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I've seen this topic alot in my searches. But I got 5800x at 90c on a new build with a Liquid Freezer II 280 top mount exhaust. In a phantek p500a drgb case with the three 140mm fans in front included and a be cool wings II 140mm exhaust. When I first fired it up last week 93c in Bios. So, I repasted cpu and installed build into the case. When I got fans all maxed out I hit 90c under load. I tried doing abrunch of undervolting on pbo and only one made a small difference. (85c instead of 90c) I disabled pbo and I got better temps. I do of work on my computer 12 hour days. Gaming the next 8 hours. Idling With that liquid freezer is 50c normal. I used to run my 1600af in Adobe at 100% and get 55c at most. Any ideas to cool this would be greatly appreciated. I very interested about why the Liquid Freezer came set to exhaust on top mount. I got 3 140mm exhausting and 3 intaking.  O and I running  aorus b550 elite v2 and two samsung m.2s.2070 super.

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Welcome to the forums!!!

 

What are your voltages like for Vcore? AMD Ryzen 5000 series tends to run hot and at a higher voltage at idle. Have you tried to update the BIOS to the latest non-Beta BIOS by any chance? I've heard that this helps somewhat and can knock a couple degrees C off. 

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2 minutes ago, dustin85841 said:

I tried doing abrunch of undervolting on pbo and only one made a small difference.

What all did you try? How far of a negative offset have you gotten to?

2 minutes ago, dustin85841 said:

In a phantek p500a drgb case with the three 140mm fans in front included and a be cool wings II 140mm exhaust.

What are the temps on the 2070?

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

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Why is the 5800x so hot?

 

 

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Back to base principles are you sure you have thermal paste on?

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Just as reference:
My 5800X is cooled by a Noctua NH-D15. After a single Cinebench R23 run, my CPU hits 87°C.

This is with a thermal pad.

 

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I can't help much other than that.

 

 

 

 

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A 5800x anywhere near those temps just in the bios with an arctic freezer ii 280 is having serious problems. A Arctic Freezer ii 280mm is among the highest tier AIO you can buy.

 

Either something is faulty or not properly installed. Check it is properly installed and make sure the pump is working.

 

My 5950x OC pulling 210 watts in cinebench only hits 80c in my ITX case with an Artic Freezer ii 280mm AIO.

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I changed my Digi+ VRM and clocked it to 4.7ghz. (I lost 0.1Ghz on 1 core but no difference in performance) And went from 85'c to 65'c.

11 minutes ago, CryingWimp said:

A 5800x anywhere near those temps just in the bios with an arctic freezer ii 280 is having serious problems. A Arctic Freezer ii 280mm is among the highest tier AIO you can buy.

 

Either something is faulty or not properly installed. Check it is properly installed and make sure the pump is working.

The problem with the 5800x is even with a decent cooler, the chip spikes instantly and doesn't really cool, it uses all the thermal room it can. I've got 2 360mm rads cooling mine and at stock settings still is 85'c and my coolant never went above 34'c, (ambient of 28'c).

Proud owner of a custom water cooled Ryzen 1400. 5800x  

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I ran cinebench in eco mode on ryzen master. And it looks like it is still getting to 88c under load. But it de finely runs better on light tasks its at 41c right now which is a miracle at this point.

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5800x is hard to cool. even harder than 5900x. 

 

It has only 1 CXX so it makes the cooling harder since the cores are closer together than they would be with 2 or 4 CXXs

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I’ve wanted to buy this CPU a few times already just to see how hot it really runs lol..

 

But I already own 5600X and 5900X and only have 1 board 😄

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On 7/2/2021 at 3:43 PM, dustin85841 said:

I've seen this topic alot in my searches. But I got 5800x at 90c on a new build with a Liquid Freezer II 280 top mount exhaust. In a phantek p500a drgb case with the three 140mm fans in front included and a be cool wings II 140mm exhaust. When I first fired it up last week 93c in Bios. So, I repasted cpu and installed build into the case. When I got fans all maxed out I hit 90c under load. I tried doing abrunch of undervolting on pbo and only one made a small difference. (85c instead of 90c) I disabled pbo and I got better temps. I do of work on my computer 12 hour days. Gaming the next 8 hours. Idling With that liquid freezer is 50c normal. I used to run my 1600af in Adobe at 100% and get 55c at most. Any ideas to cool this would be greatly appreciated. I very interested about why the Liquid Freezer came set to exhaust on top mount. I got 3 140mm exhausting and 3 intaking.  O and I running  aorus b550 elite v2 and two samsung m.2s.2070 super.

The deal with AIO....

 

It's not a water block for starters.

More like a pump with a thin cold plate attached to the bottom.

That means a small amount of copper mass, generally no more than the IHS plate its self, is going to have a high temp gradient.

So that means high idle temps and a short distance to load temp.

 

Radiator surface area is good to have, but most AIO is aluminum rads which means mixed metals in your loop. As a rule of thumb on any liquid cooling.... you don't mix the metals.

 

The above are my main concerns, starting with a good water block in a water system is super important. A full copper block on a custom loop may have the ability to retain as much BTU as some entire AIO systems. 

Also with full copper blocks you have much more surface area inside and on the outside of the block for thermal dissipation. AIO pumps with a plate rely on solely dissipation, on one side of the cold plate, and this is where high temp gradient comes from. 

 

While it may seem pricey to build a custom loop, most of these builds, the water block manufacturers will offer mounting plate upgrades for free so updating your socket and carrying over the liquid cooling loop is painless.

 

TLDR, ditch the AIO and build a custom loop.

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On 7/2/2021 at 3:47 PM, SpiderMan said:

Welcome to the forums!!!

 

What are your voltages like for Vcore? AMD Ryzen 5000 series tends to run hot and at a higher voltage at idle. Have you tried to update the BIOS to the latest non-Beta BIOS by any chance? I've heard that this helps somewhat and can knock a couple degrees C off. 

Bios is the latest F13g. I had to update the Bios cause the board did not support 5000 out the box. I did not even look at voltages. I was going into the Bios and strait to PBO. 

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On 7/2/2021 at 10:43 PM, dustin85841 said:

I've seen this topic alot in my searches. But I got 5800x at 90c on a new build with a Liquid Freezer II 280 top mount exhaust. In a phantek p500a drgb case with the three 140mm fans in front included and a be cool wings II 140mm exhaust. When I first fired it up last week 93c in Bios. So, I repasted cpu and installed build into the case. When I got fans all maxed out I hit 90c under load. I tried doing abrunch of undervolting on pbo and only one made a small difference. (85c instead of 90c) I disabled pbo and I got better temps. I do of work on my computer 12 hour days. Gaming the next 8 hours. Idling With that liquid freezer is 50c normal. I used to run my 1600af in Adobe at 100% and get 55c at most. Any ideas to cool this would be greatly appreciated. I very interested about why the Liquid Freezer came set to exhaust on top mount. I got 3 140mm exhausting and 3 intaking.  O and I running  aorus b550 elite v2 and two samsung m.2s.2070 super.

I've identified the problem here... You only sleep 4 hours a day. 😄

 

Seriously though, 85-90C under load isn't that abnormal, depending on your ambient temperatures. (93 C idle would be a problem obviously, but you seemed to have fixed that). I wouldn't be too worried, but it is on the warmer side. 

 

41C on idle is perfectly cool.

 

Perhaps the cooler is defective in some way (pump?)? Perhaps the contact with the CPU is still not good (enough, too much thermal paste?)? I would personally stick with a beefy air cooler over an AIO, less things can go wrong, but that is personal preference.

 

 

 

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On 7/2/2021 at 3:51 PM, IkeaGnome said:

What all did you try? How far of a negative offset have you gotten to?

What are the temps on the 2070?

I started a 10 negative ppt 120, TDC 75, EDC 130. I ran three and -10 -20 -30. I noticed better cinebench score on mult at -30 but It still hit 90c. Next I tried PPT 115, TDC 100, EDC 80, started a -10,-20,-30. Crashed on -30, and -20 was unstable. And still hit 85c. There's probably some more performance in the last setting to fine tune but It wasn't going the way I wanted temp wise. The 2070s run 30c 31c. In Games the gpu runs 45c-50c in Escape from Tarkov

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22 minutes ago, dustin85841 said:

Bios is the latest F13g. I had to update the Bios cause the board did not support 5000 out the box. I did not even look at voltages. I was going into the Bios and strait to PBO. 

Alright, strange that you are getting these high temperatures. Are you sure you are using enough thermal paste on the AIO? My 5950X is idling right now around 35oC using just a NH-D15, albeit a higher core count CPU, so something is not right here with your temperatures. 

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11 minutes ago, dustin85841 said:

I started a 10 negative ppt 120, TDC 75, EDC 130. I ran three and -10 -20 -30. I noticed better cinebench score on mult at -30 but It still hit 90c. Next I tried PPT 115, TDC 100, EDC 80, started a -10,-20,-30. Crashed on -30, and -20 was unstable. And still hit 85c. There's probably some more performance in the last setting to fine tune but It wasn't going the way I wanted temp wise. The 2070s run 30c 31c. In Games the gpu runs 45c-50c in Escape from Tarkov

If you have more thermal paste, pull the pump off the CPU and check to make sure you have enough and it spread evenly.

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

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Why is the 5800x so hot?

 

 

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19 minutes ago, _DeXTeR_ said:

for the million times I have to say it mount your AIO front side as intake air second go in bios change the pump speed and fans.

Fans are maxed bypassed the Mobo. Is there a reason front side intake works better?

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Not the same CPU, but I found mounting radiator as intake helped a lot.

 

As exhaust, you're using GPU-heated air to cool your CPU.

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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1 minute ago, _DeXTeR_ said:

What do you think you take fresh air in or you take air from case from GPU and hot system.

I like high amp fans capable of moving air. Think mine are 1.6a at 150cfm. 

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28 minutes ago, SpiderMan said:

Alright, strange that you are getting these high temperatures. Are you sure you are using enough thermal paste on the AIO? My 5950X is idling right now around 35oC using just a NH-D15, albeit a higher core count CPU, so something is not right here with your temperatures. 

Yea I got plenty of pasta. I've already reapplied the paste and the spread looked good from the 1st applied. I'm always am heavy handed with paste. I used thermal grizzy. What temps do you get under load? Mine's 39c idling.

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9 minutes ago, dustin85841 said:

Yea I got plenty of pasta. I've already reapplied the paste and the spread looked good from the 1st applied. I'm always am heavy handed with paste. I used thermal grizzy. What temps do you get under load? Mine's 39c idling.

This is currently under Cinebench R23 right now. 

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16 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Not the same CPU, but I found mounting radiator as intake helped a lot.

 

As exhaust, you're using GPU-heated air to cool your CPU.

I think your onto something there, When I first mounted the Freezer II. I was surprised that it was set to exhaust. Seems that most people would want intake especially that close to the board. 

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18 minutes ago, dustin85841 said:

I think your onto something there, When I first mounted the Freezer II. I was surprised that it was set to exhaust. Seems that most people would want intake especially that close to the board. 

CPU rad intake = better for cpu, worse for everything else

 

CPU rad exhaust, worse for cpu, better for everything else

 

So it would depend on what specifically you're having trouble with to find the right setup.

 

That said, if you have a modern GPU some of them will have upwards of 300w+ of heat, I'm which case using CPU as exhaust seems kind of asking for it.

 

Personally, I didn't find too much impact on GPU/RAM/VRM temps by going to CPU Intake on the rads.

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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