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Next version of Windows event... Windows 11 -> Ended

1 minute ago, gjsman said:

Also incorrect. On the supported CPU list, Microsoft listed pretty much every SKU of each generation, and did in fact check every SKU despite clock speed differences. 7th gen is actually out.

Can you actually verify that some guy got payed to go to a test bench, boot Windows 11, do whatever kinda test protocall. Turn off the machine swap a Ryzen 3600 for a Ryzen 3600X, did the test again... (exc exc) Personally that seems like a waste of time if you have lets say 5 SKUs that only have a change in clock speed. It make more sense to verify the slowest, and then the fastest, then assume the other 3 where the only difference is clock speed, all work.
Unless there has been an incident in the past where 2Ghz works, 2.1Ghz works, 2.2Ghz fails, 2.3Ghz works.

And did they actually test 7th Gen, or did they just say "This is our cutt off for what we will test and officially support, beyond this, you are the captain of the ship"
 

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What's also angering is that remember Panos in the keynote talking about the "responsibility" they feel for serving so many users in a pandemic?

 

Is launching a version of Windows that won't run on anything but very recent computers, isn't guaranteed to work on self-built computers unless you buy a part that will be scalped to oblivion, and gives IT Pros half the time they expected to prepare, all while there are part shortages everywhere and record computer demand?

 

If you are going to up the spec requirements, doing it when the entire economy is under strain and people are most reliant on them is not the time to do it if you are trying to be actually responsible, Panos!

 

If anything, you should be trying to make Windows run better on the computers they already have because people need them, money is still tight, and demand is already too high to keep up with, so don't add more demand to the pile artificially. 

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Will they offer a legacy Win11 but only as subscription I ponder. 

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3 minutes ago, Tieox said:

Will they offer a legacy Win11 but only as subscription I ponder. 

This is MS we're talking about, release it free to the world, wait for everyone to get on with it, then use the TPM chip in some nefarious fashion to force a subscription model...or else....

 

(yeah, I"m having a go at them, but at the same time, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they tried to pull a pay model after the fact)

So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds

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1 minute ago, Radium_Angel said:

This is MS we're talking about, release it free to the world, wait for everyone to get on with it, then use the TPM chip in some nefarious fashion to force a subscription model...or else....

 

(yeah, I"m having a go at them, but at the same time, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they tried to pull a pay model after the fact)

Its not unreadable that they want to get paid for the software they create. But maybe they should just be more upfront about that fact. The alternative is MS stop caring about windows (on the consumer space) and just focus on azure, after all at the moment that is what is making them money...

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Also Panos, consider what you've done. IT Pros are now finding their computers can't be upgraded (a nasty surprise), and are going to be end-of-life in half the time they normally get (four years instead of eight, another nasty surprise). And for what, superfluous bells and whistles in their view? Bells and whistles which will get people complaining about how the taskbar moved, and wondering where their Start Menu pins went, and all the retraining required? All while we are still recovering from a pandemic, and the supply chain for new computers is very tight? And while your competition is brushing up on new, faster, fanless computers, M1X chips, Mac Pros that take up little space and little energy, and all the other stuff in the next year or two?

 

If I was Apple, I'd send out a message to CEOs everywhere saying to "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, your IT Pros exhausted from the mistakes of Microsoft" and join the dark side. If Microsoft is forcing you to upgrade and re-train, you might as well upgrade and re-train with Apple. Panos can't be oblivious to the fact that some businesses will say that this is all too much work and that the grass might be greener on the other side of the fence. 

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1 minute ago, hishnash said:

Its not unreadable that they want to get paid for the software they create.

Right, so why then give it away as a free upgrade?

They started at with the 1st ver. of Win10, and set the precedent, so now everyone expects this to be so from now on. 

So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds

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2 minutes ago, gjsman said:

If I was Apple, I'd send out a message to CEOs everywhere saying to "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, your IT Pros exhausted from the mistakes of Microsoft" and join the dark side. If Microsoft is forcing you to upgrade and re-train, you might as well upgrade and re-train with us.

Except, it's not gonna work.

We're not (in my gov't agency) on Windows because we like it, it's because the software we need on a daily basis, doesn't exist in the Apple world. It's as simple as that.

 

So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds

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1 minute ago, Radium_Angel said:

We're not (in my gov't agency) on Windows because we like it, it's because the software we need on a daily basis, doesn't exist in the Apple world. It's as simple as that.

 

There will always be people dependent on Windows. But If I'm in Apple's offices, I know that Microsoft has created an unexpected, massive upgrade cycle that has no doubt pissed off IT Pros everywhere. I might set an aggressive target to capture 10-20% of that upgrade cycle. 

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Another new feature of Windows 11.

Global microphone mute button. Will show on the taskbar.

RE4OA7x?ver=fdc6&q=90&m=2&h=-2&w=1870&b=

 

Press on it to mute/unmute.

 

If you are in presenting or in a meeting under Teams, you'll see "Share this window" on Start menu application thumbnail preview:

RE4OPMj?ver=ad83&q=90&m=2&h=-2&w=1870&b=

 

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"Share this window?" Cool, but can Zoom do that? Can Zoom integrate with Windows like that? Is Windows truly an open platform or is this Microsoft being anticompetitive? 

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8 minutes ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

The most worrying things is the UTTER shit support for older hardware. First gen ryzen is not even supported.  If your CPU was made before 2017, you're basically stuck with Windows 10.

I think MS will extend Windows 10 EOL to 2026.

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Also, in other news, Steve Dispensa (a Microsoft Software Developer) said that the "PC Health Check" that people were using to determine compatibility with Windows 11 was buggy and a new version will be available tomorrow and in the coming weeks.

 

To which I say: You had ONE JOB!

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1 hour ago, gjsman said:

You and me both, especially considering fTPM and TPM 2.0 by Infineon were both broken years ago. 

Interesting, I didn't know that, Microsoft forcing everyone to use TPM 1.2 at minimum really has me thinking they're doing it to force people into buying new PC's, its also easy marketing for MS to say it's a more secure OS.

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9 minutes ago, StDragon said:

I think MS will extend Windows 10 EOL to 2026.

hope they update spec list.

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Just a quick update about TPM. I did need it enabled to install.

 

I switched OC profiles in uefi and my "new" profile does not have it enabled.. yet here I am..

 

Not sure if that does anything for you.. but I am running 11 Pro atm. Hope they change more stuff.. its a little more cumbersome than it needs to be. But it does look nicer than 10, mostly.

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Well rip me, can't even find the appropriately sized ASUS TPM 2.0 modules for my board anymore.

 

29 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Interesting, I didn't know that, Microsoft forcing everyone to use TPM 1.2 at minimum really has me thinking they're doing it to force people into buying new PC's, its also easy marketing for MS to say it's a more secure OS.

If full fledged BitLocker drive encryption is made standard and enabled by default for all editions, then I'll give them a pass on that one as it was trivial to steal data off of a stolen Windows machine.  

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I have backed up everything with an IMAGE of the drive.  Now I am going to dare to try and UPGRADE INSTALL of windows 11 just to see what that is like.  

That said I am not liking some things I am hearing like not being able to move the taskbar etc etc.  

Also I predict that in a Windows 11.1 Live tiles will return because why not.  They have their use.  In a way this windows looks and feels like it is trying to be a Phone OS and I can see how that will be annoying on a PC that is not an ultra portable.  

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Windows 11 Insider Preview Thread is now live:

 

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9 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Yep though not in the traditional way. I have 11 on the internal SSD then Ubuntu running on a SATA SSD and I use GRUB to choose between Ubuntu or Windows. It works perfectly 🙂

TPM might be a problem. Many people have problem with the linux scheduler and grub(<2.0). 

 

 

 

Satya Nadella was correct when he said that it was a new era of windows. Now we will see new standards and old cruddy machines being thrown out the window(geddit?)

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12 minutes ago, Uttamattamakin said:

I have backed up everything with an IMAGE of the drive.  Now I am going to dare to try and UPGRADE INSTALL of windows 11 just to see what that is like.  

That said I am not liking some things I am hearing like not being able to move the taskbar etc etc.  

Also I predict that in a Windows 11.1 Live tiles will return because why not.  They have their use.  In a way this windows looks and feels like it is trying to be a Phone OS and I can see how that will be annoying on a PC that is not an ultra portable.  

nobody cared about live tiles.

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