Why are new budget phone less powerful than a old flagship.

[Slipping Jimmy]

I'm looking to get a new phone. I was looking at Samsung.  A S10+ cost the or a little cheaper than the A32.

 

I know it has a better battery and camera. But cameras, I can care less about. I only take pictures for ebay and poshmark.

 

I always wondered why do people buy newer budget phones, when flagship from a year or 2 ago is cheaper, and have better specs.

 

So what are good flagship 1-2 years ago, that are sub $300 today?

Also is there a list of what phone have what updates. Or are getting OS updates, and for how long?

 

I don't want a Motorola. Because they get OS updates like 1 year after it comes out.

I was looking at the Moto G9 Power. It released with a 15 month old OS. And than 20 months later it got Android 11.

[tkitch]

most companies won't offer deals on the S10 anymore.

 

They will offer deals on the current gen A32, tho.

[Fasauceome]

24 minutes ago, Slipping Jimmy said:

why do people buy newer budget phones, when flagship from a year or 2 ago is cheaper

Not always. I couldn't get my hands on a replacement S8 instead of this A51 for the price.

[Slipping Jimmy]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Not always. I couldn't get my hands on a replacement S8 instead of this A51 for the price.

Ebay, Amazon.

In stores you won't. But they can always be bought online.

[dizmo]

9 minutes ago, Slipping Jimmy said:

Ebay, Amazon.

In stores you won't. But they can always be bought online.

Used or refurbished, maybe. Most people also go with the newer phones for newer versions of Android.

You also don't care about cameras, which a lot of people do.

 

I can't think of any flagships that are only 2 years old and under $300.

[SupaKomputa]

You can say the same with CPU.

Why the new i5 (10400) is better than the old i7 (7700k)?

 

Budget phone use better chipset, a tad lower than current flagship, but similar if not better than 2-3 years flagship.

Also competition in the camera and battery department is fierce, no one want to be the last one to adopt last year flagship features.

Adding more camera or bigger battery is easier, and sell a lot.

 

My current phone Redmi Note 10 pro: 104mpx, 5000mah battery, 120hz AMOLED, for only $250. Amazing.

[Slipping Jimmy]

5 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

You can say the same with CPU.

Why the new i5 (10400) is better than the old i7 (7700k)?

 

Budget phone use better chipset, a tad lower than current flagship, but similar if not better than 2-3 years flagship.

Also competition in the camera and battery department is fierce, no one want to be the last one to adopt last year flagship features.

Adding more camera or bigger battery is easier, and sell a lot.

 

My current phone Redmi Note 10 pro: 104mpx, 5000mah battery, 120hz AMOLED, for only $250. Amazing.

Budget phones do not have a better CPU. They are using 6 and 700 series CPU's.

2 year old flagships have 800 series CPU's.

Not all budget phone have a bigger battery.

More megapixels, does not always mean better pictures.

Some 1-2 year old flagships are just as good as some budget phone today.

[Slipping Jimmy]

16 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Used or refurbished, maybe. Most people also go with the newer phones for newer versions of Android.

You also don't care about cameras, which a lot of people do.

 

I can't think of any flagships that are only 2 years old and under $300.

If you search on bay and Amazon, you can easily find them,

[dizmo]

2 minutes ago, Slipping Jimmy said:

If you search on bay and Amazon, you can easily find them,

Where can I get a new S20 for $300? They're twice that on eBay.

[Slipping Jimmy]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Where can I get a new S20 for $300? They're twice that on eBay.

S10, not S20.

[dizmo]

1 minute ago, Slipping Jimmy said:

S10, not S20.

Right. A phone that's almost 3 years old. Not 1, barely 2.

[Fasauceome]

36 minutes ago, Slipping Jimmy said:

Ebay, Amazon.

In stores you won't. But they can always be bought online.

 Not brand new. Trust me I looked, I'm always checking third party sellers for my phone.

[SupaKomputa]

13 minutes ago, Slipping Jimmy said:

Budget phones do not have a better CPU. They are using 6 and 700 series CPU's.

2 year old flagships have 800 series CPU's.

Not all budget phone have a bigger battery.

More megapixels, does not always mean better pictures.

Some 1-2 year old flagships are just as good as some budget phone today.

The new SD 780g beating last year 855 in antutu.

Series are meaningless now, its like comparing old i7 vs new i3. 

Lower end chipset have it's benefit, mostly better battery life compared to flagship due to lower clock speed.

 

16 minutes ago, Slipping Jimmy said:

Not all budget phone have a bigger battery.

Which budget phones? they have classifications, higher budget, mid or low budget.

Most of the top tiers (A52 level) has at least 4000mah.

 

20 minutes ago, Slipping Jimmy said:

More megapixels, does not always mean better pictures.

Yeah, i totally agree, it's mostly just for marketing, but have you seen these the pictures?

You really can't tell the difference these days. Even budget phones can deliver decent pictures.

[Slipping Jimmy]

18 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Right. A phone that's almost 3 years old. Not 1, barely 2.

It's 2 years old, not 3.

[Slipping Jimmy]

18 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

The new SD 780g beating last year 855 in antutu.

Series are meaningless now, its like comparing old i7 vs new i3. 

Lower end chipset have it's benefit, mostly better battery life compared to flagship due to lower clock speed.

 

Which budget phones? they have classifications, higher budget, mid or low budget.

Most of the top tiers (A52 level) has at least 4000mah.

 

Yeah, i totally agree, it's mostly just for marketing, but have you seen these the pictures?

You really can't tell the difference these days. Even budget phones can deliver decent pictures.

Does a 8% difference really mean anything in the real world?

Manufactures have been cheating antutu before.

[SupaKomputa]

3 minutes ago, Slipping Jimmy said:

Does a 8% difference really mean anything in the real world?

Exactly...

$250 for a new phone vs $300 for an old flagship.

Its your choice.

[Slipping Jimmy]

5 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

Exactly...

$250 for a new phone vs $300 for an old flagship.

Its your choice.

When I said a S10+ to a A32.

That was only an example.

 

I was talking about something like $100 difference.

Something like a one plus.

[Slipping Jimmy]

47 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

Exactly...

$250 for a new phone vs $300 for an old flagship.

Its your choice.

I should have said mid range, not budget.

There's other benchmarks that shows older flagships betting budget phones.

[dizmo]

3 hours ago, Slipping Jimmy said:

I should have said mid range, not budget.

There's other benchmarks that shows older flagships betting budget phones.

There's a massive issue with that, and that's that SoCs do MUCH more than just things that can be figured out by benchmarks like Antutu. Higher end SoCs take better pictures, handle other things better, have better modems, etc etc.

 

They're 2 1/2 years old. That's quite a bit older than a year.

[Slipping Jimmy]

On 6/19/2021 at 11:40 PM, huilun02 said:

There is no problem here

 

Go ahead and buy older flagships if its what you want and the price is good

 

Market conditions, availability and price of goods is not the same everywhere

I still don't see a difference.

 

On 6/19/2021 at 9:47 PM, dizmo said:

There's a massive issue with that, and that's that SoCs do MUCH more than just things that can be figured out by benchmarks like Antutu. Higher end SoCs take better pictures, handle other things better, have better modems, etc etc.

 

They're 2 1/2 years old. That's quite a bit older than a year.

Still nothing wrong with a 2 year old phone. When they can keep up with todays phones.

I'm still using a 6 year old iPad mini 4.

[dizmo]

33 minutes ago, Slipping Jimmy said:

Still nothing wrong with a 2 year old phone. When they can keep up with todays phones.

I'm still using a 6 year old iPad mini 4.

I didn't say there was. Simply pointing out your claim isn't really accurate. 

[Slipping Jimmy]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

I didn't say there was. Simply pointing out your claim isn't really accurate. 

I don't know where that previous person got their Antutu info from. The 855 and Exynos 9820 perform more than 50% better then the Helio.

The 2 phone I were looking at, A32 and S10+. The 10+ have a better CPU. And out perform the Helio in most benchmarks by 50% or more.

 

So how is the Helio better than an 855?

[dizmo]

On 6/21/2021 at 2:03 PM, Slipping Jimmy said:

I don't know where that previous person got their Antutu info from. The 855 and Exynos 9820 perform more than 50% better then the Helio.

The 2 phone I were looking at, A32 and S10+. The 10+ have a better CPU. And out perform the Helio in most benchmarks by 50% or more.

 

So how is the Helio better than an 855?

Like I said. Antutu isn't the end all be all of how a phone is going to feel on a day to day basis. Also, the thing I was referencing was that your pricing suggestions are flat out wrong.

[Beat_my_Laptop]

On 6/19/2021 at 3:33 PM, Slipping Jimmy said:

I always wondered why do people buy newer budget phones, when flagship from a year or 2 ago is cheaper, and have better specs.

I was looking at the Moto G9 Power. It released with a 15 month old OS. And than 20 months later it got Android 11.

Because a year or two out cheaper flagship phones are mostly resale, refurbs, shady sellers, & excluded from the attractive network plan deals. They also have a shorter lifespan of updates. What do you need a flagship (or that level of specs) for anyways? 

My experience with phones has always been that the flagships will be consistently outmoded, the budget tier has surprises.

Bought a moto g after android 11, still holds up, all day streaming battery, a cpu so fast I've never waited more than 10 seconds to download an app, & a camera almost as good as the pixel 3a

[The Real LWK]

On 6/20/2021 at 3:33 AM, Slipping Jimmy said:

I'm looking to get a new phone. I was looking at Samsung.  A S10+ cost the or a little cheaper than the A32.

 

I know it has a better battery and camera. But cameras, I can care less about. I only take pictures for ebay and poshmark.

 

I always wondered why do people buy newer budget phones, when flagship from a year or 2 ago is cheaper, and have better specs.

 

So what are good flagship 1-2 years ago, that are sub $300 today?

Also is there a list of what phone have what updates. Or are getting OS updates, and for how long?

 

I don't want a Motorola. Because they get OS updates like 1 year after it comes out.

I was looking at the Moto G9 Power. It released with a 15 month old OS. And than 20 months later it got Android 11.

I never go for older phones or refurbished, for 2 reasons. 

 

1. Older phones even you get them new the batteries have been deteriorating for that 1-2 years. So you'll have to spend more getting a Replacement battery. *note * the second reply also applies to this. 

 

2. Refurbished phones usually had their batteries replaced that means the seal has to be opened. That means the ip 67 does not apply anymore nor does it's original warranty.