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Question about the chip shortage

The 3080ti just launched and is already selling for way above MSRP.

 

Ethereum is down. The cards have limiters on them, even though they will be bypassed.

It's been months since the other cards launched, so I would assume there is some amount of market saturation.

AMD and Intel seem to have stock of CPUs

 

Is the supply still so low that scalpers are buying them all?

Are they still so profitable that miners are buying them all?

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5 minutes ago, StarsMars said:

so I would assume there is some amount of market saturation.

Then you're wrong, no sign of such thing yet.

 

5 minutes ago, StarsMars said:

Is the supply still so low that scalpers are buying them all?

Supply is not low, it's demand that is super high.

 

6 minutes ago, StarsMars said:

Are they still so profitable that miners are buying them all?

Yes. 

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6 minutes ago, StarsMars said:

Is the supply still so low that scalpers are buying them all?

Are they still so profitable that miners are buying them all?

Yes to both

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5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Then you're wrong, no sign of such thing yet.

 

Supply is not low, it's demand that is super high.

 

Yes. 

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5 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

Yes to both

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Additionally, it's not just graphics card affected by the shortage. You probably already know by now that even cars are being delayed because of chip shortages, so even if the profitability of mining goes away don't expect GPUs at MSRP soon.

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Mining is still profitable, even after the crash, and even with the hash limiters. However, the 30-series shortage isn't all mining related anyways.

 

The real problem is supply of wafer and VRAM. Specifically, the 3080 Ti is mostly just a 3090 with half the VRAM, which lets Nvidia produce two for every one it would have been able to make previously. As far as wafer goes, Nvidia went with Samsung 8nm instead of the very contained TSMC 7nm, specifically trying to avoid that constraint, and instead ran into Samsung fab being nearly equally constrained due to the demand.

 

The launch sellout, though, is all scalper driven. These bottom feeding wastes of oxygen parasites grab everything new. I think overall the 3080 Ti will have better availability than previous models, but it may take a bit to even out.

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17 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes. 

Miners may still be buying them, but far from "them all"

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4 minutes ago, curiousmind34 said:

Additionally, it's not just graphics card affected by the shortage. You probably already know by now that even cars are being delayed because of chip shortages, so even if the profitability of mining goes away don't expect GPUs at MSRP soon.

That's technically an entirely different issue. That's 32nm, and it's not really any more constrained than it ever was. The problem for car manufacturers, in particular, is that they vastly underestimated demand, assuming the pandemic would kill car sales. Instead, demand for cars is actually higher than normal, but they've already lost their fab allocation. In other words, it's a self-inflicted wound, caused not by a true shortage, but from shorted orders.

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39 minutes ago, curiousmind34 said:

Additionally, it's not just graphics card affected by the shortage. You probably already know by now that even cars are being delayed because of chip shortages, so even if the profitability of mining goes away don't expect GPUs at MSRP soon.

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36 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

The launch sellout, though, is all scalper driven. These bottom feeding wastes of oxygen parasites grab everything new. I think overall the 3080 Ti will have better availability than previous models, but it may take a bit to even out.

They may as well use be dead at those prices. I'm surprised people are buying them at those prices.

34 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Miners may still be buying them, but far from "them all"

hmm

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When it comes to the current GPU market, in addition to all the factors that everyone lists., I think people are forgetting that we're coming out of an economic downturn and stimulus, not just in the US but worldwide, put a lot of cash in hand. During economic downturns, one of the only sectors of the economy that doesn't usually see as much of a negative effect is luxury goods and services. High end GPU's most definitely fall into the category of luxury goods.

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