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[UPDATES] Facebook, Instagram, Twitter could get blocked in India tomorrow[6 months now]

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After a certain controversy related to user privacy and data collection. The government asked social media companies to comply certain guidelines, with the deadline ending today, but companies like Facebook and Twitter still haven't

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Three months back, the central government had issued comprehensive guidelines for social media and further asked companies like Facebook, Instagram, and other companies to comply with these rules before May 25. 

 

 

However, none of the top social media companies except Koo have reportedly adhered to the new rules. This raises a very serious question of whether these companies are not taking the government guidelines seriously or they are not willing to do it. 

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 https://zeenews.india.com/technology/will-social-media-companies-like-facebook-instagram-twitter-be-blocked-in-2-days-2364133.html

 

My thoughts

It's still not known what are the guidelines properly, but what we do know, it's about user privacy and the data collected from Indian users.

So if they aren't willing to do it, then they should release a official statement about it and why they don't want to, but if they aren't taking the matter seriously, it becomes as same as telling the government "we don't give a F about your concerns", it would also mean that the tech giants running these social media platforms don't care about loosing a large part of their userbase. Still at the deadline is till 0:0 AM (12 PM) 26th May (India standard time, +5:30 GMT), and the time of editing this article it's 6 PM here, so they still have a quarter of day left, they should either agree and comply the guidelines, or release a official statement refusing to do so.

UPDATES!!!!

It's almost 9 hours past deadline at the time I'm editing this article, and the news sources got a update from government sources.

 

 

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The government sources said that these social media companies are coming up with several excuses like seeking more time, up to six months, for furnishing compliance whereas others have claimed that they are waiting for instruction from US headquarters.  

 

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51 minutes ago, TheReal1980 said:

I think if they banned these "things" then it would be a boost in mental health for everyone in India.

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Blocking of social media... where else have I seen this before?

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Are these just words of will it actually happen? Fecesbook, Twatter and Instacrap are all cancer and there is no cure.

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1 hour ago, SeAsOn3 said:

I run a memepage on Instagram, and it's time I kill my retardness

Its alright, if india shuts it down you can prolly still access it with a vpn server located outside your country,

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The Indian government could be being petty or capricious in this case, but I fail to see how this would really be a net-negative. 

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58 minutes ago, duncannah said:

Blocking of social media... where else have I seen this before?

Where you saw this before:

"I hate you cuz y'all American, you'll probably spread propaganda, i'mma fuckin ban you"

 

In this case:

"Hey seems like your data collection is kinda suspicious lately, we made some guidelines, please comply em before the deadline" *few months later* "looks like you haven't responded anything and the deadline ended so guess we'll take that as a refusal, so you may leave our country now"

 

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3 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

The Indian government could be being petty or capricious in this case, but I fail to see how this would really be a net-negative. 

The Indian government just asked the companies to comply the guidelines, but the companies didn't responded, so as per the rules, they'll have to block em. But still not responding shows that the tech giants don't take the Indian government seriously.

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5 hours ago, SeAsOn3 said:

It's still not known what are the guidelines properly, but what we do know, it's about user privacy and the data collected from Indian users.

There are at least bits of it that searchable (at least in english articles).  They need to create a compliance officer, have an official person/people to deal with all law enforcement, have someone who deals with grievances, a monthly report, and have a physical address that can be accessed by people.

 

This isn't something major companies can just enact in 3 months (given that there are hints at more laborious terms).  e.g. The ability to identify the "first originator of the information".  Could be wrong, but under that meaning that could mean that the government could use that track down offenders of things they don't like.  [Just remember, it was earlier this month that it was asked of social media giants to remove all references to the "Indian Variant"]

 

Depending how this is worded, it could also mean less user privacy and more data collected....after all, if you need to identify the originator of information that would mean you can't use E2E encryption on messages.  You need to monitor those messages, and have the ability to search the user base of messages for that information.

 

Ultimately I will say this, from what I've seen of this new rules it is not about user privacy in the sense that I think you are using it.  The changes that would be required of the companies would effectively result in more tracking of the users as there needs to be traceability.

 

4 minutes ago, SeAsOn3 said:

The Indian government just asked the companies to comply the guidelines, but the companies didn't responded, so as per the rules, they'll have to block em. But still not responding shows that the tech giants don't take the Indian government seriously.

You do realize that some of them have responded?  As I've said above as well, this was all done within 3 months and it's not exactly something that major tech companies could comply with in such a short time.  A note as well, the headline of the article you posted is very miss-leading.  They won't be blocked, they just lose their immunity that they have (ie they become the publisher)

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I frankly do not believe that the Indian government will really be banning these platforms tomorrow. Such regulations are always implemented arbitrarily -- just have a look what is going on b/w OTT platforms and the government in India.

 

Even if the Indian government does go ahead with the banning, it will probably be only Twitter, in my opinion. But chances of even that happening are minuscule.

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Updates, the companies finally responded, (in the article).

 

Well seems that the companies are wanting more time which is kind of ok. But some are also saying they are depending on US headquarters for instructions. It's kinda sad, that this companies collect profits in India, still depend on US instructions.

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13 hours ago, CTR640 said:

Are these just words of will it actually happen? Fecesbook, Twatter and Instacrap are all cancer and there is no cure.

Ya, instagram was good before Facebook got their hands on it, and pseudo-feminism, being lazy as body positivity, people flexing their fake lifestyles, it's still a good place where people show their creativity (even I to till this date, use it show my humour creativity thru memes which only reach to 1000 people only thanks to insta) but the previously mentioned people have filled the platform with so much poop that the good things got covered by those shit.

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2 minutes ago, TheGreenBeam said:

WhatsApp is apparently suing the Indian government over the new rules saying that implementing the new rules would mean end to privacy for its users.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-whatsapp-india-lawsuit-exclusive/exclusive-whatsapp-sues-india-government-says-new-media-rules-mean-end-to-privacy-sources-idUSKCN2D707T

Privacy ended when they forced the Facebook data sharing on everyone

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5 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

Privacy ended when they forced the Facebook data sharing on everyone

WhatsApp started calling themselves end to end encrypted only after a controversy where certain entities claimed that the message data were being given to Facebook.

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Very disappointed that the Indian government did not go ahead with the ban just to show that they mean business. I promise you that all employees in their American HQs are sipping on wine currently while laughing at India. They will most likely just "take more time" and then come back with excuses instead of changes. There is no need to bump this thread any further.

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On 5/25/2021 at 1:06 PM, SeAsOn3 said:

The government sources said that these social media companies are coming up with several excuses like seeking more time

Happened with GDPR,even though they had 2 years to comply with it.

The European Union ignored their calls for more time - because if you give them an inch they will take a mile.

8 hours ago, SeAsOn3 said:

Updates, the companies finally responded, (in the article).

 

Well seems that the companies are wanting more time which is kind of ok. But some are also saying they are depending on US headquarters for instructions. It's kinda sad, that this companies collect profits in India, still depend on US instructions.

I think that the law should be enforced,they had time and failed to comply.

I am an EU citizen and there are still websites that are blocked here because they don't comply with GDPR (They blocked us themselves since they didn't want the EU to come after them)

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I've been reading the limited amount of information available regarding this Indian law and it does NOT at all seem to be about privacy or protecting people.

I mean, the government tries to force companies to track things like who post what so that the government can track down the source of claims. I really don't see how that is meant to improve privacy for Indian users. Seems like the opposite to me.

 

 

Let's remember that the Indian government has been trying to get a lot of negative news about them removed from the Internet, quoting "security of state and public order" as the reason for why they want it removed.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-asks-twitter-take-down-some-tweets-critical-its-covid-19-handling-2021-04-24/

 

The Indian government seems to have taken a look at China and went "oh wow, they have so much control over social media. We want that too". Then they say they need all these new laws and rules in order to help their people. Yeah right...

 

Also, the new rules were only announced 90 days before they went into effect. If we are going to liken it to GDPR (which we really shouldn't because they are pretty much the exact opposite to one another), companies had 2 years to implement it. Not 90 days.

 

 

Here are some of the new rules social media platforms have to follow:

  • A "grievance redressal mechanism". I had to look this up but it's apparently quite common in India. Basically, it's a system where people can complain to a company about something. Seems pretty fair to demand that if you ask me.
  • Appoint new executives whose responsibility is to coordinate with law enforcement.
  • Remove content within 36 hours of receiving an order from the Indian government. So basically, if the government doesn't like something, then it should be removed within 3 days. This is very, very bad.
  • Companies will be required to assist in probes or other cyber secuirty-related incidents within 72 hours of a request from the government.
  • Social media sites will have 1 day to remove any post depicting an individual in a sexual act or conduct. For those wondering, pornography is illegal in India and the government has previously tried to get pornographic websites blocked but failed. 
  • Companies has to be able to track the "originator of a message or post" if the Indian government requests to see who posted something.

 

This happened because Twitter refused to comply with the Indian governments' demands to remove some tweets about the farmer's protests in India.

 

Also, companies have not refused to comply or answer questions.

Facebook said they welcomed the rules.

WhatsApp initially declined to comment but their lawsuit kind of does the speaking for them.

Twitter said they would have to study the rules before they commented on them.

 

Source: Reuter

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14 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

I've been reading the limited amount of information available regarding this Indian law and it does NOT at all seem to be about privacy or protecting people.

I mean, the government tries to force companies to track things like who post what so that the government can track down the source of claims. I really don't see how that is meant to improve privacy for Indian users. Seems like the opposite to me.

 

 

Let's remember that the Indian government has been trying to get a lot of negative news about them removed from the Internet, quoting "security of state and public order" as the reason for why they want it removed.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-asks-twitter-take-down-some-tweets-critical-its-covid-19-handling-2021-04-24/

 

The Indian government seems to have taken a look at China and went "oh wow, they have so much control over social media. We want that too". Then they say they need all these new laws and rules in order to help their people. Yeah right...

 

Also, the new rules were only announced 90 days before they went into effect. If we are going to liken it to GDPR (which we really shouldn't because they are pretty much the exact opposite to one another), companies had 2 years to implement it. Not 90 days.

Yeah,I just managed to find the official guidlines:

india-it-law.jpg

Basically India wants to regulate social media and have it follow Indian laws and rules,controlling their operations in India.

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9 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

Privacy ended when they forced the Facebook data sharing on everyone

As per the new rules, WhatsApp will be required to share the "first originator of information", and for them it means breaking the end-to-end encryption and tracing its users. This would essentially require to maintain a traceable database of all private chats on its platform. What little privacy there was will cease to exist.

 

The government framed the privacy laws so badly that even Facebook-owned WhatsApp is talking about privacy & decided to sue them. Just think about it.

 

I know there are no good guys here, but it's just really ironic.

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On 5/25/2021 at 4:36 PM, SeAsOn3 said:

Summary

After a certain controversy related to user privacy and data collection. The government asked social media companies to comply certain guidelines, with the deadline ending today, but companies like Facebook and Twitter still haven't

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Sources

 https://zeenews.india.com/technology/will-social-media-companies-like-facebook-instagram-twitter-be-blocked-in-2-days-2364133.html

 

My thoughts

It's still not known what are the guidelines properly, but what we do know, it's about user privacy and the data collected from Indian users.

So if they aren't willing to do it, then they should release a official statement about it and why they don't want to, but if they aren't taking the matter seriously, it becomes as same as telling the government "we don't give a F about your concerns", it would also mean that the tech giants running these social media platforms don't care about loosing a large part of their userbase. Still at the deadline is till 0:0 AM (12 PM) 26th May (India standard time, +5:30 GMT), and the time of editing this article it's 6 PM here, so they still have a quarter of day left, they should either agree and comply the guidelines, or release a official statement refusing to do so.

UPDATES!!!!

It's almost 9 hours past deadline at the time I'm editing this article, and the news sources got a update from government sources.

 

 

 

Now Whatsapp has taken this to the Delhi High Court, saying that if they do as the government says, They will hamper their users' security.

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20 minutes ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

It's funny how these companies disregard local laws and authorities, except for the Chinese ones... Maybe banning them isn't that bad.

Facebook will always follow profit,law will be damned as long as it doesn't land you in jail or threatens the business.

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17 hours ago, LAwLz said:

This happened because Twitter refused to comply with the Indian governments' demands to remove some tweets about the farmer's protests in India.

Yup, that could really be the case, it's said that the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) runs a "IT Cell" which reports and deletes posts defaming Narendra Modi and the party. The farmers protests are still going on, they were at their peak during Q1 of 2021, when popular celebrities such as Rihanna started tweeting about it. So It's very much possible that the party is misusing it's government power to stop these defamation and get control over these platforms.

 

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2 hours ago, atodead said:

Now Whatsapp has taken this to the Delhi High Court, saying that if they do as the government says, They will hamper their users' security.

Yes, now it seems as if the government wants to just control the platforms to stop defamation

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