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what if amd and nivida decided stopp selling gpus directly and started selling gpus on prebuilt system only to prevent cryptomminer buying all gpus.

how would u react if amd or nivida made such move and where unable anymore buy only buy new gpu for your computer from shop.

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Because they would lose 90%+ of their consumer sales for no reason it's not going to happen. Might as well implement photo id verification to limit it to 1 card per household per year or something equally as bad to stop scalpers too.

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Rule 1 of business, sell your product to as many people as possible for as much as possible.

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1 minute ago, aqarwaen29 said:

what if amd and nivida decided stopp selling gpus directly and started selling gpus on prebuilt system only to prevent cryptomminer buying all gpus.

1. They would never do that. AMD and NVidia's entire goal is to make money. Selling the cards individually gets them a lot of money.

2. Then prebuilts would be out of stock everywhere.

2 minutes ago, aqarwaen29 said:

how would u react if amd or nivida made such move and where unable anymore buy only buy new gpu for your computer from shop.

I would not care in the slightest.

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12 minutes ago, aqarwaen29 said:

how would u react if amd or nivida made such move and where unable anymore buy only buy new gpu for your computer from shop.

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It makes absolutely no sense from a business stand point. 

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15 minutes ago, aqarwaen29 said:

cryptomminer buying all gpus.

Do you have a source for this? I'm curious where you assume crypto miners are getting 100% of GPUs currently.

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

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It's amazing that people still don't get it ; companies are there to make money, they couldn't care less who buys the product. With the GPUs, they implement surface level things to make sure they have good PR and don't get too much shit from angry gamers, and that's it.

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In the HIGHLY unlikely event this ever happened, u'd just see a surge in people opening up small online ebay/amazon businesses with the sole purpose of buying up prebuilds, striping them down and selling parts individually.

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24 minutes ago, aqarwaen29 said:

what if amd and nivida decided stopp selling gpus directly and started selling gpus on prebuilt system only to prevent cryptomminer buying all gpus.

how would u react if amd or nivida made such move and where unable anymore buy only buy new gpu for your computer from shop.

I would be even more mad that I couldn't buy just a GPU than I am that I can't buy one at all at the moment.

2 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

In the HIGHLY unlikely event this ever happened, u'd just see a surge in people opening up small online ebay/amazon businesses with the sole purpose of buying up prebuilds, striping them down and selling parts individually.

Scalping 2.0 - complete PC shortage. I'd honestly be a bit surprised if this isn't a thing yet.

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"Hey Jensen? This is Lisa speaking."

"Oh, hi Lisa, long time since we've spoken. Congratulations on releasing FSR. Thanks for supporting our products with it as well. You guys are always so generous."

"You're welcome, Jensen. Listen, I have a proposal for you: Gamers are still really angry that they can't get any of our GPUs. Now both you and I know that gamers are the most powerful and important demographic on the planet. I mean, nobody can propel themselves into such a pants-shitting rage as fast and efficiently as them, so we need to do something to appease them, or I fear for our future."

"Sure, Lisa, I completely agree with you. The gamers must be appeased."

"Glad we're on the same page, Jensen. Anyway, my proposal to solve this problem is the following: What if we stop selling GPUs for retail customers?"

"Hm, sounds like a bold move, Lisa. You have my curiosity. Continue."

"Well, consider the following: We only sell GPUs to system Integrators from now on. That would mean that miners and scalpers wouldn't be able to just buy our GPUs anymore, they would have to buy the entire system."

"Oh Lisa, you're so smart. And I agree with you, we should totally try to artificially shrink the market. I'm tired of seeing all our stock selling out as quickly as we can produce it. I can't even spend all that money we're making on leather jackets anymore because there's a leather shortage ever since I started buying them all with our massive profits."

"Glad we're in agreement. Let's do it. I'm sure miners and scalpers won't just start buying all those prebuilts and still make a profit by using them for mining and reselling it later, that surely won't happen."

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It would be a good move if Nvidia was family business making cake or custom watches for small community of people

 

But the reality is they're more than happy when their products got sold literally less than second to people

Whether be scalpers, miner, or just normal buyers

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Ok, so assumptionon A on OPs behalf: this is true and miners buy all these GPUs.

 

Then logical assumption B is they will also buy all these prebuilts - for basically a very similar price or slightly more or less, doesnt matter its literally just peanuts to them.

 

Conclusion: OP did not think this through at all and this proposal would make it worse for everyone, except: miners 🤦

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12 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

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Good point, I think OP isn't aware that some miners started buying gaming laptops because they couldn't get their hands on GPUs at some point ... so getting a few pre-builds to harvest the GPU isn't out of the question.

 

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Zip up!  Your age is showing!  

 

No way a company is going to intentionally lose sales.  Unless its for a social justice reason lol. 

 

FYI, those same companies are selling miner direct.  Just google it.

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HAHA NO

 

unless...

 

oh wait prebuilts do this already...

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3 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

Good point, I think OP isn't aware that some miners started buying gaming laptops because they couldn't get their hands on GPUs at some point ... so getting a few pre-builds to harvest the GPU isn't out of the question.

Yup, I mean this is all very hypothetical anyways, because reality is this:

 

3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

FYI, those same companies are selling miner direct.  Just google it.

The "big" miners arent buying with "bots" or from "scalpers" they're buying directly from Nvidia (AMD) in bulk, I guess they would even get a nice discount as it cuts out pesky "retailers". 

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5 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

The "big" miners arent buying with "bots" or from "scalpers" they're buying directly from Nvidia (AMD) in bulk, I guess they would even get a nice discount as it cuts out pesky "retailers". 

Yup, and its NOT just the manufacturers.  Its also the third party as well.  Heck there are articles of MXM GPU's going direct to miners

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1 hour ago, aqarwaen29 said:

what if amd and nivida decided stopp selling gpus directly and started selling gpus on prebuilt system only to prevent cryptomminer buying all gpus.

how would u react if amd or nivida made such move and where unable anymore buy only buy new gpu for your computer from shop.

That wouldn't work because cryptominers would just buy prebuilt PC's. And if miners bought up prebuilts PC's they would buy up gaming laptops too, iirc MSI promoted their gaming laptops for cryptomining.

I'd like to see proof that miners are buying all of the GPU's, the shortage isn't just from mining, the pandemic has caused there to be a shortage of semiconductors and components, and the semiconductor shortage is so bad car manufacturers can't even make cars, so it isn't just mining.

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54 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

I'd like to see proof that miners are buying all of the GPU's, the shortage isn't just from mining, the pandemic has caused there to be a shortage of semiconductors and components, and the semiconductor shortage is so bad car manufacturers can't even make cars, so it isn't just mining.

i dont know the numbers but i think in steam surveys 3070 / 3080 already caught up with 1080/ti… or its at least close, so that means they're selling plenty to "gamers" the real issue is there arent any ~200-300$ bracket cards, which the majority would buy … and thats partly on Nvidia and AMD, they just realistically didnt release or even plan for such a card… 3060 could be it I guess, but they didnt really position it like that, of course partly an issue due to scalping etc, its just a reality imo, either you buy high end, or at least pay high end, or you buy ancient, long outdated ones. 

 

Basically what im saying the price gaps between high end - mid range and nonexisting low end was too small from the get go.

 

At least thats my impression.

 

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4 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

i dont know the numbers but i think in steam surveys 3070 / 3080 already caught up with 1080/ti… or its at least close, so that means they're selling plenty to "gamers" the real issue is there arent any ~200-300$ bracket cards, which the majority would buy … and thats partly on Nvidia and AMD, they just realistically didnt release or even plan for such a card… 3060 could be it I guess, but they didnt really position it like that, of course partly an issue due to scalping etc, its just a reality imo, either you buy high end, or at least pay high end, or you buy ancient, long outdated ones. 

 

Basically what im saying the price gaps between high end - mid range and nonexisting low end was too small from the get go.

 

At least thats my impression.

 

Yeah I agree the price gap between high end and mid range is too small, that has been a problem that has gotten worse since the RTX 2000 series as Nvidia moves their product stack into higher price tiers, the MSRP of a 2080 was $699 which was the same as a 1080Ti. For AMD the RX 5700 was $349, now they don't have anything in that price bracket with the 6700XT being $479. 

 

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Everyday I wish f***ing cypto would crash down and price these miners out the market.

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On 6/24/2021 at 5:53 AM, Amias said:

Everyday I wish f***ing cypto would crash down and price these miners out the market.

FOR THE LAST GOD DAMN TIME:

Its just not miners and crypto. there is a industry wide shortage of dram at the chip level, a work crisis in some areas, insane value over previous generations, its a insane mix of things 

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On 6/24/2021 at 6:53 AM, Amias said:

Everyday I wish f***ing cypto would crash down and price these miners out the market.

Crypto has crashed. Bitcoin was up to over $60K earlier this year, now its just above $31K. Id say thats a crash. While Bitcoin isn't mined on GPU's, it sets the tone for all other crypto. The thing is we also have a general chip shortage, a workers shortage and in some cases a resource shortage. If I recall Taiwan was having a drought and so TSMC was not able to have its Fab up to full production.  Keep in mind GPU's are not the only thing these chip fabs produce. 

 

Then capitalism kicked in and scalpers figured out they could make tons of money buying all the  GPU's and sell them for massive profit. This practice is not illegal, as long as its not a vital good or service. GPU's are not really a vital good, at least not gaming cards. 

I just want to sit back and watch the world burn. 

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