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Everybody hates the windows store: Microsoft releases it's own *nix like package manager, bypassing the windows store.

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Summary

Microsoft has released it's first stable version of it's package manager called "winget". While package managers are no new thing for windows users(chocolatey), an official microsoft release might finally bring this beloved feature of *nix operating systems to the masses. winget has multiple commands, including install, search, uninstall and upgrade. It also the second microsoft provided way to install software(not counting edge). Also it also raises some questions about the windows store, as this method bypasses the windows store.

 

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The Windows Package Manager is known as “winget,” the command you use to launch it. It’s easy to use: Typing winget install firefox will download and install the Firefox browser automatically.

 

My thoughts

Megan's "Interesting" | Know Your Meme

 

I am also interested by the conflict b/w winget and windows store.

 

Sources

Windows' winget package manager bypasses the Microsoft Store | PCWorld

Microsoft releases the Linux-style Windows Package Manager v1.0 (Winget) as a Store alternative (betanews.com)

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So windows is slowly becoming linux

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Just now, BuckGup said:

So windows is slowly becoming linux

I'm hoping that Microsoft eventually ditches the NT kernel and just uses the Linux kernel, with "Windows" as basically a desktop environment with a really solid, proprietary version of Wine, along with a bunch of proprietary drivers and utilities. For people who don't care about free-as-in-speech software, such an OS would be ideal for just about every application.

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This is going to make my life SO much easier if it works as smoothly as on linux.

No more phone calls to install firefox or jabber... Just a remote powershell session.

 

This does beg the question of whether or not admins will be able to upload their own packages to it for domain machines? If it was integrated with intune, it would be pretty awesome, but I doubt MS is that forward looking.

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7 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

I'm hoping that Microsoft eventually ditches the NT kernel and just uses the Linux kernel, with "Windows" as basically a desktop environment with a really solid, proprietary version of Wine, along with a bunch of proprietary drivers and utilities. For people who don't care about free-as-in-speech software, such an OS would be ideal for just about every application.

That seems pretty counter productive on Microsofts part but with WHSL perhaps

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3 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

That seems pretty counter productive on Microsofts part but with WHSL perhaps

Not if it improved marketshare in the server space. Companies are already willing to pay for Linux support via Red Hat, Canonical, etc. They could switch to Windows Server, giving them Microsoft's support, while knowing that all of their Linux applications would have native support, plus they would have access to Microsoft's applications for managing Windows machines (which is pretty much the only reason any company uses Windows Server over Linux).

 

If Microsoft got Windows applications working just as well under this hypothetical Windows+Linux as in Windows 10, I think it could allow them to start making actual headway in the server space. Especially if they priced it competitively against Red Hat and Ubuntu Server.

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Woot!
I've tried the MS store for 2 apps. GFE and the 10X emulator image.

Both times it failed to install. Can't wait to ditch it.

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OK so for a windows junkie like myself, can someone explain the concept of the package manager? it sounds more complicated to me than just installing a program. Why do i want to go into CLI just to install something? Does every program have to work through package manager, or can anyone still make a program for linux and distribute through a .exe file? 

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55 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

So windows is slowly becoming linux

*nix anyway.

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

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4 minutes ago, Jtalk4456 said:

OK so for a windows junkie like myself, can someone explain the concept of the package manager? it sounds more complicated to me than just installing a program. Why do i want to go into CLI just to install something? Does every program have to work through package manager, or can anyone still make a program for linux and distribute through a .exe file? 

The advantage of package managers is they better replace installation and uninstallation wizards which are famous for various problems.  If windows used a package manager DDU would never have even been a thing.

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31 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

Not if it improved marketshare in the server space. Companies are already willing to pay for Linux support via Red Hat, Canonical, etc. They could switch to Windows Server, giving them Microsoft's support, while knowing that all of their Linux applications would have native support, plus they would have access to Microsoft's applications for managing Windows machines (which is pretty much the only reason any company uses Windows Server over Linux).

 

If Microsoft got Windows applications working just as well under this hypothetical Windows+Linux as in Windows 10, I think it could allow them to start making actual headway in the server space. Especially if they priced it competitively against Red Hat and Ubuntu Server.

I think the per core pricing really turned many away. If you have a cluster with 10,000 cores and it's $2,000/core per year that's a huge investment in essentially something you don't and won't ever own

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6 minutes ago, Jtalk4456 said:

OK so for a windows junkie like myself, can someone explain the concept of the package manager? it sounds more complicated to me than just installing a program. Why do i want to go into CLI just to install something? Does every program have to work through package manager, or can anyone still make a program for linux and distribute through a .exe file? 

Additionally to @Bombastinator's very accurate explanation, you are downloading from a known reliable source, so you don't have to worry about where you are downloading from.

Additionally, this is a boon for tech support, as an admin can remotely issue commands to get software installed without having to worry about having the packages accessible on a network drive or anything messy like that.

 

A normal user might never have to use this, and there's no shame in that, but in the long run it should be super helpful.

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51 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

That seems pretty counter productive on Microsofts part but with WHSL perhaps

I suspect “stable” doesn’t mean “release”. It’s possibly still somewhere in pre-release land.  There’s nothing stopping microsoft from selling package based stuff through the windows store. Apple, for example has used package managers since the beginning of OSX. It’s an OG Unix thing. Everything in the Apple store uses package managers and has since the Apple store has been around.  My suspicion is by the time this actually hits release package based apps will simply be in the windows store for sale.

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8 minutes ago, Jtalk4456 said:

OK so for a windows junkie like myself, can someone explain the concept of the package manager? it sounds more complicated to me than just installing a program. Why do i want to go into CLI just to install something? Does every program have to work through package manager, or can anyone still make a program for linux and distribute through a .exe file? 

I'm also unclear on what problem is being solved by this. I've been installing and uninstalling stuff for decades and of all the issues with Windows, this one seems trivial.

My guess it is less a technical one but rather a means to centralise and control what gets installed.

 

Personally I'd prefer a movement towards "portable" stand-alone programmes which I guess is the opposite of the current method and the proposed one.

 

 

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Just now, Rex Hite said:

I'm also unclear on what problem is being solved by this. I've been installing and uninstalling stuff for decades and of all the issues with Windows, this one seems trivial.

My guess it is less a technical one but rather a means to centralise and control what gets installed.

 

Personally I'd prefer a movement towards "portable" stand-alone programmes which I guess is the opposite of the current method and the proposed one.

 

 

You know how you get a new windows machine and have to find a bunch of programs and run them one at a time and do reboots and whatnot? A package manager does away with all that crap and lets you run a couple commands and boom, all your programs are installed in one go and you can reboot in one swoop, no more clicking next and whatnot 100 times. Sure it's different but it's really efficient not only for bulk install but keeping things updated AND removing them as well since the package manager takes care of that and you just run a command (on linux) and update everything when you want or just update some things and wait on others depending on what you need to do.

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1 hour ago, FakeNSA said:

This is going to make my life SO much easier if it works as smoothly as on linux.

No more phone calls to install firefox or jabber... Just a remote powershell session.

 

This does beg the question of whether or not admins will be able to upload their own packages to it for domain machines? If it was integrated with intune, it would be pretty awesome, but I doubt MS is that forward looking.

If it's anything like Chocolately then yes you can* use your own repo too.

 

*pending any microsoft failures to do it right 😛

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Microsoft Store is already there. Instead of reinventing the whole thing, why not just make it less stupid and clunky? Make it faster, easier to navigate, give users ability to have favorites and create packages that could be installed with single click. And all in comfort of GUI. Last thing I want is to have stupidity from Linux to take over aka spending more time in god damn Consoles/Terminal than actually comfortably using the damn thing.

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17 minutes ago, Lurick said:

You know how you get a new windows machine and have to find a bunch of programs and run them one at a time and do reboots and whatnot? A package manager does away with all that crap and lets you run a couple commands and boom, all your programs are installed in one go and you can reboot in one swoop, no more clicking next and whatnot 100 times. Sure it's different but it's really efficient not only for bulk install but keeping things updated AND removing them as well since the package manager takes care of that and you just run a command (on linux) and update everything when you want or just update some things and wait on others depending on what you need to do.

That sounds great and very convenient.

I can certainly see why Microsoft and the  software vendors would prefer a unified centralised system. It seems like a natural path for the way things are going.

It's not for me. I tend to the opposite and un-tether myself as much as I can. The idea of having to be connected online just to do trivial things on my workstations like installing something is for me a non-starter.

But I do see the benefits for many users and vendors.

 

 

 

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Lurick said:

If it's anything like Chocolately then yes you can* use your own repo too.

 

*pending any microsoft failures to do it right 😛

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1 hour ago, Lurick said:

You know how you get a new windows machine and have to find a bunch of programs and run them one at a time and do reboots and whatnot? A package manager does away with all that crap and lets you run a couple commands and boom, all your programs are installed in one go and you can reboot in one swoop, no more clicking next and whatnot 100 times. Sure it's different but it's really efficient not only for bulk install but keeping things updated AND removing them as well since the package manager takes care of that and you just run a command (on linux) and update everything when you want or just update some things and wait on others depending on what you need to do.

Question though, how does this work with control over WHAT comes in an installation? Maybe this is a non issue with a package manager, but I know in most software, they'll bundle extra stuff in or have default settings that add this or that and you need to uncheck while installing. If it's just a single package from command line, do you have control over what gets installed or how the settings default? 

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3 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

Does this mean they are going to drop store? Its about time they ditched that dead weight along with the preinstalled junkware phone apps.....

My guess is that they will make the Microsoft store the frontend for winget.

Both Microsoft and Google have been talking talking about having "stores within stores". That coupled with the rumors that Windows might get the ability to run Android apps makes me believe they will soon launch a complete redesign of the store, where the backend is similar to *nix like repositories, and then let anyone (Google, Epic, Valve or whoever) plug in their store system into it.

I think that would be great.

 

2 hours ago, Jtalk4456 said:

OK so for a windows junkie like myself, can someone explain the concept of the package manager? it sounds more complicated to me than just installing a program. Why do i want to go into CLI just to install something? Does every program have to work through package manager, or can anyone still make a program for linux and distribute through a .exe file? 

Installing Firefox with winget:

1) Open powershell.

2) Type in "winget install firefox".

3) Press enter.

 

Installing Firefox the traditional way:

1) Open your browser.

2) Go to Google.com

3) Search for Firefox.

4) Avoid the ads at the top of the results.

5) Click on download, hopefully the auto detect feature worked and it downloads the correct version for your OS.

6) Agree to save the file, or run it directly.

7) Click next a couple of times.

8 ) Finally press install.

 

Now multiply this with however many programs you want to install. Not to mention it becomes extremely hard to automate. That's why sites like Ninite are popular, but ninite only has a very limited amount of programs it supports.

 

A package manager also takes care of dependencies that might be needed (so if you try and install a program that requires let's say python 2.7 to work, winget will also download and install python 2.7 for you). It also makes uninstalling things easier since it will also keep track of which dependencies becomes unnecessary and uninstall those for you (if Microsoft implements that).

oh and if you want to update your programs you can do it with a simple command too. Wanna update Firefox? Just run "winget upgrade firefox". Want to upgrade all your programs to the latest recommended version? "winget upgrade --all".

 

Another benefit is that you get the program from a trusted source. Ever tried to instruct someone to install something over the phone? They often Google the name of the program, and then click on some ad or some unofficial website. I just tried searching for "firefox" with adblock disabled, on Bing (the default search engine) and the first result is Vivaldi. It would be very easy for someone who don't know what they are doing to accidentally click and download Vivaldi instead of Firefox. Just a couple of results down is a link for "mozilla-firefox.en.softonic.com/download" as well. That website is full of fake download buttons and I am not even sure if they are hosting the unmodified installer for Firefox. For all I know, it could be hosting malware.

 

And to answer your question. Yes, you can make a program for GNU/Linux (and Windows, and MacOS) that can be installed without using a package manager. For example if you go to Mozilla and download Firefox for Linux, you will get a .tar file which contains the files necessary to install Firefox.

 

 

 

  

1 hour ago, Lurick said:

You know how you get a new windows machine and have to find a bunch of programs and run them one at a time and do reboots and whatnot? A package manager does away with all that crap and lets you run a couple commands and boom, all your programs are installed in one go and you can reboot in one swoop, no more clicking next and whatnot 100 times. Sure it's different but it's really efficient not only for bulk install but keeping things updated AND removing them as well since the package manager takes care of that and you just run a command (on linux) and update everything when you want or just update some things and wait on others depending on what you need to do.

I think CLIs are so intimidating to some people that they would rather click through 40 different menus than write 4 words in a CLI to accomplish the same result.

But my guess is that the Microsoft store will become a frontend for winget so people will have a GUI if they so desire.

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9 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

My guess is that they will make the Microsoft store the frontend for winget.

Both Microsoft and Google have been talking talking about having "stores within stores". That coupled with the rumors that Windows might get the ability to run Android apps makes me believe they will soon launch a complete redesign of the store, where the backend is similar to *nix like repositories, and then let anyone (Google, Epic, Valve or whoever) plug in their store system into it.

I think that would be great.

 

Installing Firefox with winget:

1) Open powershell.

2) Type in "winget install firefox".

3) Press enter.

 

Installing Firefox the traditional way:

1) Open your browser.

2) Go to Google.com

3) Search for Firefox.

4) Avoid the ads at the top of the results.

5) Click on download, hopefully the auto detect feature worked and it downloads the correct version for your OS.

6) Agree to save the file, or run it directly.

7) Click next a couple of times.

8 ) Finally press install.

 

Now multiply this with however many programs you want to install. Not to mention it becomes extremely hard to automate. That's why sites like Ninite are popular, but ninite only has a very limited amount of programs it supports.

 

A package manager also takes care of dependencies that might be needed (so if you try and install a program that requires let's say python 2.7 to work, winget will also download and install python 2.7 for you). It also makes uninstalling things easier since it will also keep track of which dependencies becomes unnecessary and uninstall those for you (if Microsoft implements that).

oh and if you want to update your programs you can do it with a simple command too. Wanna update Firefox? Just run "winget upgrade firefox". Want to upgrade all your programs to the latest recommended version? "winget upgrade --all".

 

Another benefit is that you get the program from a trusted source. Ever tried to instruct someone to install something over the phone? They often Google the name of the program, and then click on some ad or some unofficial website. I just tried searching for "firefox" with adblock disabled, on Bing (the default search engine) and the first result is Vivaldi. It would be very easy for someone who don't know what they are doing to accidentally click and download Vivaldi instead of Firefox. Just a couple of results down is a link for "mozilla-firefox.en.softonic.com/download" as well. That website is full of fake download buttons and I am not even sure if they are hosting the unmodified installer for Firefox. For all I know, it could be hosting malware.

 

And to answer your question. Yes, you can make a program for GNU/Linux (and Windows, and MacOS) that can be installed without using a package manager. For example if you go to Mozilla and download Firefox for Linux, you will get a .tar file which contains the files necessary to install Firefox.

I can definitely see the dependencies thing being amazing! I don't find the typical install as complicated as you lay it out, but having told someone non inclined to install something, I can definitely get the difference. For a home user though I worry CLI would be overwhelming for many. The type that would benefit most from a simplified install would have to learn CLI and memorize commands. Maybe I'm overthinking here...

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7 minutes ago, Jtalk4456 said:

I can definitely see the dependencies thing being amazing! I don't find the typical install as complicated as you lay it out, but having told someone non inclined to install something, I can definitely get the difference. For a home user though I worry CLI would be overwhelming for many. The type that would benefit most from a simplified install would have to learn CLI and memorize commands. Maybe I'm overthinking here...

Yeah, I don't think my grandma is the target audience for the CLI version of winget. Telling her "open powershell and type in these commands" will not end well... However, if I or someone else is helping her then it will safe us time. The CLI version is for power-users.

 

Like I said in my post, my guess is that the Microsoft Store will become a frontend for winget.

When you click "update all" in the Microsoft store, it will execute the "winget upgrade --all" command in the backend. when you click "install" on the Firefox store page, it will run "winget install firefox", and so on.

 

It's no secret that the Windows Store in its current form is trash. Barely anyone uses it. winget is more widely supported by developers than the Microsoft Store, and winget hasn't even been in beta (let alone stable) for more than a year.

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