For Long Term CPU and a few years GPU Till shortage is over, which would you recommend more: Ryzen 9 5900x w/RTX 3060 or Ryzen 7 5800x w/RX 6700 XT

[Percival2644]

I'm going to get a pre built but I can't decide on a combo. I'm planning to get a high end cpu for long term, just because it's a pain to switch the out, and once the gpu shortage is done I'm planning to upgrade the gpu. Which one of those combos do you recommend and if you have any other recommendations, please let me know! Also, what about the Ryzen 9 5900x with the Radeon RX 6700x instead? Trying to find a good combo, but one that would let me upgrade my gpu in the future, and let the cpu stay for a good long while. 

Thank you!

[SorryBella]

4 minutes ago, Percival2644 said:

Also, what about the Ryzen 9 5900x with the Radeon RX 6700x instead?

This is quite decent, but if you gonna get a mid-high end prebuild that you gonna upgrade down the road you REALLY gotta make sure that its not running a different sized PSU than ATX or SFX, or a proprietary pinning layout/railings beyond the standard 12V or 12VO. A low wattage proprietary PSU can basically pinch you off any form of good upgrade paths unless you run adapters which can be a massive fire hazard. HP Omen does run an ATX PSU afaik, but its also plagued with overly conservative power limits off the factory. Consider ibuypower, thatll be my pick.

[Downkey]

2 minutes ago, Percival2644 said:

I'm going to get a pre built but I can't decide on a combo. I'm planning to get a high end cpu for long term, just because it's a pain to switch the out, and once the gpu shortage is done I'm planning to upgrade the gpu. Which one of those combos do you recommend and if you have any other recommendations, please let me know! Also, what about the Ryzen 9 5900x with the Radeon RX 6700x instead? Trying to find a good combo, but one that would let me upgrade my gpu in the future, and let the cpu stay for a good long while. 

Thank you!

What are you usine the PC for?

[Chris Pratt]

Assuming MSRP, 5900X over 5800X. The $100 extra is infinitely worth making the jump. The 5800X is really badly positioned. At market prices, who knows? So, it really depends on what prices you're actually getting these at.

[Dedayog]

5 minutes ago, Downkey said:

What are you usine the PC for?

This, because a 5900x is literally more CPU than 99.99% of people need.

 

1 minute ago, Chris Pratt said:

Assuming MSRP, 5900X over 5800X. The $100 extra is infinitely worth making the jump. The 5800X is really badly positioned. At market prices, who knows? So, it really depends on what prices you're actually getting these at.

Oddly, another person on the forums has stated that the 5800x is widely regarded as the best bang/buck CPU out there.

 

 

[curiousmind34]

12 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

 

Oddly, another person on the forums has stated that the 5800x is widely regarded as the best bang/buck CPU out there.

 

There really is no such thing as "the best bang for the buck cpu out there"

Everybody has different budgets and different use cases, and the best parts will change accordingly

[Chris Pratt]

7 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

This, because a 5900x is literally more CPU than 99.99% of people need.

Not as much as you think. Gaming's usage of cores/threads stagnated for a while for some reason, but that's already starting to change. Cyberpunk will already scales to 12 cores, but now that the next gen consoles come packing 8, that's going to be the new norm on PC very soon. As a long term purchase, 12 cores isn't that crazy if you want to stay at the bleeding edge of gaming for a while.

 

11 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Oddly, another person on the forums has stated that the 5800x is widely regarded as the best bang/buck CPU out there.

 

I'm not sure where they got that from, because everything I've seen as talked about what a bad value it is. It's $150 more than a 5600X, but there's not $150 worth of value in that jump, while it's only $100 less than a 5900X, and there's way more value in that that. The choice is really 5600X or 5900X, the 5800X doesn't even really have a reason to exist aside from just filling the slot of an 8 core part.

 

Over time, though, as the availability becomes better and things calm down a bit, I would expect the 5600X to actually fall off in popularity, and the 5800X to fill its current price point through deals and discounts. That would then make it an excellent value. At its current position, it's crap, though.

 

[Percival2644]

36 minutes ago, SorryClaire said:

This is quite decent, but if you gonna get a mid-high end prebuild that you gonna upgrade down the road you REALLY gotta make sure that its not running a different sized PSU than ATX or SFX, or a proprietary pinning layout/railings beyond the standard 12V or 12VO. A low wattage proprietary PSU can basically pinch you off any form of good upgrade paths unless you run adapters which can be a massive fire hazard. HP Omen does run an ATX PSU afaik, but its also plagued with overly conservative power limits off the factory. Consider ibuypower, thatll be my pick.

I'm new to computers and the tech world, so if you would mind could you explain what those are? I'm going for Cyberpowerpc, as they do have a certain case I want (I know case should be the least of my worries, but I do like the case alot), and it will be my first gaming pc. Also, I do know that the motherboard is important for upgrades down the line. Any that you would recommend that include wifi that I can upgrade down the line? Thanks

[Percival2644]

33 minutes ago, Downkey said:

What are you usine the PC for?

99% Gaming, but I'm also gonna use it for some side things, like multiple applications opened, etc. I have 2 dual monitors, so I like to listen to music, youtube, etc. when gaming.

[Downkey]

Just now, Percival2644 said:

Gaming mostly, but I'm also gonna use it for some side things, like multiple applications opened, etc. 

just get the 5800x. The 5600x would do a good enough job of doing what you just mentioned tbh. The 5900x would be huge waste of money for what you are doing.

[Percival2644]

1 minute ago, Downkey said:

just get the 5800x. The 5600x would do a good enough job of doing what you just mentioned tbh. The 5900x would be huge waste of money for what you are doing.

Even if it's a cpu I'm going to use for a lot of years without replacing? 

[Downkey]

2 minutes ago, Percival2644 said:

Even if it's a cpu I'm going to use for a lot of years without replacing? 

Literal 4 core CPUS can do the job of gaming + having background tabs open. A 5900x is still a huge waste of money and you will almost never utilize those 12 cores.

[Percival2644]

2 minutes ago, Downkey said:

Literal 4 core CPUS can do the job of gaming + having background tabs open. A 5900x is still a huge waste of money and you will almost never utilize those 12 cores.

I see, and what gpu would you recommend for it? 

[Dedayog]

2 minutes ago, Percival2644 said:

Even if it's a cpu I'm going to use for a lot of years without replacing? 

Take the other people's comments above into consideration as well...

 

but even the 5600x will handle all your gaming and minimal multitasking no problem for years to come.

 

What you list as multi-tasking is light work for any CPU.  With my 8700K I would raid WoW, run Ark when we wipe or take bio breaks with WoW running, open Grim Dawn or Dawn of War as well (ADD slightly),  have YT and Discord open for convo and music etc.

 

Modern CPU's can handle gaming and all the additional stuff no problem.

[SorryBella]

7 minutes ago, Percival2644 said:

so if you would mind could you explain what those are

Im sorry, force of Habit.

 

So there's a standard in computers called ATX, introduced by intel in 1995 to standardize the size and railing (basically the the size and speed limits of the "roads" for the electricity to go to) of Power Supply and Motherboard. Basically, this lets you in theory use any form of ATX motherboard, ATX power supply, and ATX-Supported case combinations with no issues at all due to well, they basically uses the same standards of size and power. This means more upgrade paths for you.

 

The reason why some OEMs dont want to use ATX standards even nowadays? In my opinion its a Planned Obsolescence to make sure that you wont just swap board and power supply when your CPU just wont cut it at all, but it can also be due to size constrains as ATX is as i say, super specific in sizing.

 

11 minutes ago, Percival2644 said:

I'm going for Cyberpowerpc, as they do have a certain case I want

CyberPower uses consumer, off the shelf component so they all usually already have ATX standards.

12 minutes ago, Percival2644 said:

Also, I do know that the motherboard is important for upgrades down the line. Any that you would recommend that include wifi that I can upgrade down the line?

Honestly, overbuying AM4 motherboard especially now wont be advantageous at all. B550 chipset boards are decent enough and most of the ones i know of already comes with built in 5.1 Bluetooth and Wifi5/6. My recommendation in general is B550-F Gaming Strix from Asus, but adjust to what CyberPower have by reading IN DEPTH reviews of the board.

[Percival2644]

1 minute ago, Dedayog said:

Take the other people's comments above into consideration as well...

 

but even the 5600x will handle all your gaming and minimal multitasking no problem for years to come.

 

What you list as multi-tasking is light work for any CPU.  With my 8700K I would raid WoW, run Ark when we wipe or take bio breaks with WoW running, open Grim Dawn or Dawn of War as well (ADD slightly),  have YT and Discord open for convo and music etc.

 

Modern CPU's can handle gaming and all the additional stuff no problem.

I do understand that, and the fact that my two options above would do no problem in doing everything I want, but this would be for long term, and not replacing it after say 4-5 years. What I might replace is the gpu, but until the shortage is done and in which we don't know when it will, I would like a gpu that I can upgrade in the future, but does well with what I have now (That being the Ryzen 9 5900x or maybe the Ryzen 7 5800x). I do know either way It will be a great experience. just want to know if I'm spending my money right or not. 

[Percival2644]

2 minutes ago, SorryClaire said:

Im sorry, force of Habit.

 

So there's a standard in computers called ATX, introduced by intel in 1995 to standardize the size and railing (basically the the size and speed limits of the "roads" for the electricity to go to) of Power Supply and Motherboard. Basically, this lets you in theory use any form of ATX motherboard, ATX power supply, and ATX-Supported case combinations with no issues at all due to well, they basically uses the same standards of size and power. This means more upgrade paths for you.

 

The reason why some OEMs dont want to use ATX standards even nowadays? In my opinion its a Planned Obsolescence to make sure that you wont just swap board and power supply when your CPU just wont cut it at all, but it can also be due to size constrains as ATX is as i say, super specific in sizing.

 

CyberPower uses consumer, off the shelf component so they all usually already have ATX standards.

Honestly, overbuying AM4 motherboard especially now wont be advantageous at all. B550 chipset boards are decent enough and most of the ones i know of already comes with built in 5.1 Bluetooth and Wifi5/6. My recommendation in general is B550-F Gaming Strix from Asus, but adjust to what CyberPower have by reading IN DEPTH reviews of the board.

No problem at all! I see now, so thanks! My only problem now is what combo of gpu + cpu I should get, and the cpu to me would have to be long term, as it would be a pain to replace after a few years to make room for a new gpu. Any recommendations? Thanks again!

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, Percival2644 said:

I do understand that, and the fact that my two options above would do no problem in doing everything I want, but this would be for long term, and not replacing it after say 4-5 years. What I might replace is the gpu, but until the shortage is done and in which we don't know when it will, I would like a gpu that I can upgrade in the future, but does well with what I have now (That being the Ryzen 9 5900x or maybe the Ryzen 7 5800x). I do know either way It will be a great experience. just want to know if I'm spending my money right or not. 

Look at it from a money over time cacl.  $100 more for the 5900x over the 5800x, 5 year haul.  60 months, $100.  $1.66 per month.

 

Really, you can rationalize it any way you want.  

 

4-5 years, the 5600x will be still performing well but getting long in the tooth and ready for an upgrade.  5900x the same.  

 

Getting a 5900x today doesn't mean shit, since we don't know what 5 years is going to bring.

 

Really it doesn't matter at all.  Grab the 5900x for peace of mind, just know its more than you need.

[SorryBella]

2 minutes ago, Percival2644 said:

My only problem now is what combo of gpu + cpu I should get, and the cpu to me would have to be long term, as it would be a pain to replace after a few years to make room for a new gpu. Any recommendations?

Honestly the others have said it for me. 5600X will last you for now and 5800/5900X are basically the same but it might wont pay off if the industry shifts to focus on GPU power instead of CPU actually happen. Weigh what youre doing and see if you gonna benefit on more than 6-8 cores/12-16 Threads.

[Percival2644]

3 hours ago, SorryClaire said:

Honestly the others have said it for me. 5600X will last you for now and 5800/5900X are basically the same but it might wont pay off if the industry shifts to focus on GPU power instead of CPU actually happen. Weigh what youre doing and see if you gonna benefit on more than 6-8 cores/12-16 Threads.

Sorry for not getting back, I have been doing a lot more research and based on what everyone's saying, the 5800x cpu will provide enough for me and more, rather than going over, overkill with a 5900x. I've also done some research on 2 combos- Ryzen 7 5800x w/3060Ti or Ryzen 7 5800x w/Radeon RX 6700 XT. Both are extremely close to each other, and on Cyberpower it is cheaper to get the 3060Ti than the 6700 XT, but that's because the 6700 XT is better by less than 10 fps or so. In your opinion, which one? Thank you again for the help!