Which was the first racig game to have licensed cars?

[VirusDumb]

So I was playing the pepegamod for nfs most wanted 2005, which has a tons of cars, including the cybertruck, the 2020 ford gt, the rimac concept one, so, i have never seen these cars in real life, and thus it was kind of fun driving them, the cybertruck and rimac concept one feel very weird to drive because of no engine sound(they sound like a hair dryer), the cybertruck only has 2 gears. 

 

So I thought,hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......, I wonder how hard the modders had worked to put the cars and make sure they work like real life, the devlopers have been doing it since the 90s, and then I thought is there any 80s/ early 90s video game which has real life cars? and which was the first game to have real life cars? or which were the first cars to be in a game?

 

and seems like googling doesn't work

[Nathanpete]

I'm fairly certain it was a ferrari in some sort of arcade game (like an actual arcade box in the mall) from the 80s or 90s. 

[GuiltySpark_]

People must be getting younger around here but of course you have to bring up Gran Turismo. 

 

I'm not sure how to really find the information but i'm guessing its one of the earliest if not THE earliest title to have relationships made with the actual manufacturers. Development started for it in 1992. 

[jaslion]

5 minutes ago, rickeo said:

People must be getting younger around here but of course you have to bring up Gran Turismo. 

 

I'm not sure how to really find the information but i'm guessing its one of the earliest if not THE earliest title to have relationships made with the actual manufacturers. Development started for it in 1992. 

I thought it was an arcade game I forgot the name of that did it a little before Gran Turismo.

[flibberdipper]

Earliest one I know of would be OutRun which was released in '86.

[Master Disaster]

The 2 earliest examples of games having real life cars I know of/can find are both from 1986. First was Segas Out-Run which had a Ferarri Testarossa and the second is Lotus Esprit Turbo Challenge which had an Esprit in it.

 

Lotus Challenge was licensed however I'm not convinced Sega had any kind of license for Out-Run.

[shaz2sxy]

Lombard RAC Rally is also one, it had Ford

 

Came out on the Amiga/Atari ST and DOS

 

[CerealExperimentsLain]

16 minutes ago, Nathanpete said:

I'm fairly certain it was a ferrari in some sort of arcade game (like an actual arcade box in the mall) from the 80s or 90s. 

That depends on your definition of 'Licensed'.  I think you mean Sega's 'Outrun' but while it included the Ferrari Testarossa, it was an unlicensed appearance.  There are some builds of the ROM used in re-releases with the sprite swapped for 'Generic Red Sports Car' even.

Though the later Outrun 2 from the early 2000s was fully licensed.

 

So do we mean 'Games with licensed cars' or 'Games with real cars, screw licenses'?

[Nathanpete]

11 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Lotus Challenge was licensed however I'm not convinced Sega had any kind of license for Out-Run.

Ferrari is kinda like Nintendo in terms of Cease & Desists. They just don't get as much coverage because it is usually in regards to Celebrities and their social media posts. Like one celebrity was flexing his newest addition to his sneaker collection on the back of his Ferrari 812 Superfast and Ferrari issued a Cease & Desist because they thought the post would create a sort of link between the two brands that Ferrari was not a fan of. They didn't wish to be associated with the sneakers. No way Ferrari would led the game make much of a published run without a license. 

 

Edit: @CerealExperimentsLain corrected me, I guess Ferrari wasn't as much of a bitch in the legal department back then. 

[VirusDumb]

14 minutes ago, Nathanpete said:

I'm fairly certain it was a ferrari in some sort of arcade game (like an actual arcade box in the mall) from the 80s or 90s. 

 

8 minutes ago, jaslion said:

I thought it was an arcade game I forgot the name of that did it a little before Gran Turismo.

 

8 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

Earliest one I know of would be OutRun which was released in '86.

Out run had a ferrari. and came out in 86. But didn't have any official licensing, and the game doesn't even mention it except for a pixeleted horse on the rear

 

8 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Lotus Challenge was licensed however I'm not convinced Sega had any kind of license for Out-Run.

it came out in '90 according to wikipedia.

7 minutes ago, shaz2sxy said:

Lombard RAC Rally is also one, it had Ford

 

Came out on the Amiga/Atari ST and DOS

 

yea, it came out in 1988 and mentions the name, so I think it maybe  the one

 

[VirusDumb]

5 minutes ago, Nathanpete said:

Ferrari is kinda like Nintendo in terms of Cease & Desists. They just don't get as much coverage because it is usually in regards to Celebrities and their social media posts. Like one celebrity was flexing his newest addition to his sneaker collection on the back of his Ferrari 812 Superfast and Ferrari issued a Cease & Desist because they thought the post would create a sort of link between the two brands that Ferrari was not a fan of. They didn't wish to be associated with the sneakers. No way Ferrari would led the game make much of a published run without a license. 

 

Edit: @CerealExperimentsLain corrected me, I guess Ferrari wasn't as much of a bitch in the legal department back then. 

or maybe they didn't care much back then, and they just saw it as a pixelated horse

 

[CerealExperimentsLain]

Just now, Nathanpete said:

Edit: @CerealExperimentsLain corrected me, I guess Ferrari wasn't as much of a bitch in the legal department back then. 

I found this was quite the theme in the 1990s where we saw a sorta transition.  A lot of games featured 'real cars, real guns, and others' then renamed things. Counter-Strike even had 'Real Weapon Names' and now has 'slightly different names' for, I presume, license reasons.  Transport Tycoon has builds with both names like 'Boeing 747' which was later changed to 'Darwin 300' in later games.  There was def a time when 'They just included real names of things' and were not afraid of licenses beyond like using the 'NFL' or 'MLB' licenses, but now everything seemingly has a license to see it included by it's real name.

 

AM General tried to sue Activision in 2017 for including their HUMVEE in the CoD games.  Though Activision one with the judge basically saying 'It's a war game, you see HUMVEEs in war, they can represent this weapon of war without a license'.  Meanwhile, Command & Conquer Remastered swapped the HUMVEE name for 'Light Scout' in 2020.

[Nathanpete]

1 minute ago, SeAsOn3 said:

or maybe they didn't care much back then, and they just saw it as a pixelated horse

Companies aren't like that, many are super easy to piss off and send cease & Desists. Unless it is a blatant parody. 

 

Likely it was just because this was the early days of licensing issues and they didn't know how to handle it so they let the first one fly. 

[Master Disaster]

Yeah, back in the 80s it was like wild west for video games, everyone was ripping off everyone and nobody really respected licenses. It never got too bad on the major platforms (Nintendo & Sega) but over here in Europe where home computers ruled we had all manor of knock off and even some straight up IP theft.

 

I had heard that to make Out-Run the games developer basically rented a car, used it to take pictures of then used the pictures to create the car in game.

[whm1974]

18 minutes ago, Nathanpete said:

Ferrari is kinda like Nintendo in terms of Cease & Desists. They just don't get as much coverage because it is usually in regards to Celebrities and their social media posts. Like one celebrity was flexing his newest addition to his sneaker collection on the back of his Ferrari 812 Superfast and Ferrari issued a Cease & Desist because they thought the post would create a sort of link between the two brands that Ferrari was not a fan of. They didn't wish to be associated with the sneakers. No way Ferrari would led the game make much of a published run without a license. 

 

Edit: @CerealExperimentsLain corrected me, I guess Ferrari wasn't as much of a bitch in the legal department back then. 

Wouldn't Ferrari lose the Lawsuit due to said Celebrity is just showing off his Sneaker Collection in a car he owns?

[Nathanpete]

Just now, whm1974 said:

Wouldn't Ferrari lose the Lawsuit due to said Celebrity is just showing off his Sneaker Collection in a car he owns?

No clue. They sure made it a headache though. it was NOT worth the money to go to court to keep your post of you flexing your sneakers. Plenty of Cease & Desists are illegitimate, but if they come from a big company you need to comply unless you can afford to fight them. Even if you win, making the initial investment to hire lawyers usually is enough to deter anyone from fighting big corporations. 

[CerealExperimentsLain]

1 minute ago, whm1974 said:

Wouldn't Ferrari lose the Lawsuit due to said Celebrity is just showing off his Sneaker Collection in a car he owns?

The problem with lawsuits is that they can be long and expensive and often large corporations simply use the threat of an expensive lawsuit, even if they wouldn't win, to get what they want.  'Hey, do what we want, you're welcome to challenge us but it'd cost you 4 years of your life and a few million dollars even if you win.'

[Master Disaster]

18 minutes ago, SeAsOn3 said:

it came out in '90 according to wikipedia.

Yes, you're correct. I got it mixed up with Turbo Esprit which came out in 1986, had a Lotus Esprit in it but was also unlicensed.

[whm1974]

1 minute ago, Nathanpete said:

No clue. They sure made it a headache though. it was NOT worth the money to go to court to keep your post of you flexing your sneakers. Plenty of Cease & Desists are illegitimate, but if they come from a big company you need to comply unless you can afford to fight them. Even if you win, making the initial investment to hire lawyers usually is enough to deter anyone from fighting big corporations. 

 

Just now, CerealExperimentsLain said:

The problem with lawsuits is that they can be long and expensive and often large corporations simply use the threat of an expensive lawsuit, even if they wouldn't win, to get what they want.  'Hey, do what we want, you're welcome to challenge us but it'd cost you 4 years of your life and a few million dollars even if you win.'

Take the Ferrari 812 Superfast to a Junk Yard and pay the Owner to crush the Car on Camera...

[GillyMoMo]

What about Chase HQ? That came out in the late 80's it had a slew of supercars in it. 

[VirusDumb]

On 5/11/2021 at 9:45 PM, GillyMoMo said:

What about Chase HQ? That came out in the late 80's it had a slew of supercars in it. 

And and it seems like the first racing game to have more than 1 real life cars, it came out in 1988

 

 

 

Edit: but still they weren't licensed.

[VirusDumb]

On 5/11/2021 at 8:05 PM, Master Disaster said:

Yeah, back in the 80s it was like wild west for video games, everyone was ripping off everyone and nobody really respected licenses. It never got too bad on the major platforms (Nintendo & Sega) but over here in Europe where home computers ruled we had all manor of knock off and even some straight up IP theft.

 

I had heard that to make Out-Run the games developer basically rented a car, used it to take pictures of then used the pictures to create the car in game.

So it can't be counted as licenced

[Middcore]

yeah it seems like we have two actual questions here

 

1. What was the first game to depict a real car?

2. What was the first game to depict a real car and actually license it as opposed to just hoping the car companies wouldn't take notice of this new-fangled "video games" thing?

[VirusDumb]

4 hours ago, Middcore said:

yeah it seems like we have two actual questions here

 

1. What was the first game to depict a real car?

2. What was the first game to depict a real car and actually license it as opposed to just hoping the car companies wouldn't take notice of this new-fangled "video games" thing?

1. Is clearly Outrun

2. We still aren't sure which one.