Posted May 4, 2021 At what point, is it so old and so outdated, so underperforming, do you just consider it junk. It just can't keep up anymore (or in some cases couldn't keep up to begin with). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 useless for what? Intel's Itanium line from decades ago is still in use in some data centers. I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B Primary PC: i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me. Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference. How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 Yeah, nothing is really "worthless". One man's trash is another's treasure. It's more a question of value. The question to ask yourself is: "Is X thing worth keeping? Is it worth the space that it will take up?" (WARNING: I EDIT MY POSTS ALL THE TIME. GRAMMAR IS HARD.) "As I, a humble internet browser who frequents the forum of the well known internet tech YouTuber 'Linus Tech Tips', named after host Linus Sebastian, have trouble understanding the intent of the authors' post, I find solace in the fact, that I am indeed not alone in my confusion. While I stumble through the comments above, I am reminded of a quote which helps me to cut through ambiguous and unnecessary verbiage. The simple eloquence of the phrase often uttered on internet forums leaves any reading it in no doubt as to the true intent of the wording. I believe that I, and indeed all of us can take a lesson from the message left by it:" (Formerly known as @EjectedCasings) "Thanks bro, my inner grammarian just had a stroke." -Yours truly, EjectedCasings ___________________________________________ "It's stupid, but it works" "AAAAAAHHH WHY AM I SPEEENING!" Enthusiast web surfer, 'epic' gamer. #muricaparrotgang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 GT 710/1030, you can now buy a relatively low end laptop with a better iGPU(iris Xe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, WillOfTheLand said: At what point, is it so old and so outdated, so underperforming, do you just consider it junk. It just can't keep up anymore (or in some cases couldn't keep up to begin with). I keep updating my "leave behind" list. Right now it's first-gen Core-i for Desktop, probably Haswell in a laptop. I don't need any more Core 2 chips... I also have a list of things that are nostalgic/neat to me (anything Palm, anything old Sanyo audio, weird cables). Main System (Byarlant): Ryzen 7 5800X | Asus B550-Creator ProArt | EK 240mm Basic AIO | 16GB G.Skill DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-14 | XFX Speedster SWFT 210 RX 6600 | Samsung 990 PRO 2TB / Samsung 960 PRO 512GB / 4× Crucial MX500 2TB (RAID-0) | Corsair RM750X | Mellanox ConnectX-3 10G NIC | Inateck USB 3.0 Card | Hyte Y60 Case | Dell U3415W Monitor | Keychron K4 Brown (white backlight) Laptop (Narrative): Lenovo Flex 5 81X20005US | Ryzen 5 4500U | 16GB RAM (soldered) | Vega 6 Graphics | SKHynix P31 1TB NVMe SSD | Intel AX200 Wifi (all-around awesome machine) Proxmox Server (Veda): Ryzen 7 3800XT | AsRock Rack X470D4U | Corsair H80i v2 | 64GB Micron DDR4 ECC 3200MT/s | 4x 10TB WD Whites / 4x 14TB Seagate Exos / 2× Samsung PM963a 960GB SSD | Seasonic Prime Fanless 500W | Intel X540-T2 10G NIC | LSI 9207-8i HBA | Fractal Design Node 804 Case (side panels swapped to show off drives) | VMs: TrueNAS Scale; Ubuntu Server (PiHole/PiVPN/NGINX?); Windows 10 Pro; Ubuntu Server (Apache/MySQL) Media Center/Video Capture (Jesta Cannon): Ryzen 5 1600X | ASRock B450M Pro4 R2.0 | Noctua NH-L12S | 16GB Crucial DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-22 | EVGA GTX750Ti SC | UMIS NVMe SSD 256GB / Seagate 1.5TB HDD | Corsair CX450M | Viewcast Osprey 260e Video Capture | Mellanox ConnectX-2 10G NIC | LG UH12NS30 BD-ROM | Silverstone Sugo SG-11 Case | Sony XR65A80K Camera: Sony ɑ7II w/ Meike Grip | Sony SEL24240 | Samyang 35mm ƒ/2.8 | Sony SEL50F18F | Sony SEL2870 (kit lens) | PNY Elite Perfomance 512GB SDXC card Network: Spoiler ┌─────────────── Office/Rack ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐ Google Fiber Webpass ────── UniFi Security Gateway ─── UniFi Switch 8-60W ─┬─ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Veda (Proxmox Virtual Switch) (500Mbps↑/500Mbps↓) UniFi CloudKey Gen2 (PoE) ─┴─ Veda (IPMI) ╠═ Veda-NAS (HW Passthrough NIC) ╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╩═ Narrative (Asus USB 2.5G NIC) ║ ┌────── Closet ──────┐ ┌─────────────── Bedroom ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐ ╚═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╤═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Byarlant (PoE) │ ╠═ Narrative (Cable Matters USB-PD 2.5G Ethernet Dongle) │ ╚═ Jesta Cannon* │ ┌─────────────── Media Center ──────────────────────────────────┐ Notes: └─ UniFi Switch 8 ─────────┬─ UniFi Access Point nanoHD (PoE) ═══ is Multi-Gigabit ├─ Sony Playstation 4 ─── is Gigabit ├─ Pioneer VSX-S520 * = cable passed to Bedroom from Media Center ├─ Sony XR65A80K (Google TV) ** = cable passed from Media Center to Bedroom └─ Work Laptop** (Startech USB-PD Dock) Retired/Other: Spoiler Laptop (Rozen-Zulu): Sony VAIO VPCF13WFX | Core i7-740QM | 8GB Patriot DDR3 | GT 425M | Samsung 850EVO 250GB SSD | Blu-ray Drive | Intel 7260 Wifi (lived a good life, retired with honor) Testbed/Old Desktop (Kshatriya): Xeon X5470 @ 4.0GHz | ZALMAN CNPS9500 | Gigabyte EP45-UD3L | 8GB Nanya DDR2 400MHz | XFX HD6870 DD | OCZ Vertex 3 Max-IOPS 120GB | Corsair CX430M | HooToo USB 3.0 PCIe Card | Osprey 230 Video Capture | NZXT H230 Case TrueNAS Server (La Vie en Rose): Xeon E3-1241v3 | Supermicro X10SLL-F | Corsair H60 | 32GB Micron DDR3L ECC 1600MHz | 1x Kingston 16GB SSD / Crucial MX500 500GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 I'd say that, personally, my PhysX PPU is 'worthless' since it was only supported in 20-ish games before it was obsolete. However it's still a very cool old piece of hardware. Laptops for sale: [FS] [US] Vintage laptop collection + parts - Classifieds - Linus Tech Tips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 20 minutes ago, WillOfTheLand said: At what point, is it so old and so outdated, so underperforming, do you just consider it junk. It just can't keep up anymore (or in some cases couldn't keep up to begin with). If what you're trying to use for a given task can't do the task to the standard YOU want it to, it's no longer viable; that said, someone may well be looking for that same hardware, so... EDIT: Is this hypothetical or do you have a specific example? I frequently edit any posts you may quote; please check for anything I 'may' have added. Did you test boot it, before you built in into the case? WHY NOT...?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 This is a broad question, the answer really depends on your standards and use case. If we're talking about in general, then the majority of users could easily get away with a system with a 3rd or 4th Gen Intel Core chip, provided they had 8GB RAM and an SSD. If we're talking about current gen stuff, then any ebay prebuilt systems or laptops around the £100/200 mark would be worthless to me, as they have super low end CPUs, and super low end everything elses. If you're really into tech though, then something that the average person sees as trash could be incredibly desirable. Desktop - i5-9600KF @4.8GHz all core, MSI Z390-A PRO, 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance 3000MHz, MSI GTX 1660S OC 6GB, WD Blue 500GB M.2 SSD, Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM HDD Laptop - ASUS ZenBook 14 with ScreenPad, i7-1165G7, Xe iGPU 96EU, 16GB Octa-Channel 4200MHz, MX450 2GB, 512GB SSD with 32GB Optane Old Laptop 1 - HP Pavilion 15, A10-9600P, R5 iGPU, 8GB, R8 M445DX, 2TB HDD Old Laptop 2 - HP Pavilion 15 TouchSmart, i3-3217U, Intel HD 4000, 4GB, 1TB HDD iPad 2018 - 128GB iPhone XR - 128GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 Anything well before 2012... And the very low end Hardware... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 1 minute ago, whm1974 said: Anything well before 2012... And the very low end Hardware... Still too vague... If you want to know if you should "bin it" or "flip it", knowing what "it" is helps. I frequently edit any posts you may quote; please check for anything I 'may' have added. Did you test boot it, before you built in into the case? WHY NOT...?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 If it's was gpu, Radeon hd 4000 an below series is pretty unusable imho 01110100 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01110111 01100001 01110011 00100000 00110111 00110000 00100000 01101001 01101110 01100011 01101000 00100000 01110000 01101100 01100001 01110011 01101101 01100001 00100000 01110011 01100011 01110010 01100101 01100101 01101110 00100000 01110100 01110110 Audio Interface I/O LIST v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 When it's not supported even with workarounds/third-party software on a modern OS/programs, but not special enough to keep around as backup or vintage hardware. Quote me to see my reply! SPECS: CPU: Ryzen 7 3700X Motherboard: MSI B450-A Pro Max RAM: 32GB I forget GPU: MSI Vega 56 Storage: 256GB NVMe boot, 512GB Samsung 850 Pro, 1TB WD Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue HDD PSU: Inwin P85 850w Case: Fractal Design Define C Cooling: Stock for CPU, be quiet! case fans, Morpheus Vega w/ be quiet! Pure Wings 2 for GPU Monitor: 3x Thinkvision P24Q on a Steelcase Eyesite triple monitor stand Mouse: Logitech MX Master 3 Keyboard: Focus FK-9000 (heavily modded) Mousepad: Aliexpress cat special Headphones: Sennheiser HD598SE and Sony Linkbuds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 47 minutes ago, SpacePilot7132 said: GT 710/1030, you can now buy a relatively low end laptop with a better iGPU(iris Xe) Nope, a GT1030 still beats them mostly. Tech Jesus did an in depth study. 33 minutes ago, whm1974 said: Anything well before 2012... And the very low end Hardware... Go look at the pricetag of Voodoo 2 12MB 3D Accelerators on Ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 29 minutes ago, Eighjan said: Still too vague... If you want to know if you should "bin it" or "flip it", knowing what "it" is helps. Mid-range to High End from 2010 may still be useful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 If CPU fits either one of these criteria, I wouldnt consider using them in anyway period : Single core, has no X64 support, Doesn't even support DDR2, If a GPU fits either one of these criteria I wouldnt use them in anyway: No DX10 support, No drivers for Windows 10 (or worst case scenario 7) or not supported by linux kernel, Has less than 512mb of vram per GPU, As far RAM and motherboard goes, if it fits any of these I wouldnt even bother picking it up: Anything older than 775 Not even DDR2 support Has no PCIE This does not mean they are worthless, they just have no use for me. mY sYsTeM iS Not pErfoRmInG aS gOOd As I sAW oN yOuTuBe. WhA t IS a GoOd FaN CuRVe??!!? wHat aRe tEh GoOd OvERclok SeTTinGS FoR My CaRd?? HoW CaN I foRcE my GpU to uSe 1o0%? BuT WiLL i HaVE Bo0tllEnEcKs? RyZEN dOeS NoT peRfORm BetTer wItH HiGhER sPEED RaM!!! dId i WiN teH SiLiCON LotTerrY? yOu ShoUlD dEsHrOuD uR GPU. my SYstEm iS UNDerPerforMiNg iN WarzONE. can mY Pc Run WiNdOwS 11 ?? woUld BaKInG MY GRaPHics card fIX it? MultimETeR TeSTiNG!! aMd'S GpU DrIvErS aRe as goOD aS NviDia's YOU SHoUlD oVERCloCk yOUR ramS To 5000C18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 Entirely depends on use case. Sure a c2d might be bad for gaming, but is perfectly sufficient for a htpc or basic browsing machine ◒ ◒ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 3090 and below, all trash Now stop buying them -sigh- feeling like I'm being too negative lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 1 hour ago, WillOfTheLand said: At what point, is it so old and so outdated, so underperforming, do you just consider it junk. It just can't keep up anymore (or in some cases couldn't keep up to begin with). Personally, I wouldn't bother with anything older than Intel's 5th gen CPUs or AMD's equivalent, or NVIDIA's 700-series or AMD's equivalent. For RAM, HDDs and the likes, tho, it doesn't really matter as long as it works with whatever CPUs/mobos I have. Hand, n. A singular instrument worn at the end of the human arm and commonly thrust into somebody’s pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, whm1974 said: Mid-range to High End from 2010 may still be useful... If it works, it's useable... if YOU have no use case for it, then bin it (flip it, if you 'need' the money). EDIT: I still have an i5-750 with its 'board & RAM... I can't bring myself to sell it/bin it, so I'm hanging on to it. Edited May 4, 2021 by Eighjan I frequently edit any posts you may quote; please check for anything I 'may' have added. Did you test boot it, before you built in into the case? WHY NOT...?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 The tier where your grandma couldn't safely and satisfactorily browse the internet with it. Remember that even hardware which can't play games at all could still be valuable to someone simply as an outlet for communication and information. Of course this is setting aside the fact that even hardware older than that isn't necessarily "worthless" to a hobbyist who wants to build a retro machine, depending on what it is. Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy. If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear. Ryzen 7 5800X3D | ASRock X570 PG Velocita | PowerColor Red Devil RX 6900 XT | 4x8GB Crucial Ballistix 3600mt/s CL16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 1 hour ago, SpacePilot7132 said: GT 710/1030, you can now buy a relatively low end laptop with a better iGPU(iris Xe) 1030 eh, buy like low end Intel igpus from 5 years years ago have been beating the 710, not just irisxe I could use some help with this! Spoiler Need help updating a phone from w8.1 to w10 - Windows - Linus Tech Tips please, pm me if you would like to contribute to my gpu bios database (includes overclocking bios, stock bios, and upgrades to gpus via modding) Bios database My beautiful, but not that powerful, main PC: prior build: Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Moonzy said: 3090 and below, all trash Now stop buying them Snob... I frequently edit any posts you may quote; please check for anything I 'may' have added. Did you test boot it, before you built in into the case? WHY NOT...?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 Personally, today, I wouldn't bother with anything older than fourth gen core i5 for Intel and gen 1 Ryzen 5 for AMD as for as old hardware goes... And as for new hardware... it depends. If it's a dual core, I wouldn't even bother thinking about it and GPUs under what I'd consider "mid to low range" like a GTX1050, is also out of my range of products I care for. That said, once you reach the point where the old hardware simply doesn't work anymore on newer OSes, it might be time to replace it or switch to Linux. Outdated OSes is just a security risk on your network. But as long as someone, somewhere out there, thinks their old Pentium 3 computer running Windows ME is "good enough" for their purpose, who am I to silently judge them. CPU: AMD Ryzen 3700x / GPU: Asus Radeon RX 6750XT OC 12GB / RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB DDR4-3200 MOBO: MSI B450m Gaming Plus / NVME: Corsair MP510 240GB / Case: TT Core v21 / PSU: Seasonic 750W / OS: Win 10 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 The very top tier and the very bottom tier. I aim for upper middle tier for best value up to middle upper tier for something special without going OTT. i5 8600 - RX580 - Fractal Nano S - 1080p 144Hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 4, 2021 1 hour ago, TetraSky said: But as long as someone, somewhere out there, thinks their old Pentium 3 computer running Windows ME is "good enough" for their purpose, who am I to silently judge them. Most of them are limited to 1.5 to 2GB at the most, if even that. That Person will not be able to do much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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