's going to be that way.

 

Plus 150$ phones don't have Mario.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, Chris Pratt said:

209ppi now with 7" screen. Pitiful. Even an Amazon Fire HD has better pixel density.

There's a lot of fire had models.......
Like at least 4 a year, hd8, hd10, hd8 plus, hd 10 plus.
The 10 had a 10.1in screen with 1920x1080, for 224ppi, marginally better at best.

[WolframaticAlpha]

2 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

And my shitty Lumia Icon has a better screen than my iPhone, it doesn't mean it's going to be that way.

 

Plus 150$ phones don't have Mario.

Super Mario Run – Apps on Google Play

 

150 dollar phones do a lot more. Nintendo can afford to take a loss on a console. Phone makers can't.

[Master Disaster]

15 minutes ago, strajk- said:

In terms of IPC, the GPU inside the WiiU is 4 times more powerful than the one in the 2017 Switch, no, it's not more powerful, the CPU and RAM are superior, but in terms of raw performance to push as many frames as possible it's worse.

You got a source for that?

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, WolframaticAlpha said:

Super Mario Run – Apps on Google Play

 

150 dollar phones do a lot more. Nintendo can afford to take a loss on a console. Phone makers can't.

And Mario run counted as a real Mario game now? I'd love to see you try to run Bowser's fury, which barely runs on the switch at times, on a 150$ phone

If a switch emu can ever run on a 150$ phone before 2030, ill be surprised.

the switch is more powerful than a 150$ phone, it probably will stay like that for a bit, as the switch has real cooking’s

[Dash Lambda]

Honestly, I don't really consider the screen an improvement, unless it's magic. OLEDs still wear out really fast compared to LCD right? Sure, it'll look nicer, but what will it look like in 5 years? 10 years? And were people really asking for a bigger screen on a handheld?

 

Double the internal storage is whatever because I can just stick a 512GB SD card in there. LAN port on the dock is nice but not a selling point, even for me.

 

New kickstand is nice. Better audio is nice, but... if I want good audio I'll use headphones/IEMs.

 

I mean, this is what Nintendo does, they don't push performance, they focus on unique features. I just thought that since the Switch is the first Nintendo portable to really mix game libraries with the rest of the industry they'd bump performance a bit, things like Doom and A Hat In Time kind'a make it chug.

 

I don't really see a reason to wait for it.

[jaslion]

14 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

But ipc isn’t everything…. Code optimization is a big thing, which I’d bet the switch devs are putting more work into than the wiiu’s devs, as a shit load more people have a switch than a wiiu.

Plus the switch has about 50% higher clocks than the wiiu, at 768mhz instead of 550mhz, plus, I’m not sure buy the wiiu having 4x the ipc.

Also featureset. The wii u's gpu was based on the hd 5700 series. Whilst the switch is based around a gtx 900 series design. There are a fair few comparisons between these generations of cards and even extrapolating performance you can sometimes see logical % scaling but also massive leaps between a gtx 950 and hd 5870 where it can easily be over 100% faster whilst in older games it is at best 60% better (older games at the time of the 900 series release).