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New Ethereum ASIC miner announced, with hashrate equivalent to 32 RTX 3080

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Bitmain, a Chinese company known for making ASIC miners, announced their new "Antminer E9" Ethereum ASIC miner. It has almost the same hashrate as 32 RTX 3080, yet more energy efficient.

 

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The Antminer E9 reportedly delivers an Ethereum hash rate up to 3 GH/s, equivalent to 32 Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 (Ampere) graphics cards mining in unison. If Bitmain delivers on its promise, the Antminer E9 will be the fastest ASIC miner available and even outperform Linzhi's Phoenix Ethash ASIC miner that delivers up to 2,600 MH/s.

 

Bitmain didn't reveal too many details about the Antminer E9 except that it draws up to 2,556W and flaunts a power efficiency of 0.85 J/M. Therefore, the Antminer E9 isn't just faster than the Phoenix miner but also more energy-efficient. For comparison, the Phoenix miner pulls 3,000W, meaning the Antminer E9 has 14.8% lower power consumption.

 

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My thoughts

Ethereum is ASIC-resistant right? What is the meaning of ASIC miners then? They will be a waste of sand as soon as the community changes the algorithm. 

 

Sources

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ethereum-miner-32-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-gpus

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Lol and ethereum 2.0 right around the corner 

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Correct me if i'm wrong, but i think this ASIC's can mine basically any ethash based coins, like etc. So it can just be swapped to another coin, although the profitability is much lower.

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It's always an arms race. Obviously if it runs on one hardware, it will run better on some variant of more specialized hardware. Orgs changing algorithms to maintain the perception of value is the most hilariously backwards part of cryptowaste and one of the biggest actual barriers towards a non-niche application of the technology. 

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That's a sick miner!

 

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It's actually an expensive pile of eWaste and silicon in a time where we absolutely don't need it.

 

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58 minutes ago, Icarus_Radio said:

Ethereum is ASIC-resistant right? What is the meaning of ASIC miners then?

You can still make one, it just won't be as effective relatively speaking as you could make e.g. a Bitcoin ASIC. Why ETH is ASIC resistant:

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The current intent at Ethereum is to use a mining algorithm where miners are required to fetch random data from the state, compute some randomly selected transactions from the last N blocks in the blockchain, and return the hash of the result. This has two important benefits. First, Ethereum contracts can include any kind of computation, so an Ethereum ASIC would essentially be an ASIC for general computation - ie. a better CPU. Second, mining requires access to the entire blockchain, forcing miners to store the entire blockchain and at least be capable of verifying every transaction.

 

45 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

Lol and ethereum 2.0 right around the corner 

I'm sure the devs have exploited this for their share already. Now they just bring it to market to gain a few last moneys before PoS fully hits.

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Bitmain can go screw itself. Rarely, can you land yourself hardware without 12 month lead-time. And by the time you do get the hardware, the market ROI has changed. Speaking of, their pricing is pegged to the ROI rate of the coin in question.

 

Why do they even sell the hardware? Why not just be an internal operation to mine coin for themselves?

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Oh boy! Bitmain launching a new miner! Hurry up and order! They'll take your money today, build your miner, use it for 3 months in their warehouse while building newer, more efficient models, and once their v1.1 is available, finally ship your model to you and blame 'unexpected demand' for the delay. Bitmain is a scumbag company. I wish chip fabbing was as easy as buying a CNC router. I'd love a side project to make ASICs in a non-scumbag way.

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2 hours ago, Icarus_Radio said:

Ethereum is ASIC-resistant right? What is the meaning of ASIC miners then? They will be a waste of sand as soon as the community changes the algorithm. 

It may not matter to you if you got more out of it than you paid by the time that happens. But yes, obviously this is wasteful - then again so is mining in general.

43 minutes ago, StDragon said:

Why do they even sell the hardware? Why not just be an internal operation to mine coin for themselves?

Because selling hardware has an immediate return on investment that isn't tied to random market whims and they need to pay the engineers who design this stuff every month, whereas any idiot can just buy a bunch of these and start mining by themselves. Not that I would advise doing so, as you said there are good reasons to avoid this stuff like the plague 😛

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Meh. I'd pick 32 3080 over this any day everyday

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They say cost estimates put it at roughly the price of 32 MSRP 3080s. Aka no one is going to buy this as the resale of ASICs is virtually zero 

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

They say cost estimates put it at roughly the price of 32 MSRP 3080s. Aka no one is going to buy this as the resale of ASICs is virtually zero 

If not more, the actual market price for the other Eth ASIC depending on when and how much you want it is between 10k USD to 50k USD. These products are basically exclusively for them, their friends and associates and anyone else in the inner circle. They only bother to announce the hardware to disrupted and affect the market, I'm like 90% sure they are trying to lower the GPU market value with this, you know so their purchase price is lower because they still GPU mine.

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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

They say cost estimates put it at roughly the price of 32 MSRP 3080s.

3080 "msrp", actual 3rd party msrp, or 3080 street price?

 

Another thing to have in mind is efficiency, which probably is higher than 3080, cuttung electricity bills to a degree

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2 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

Meh. I'd pick 32 3080 over this any day everyday

2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

They say cost estimates put it at roughly the price of 32 MSRP 3080s. Aka no one is going to buy this as the resale of ASICs is virtually zero 

Consider the logistics of running 32 3080s though... they take up a lot more space, require various power supplies and motherboards, draw more power (which may be limited by your supplier) and probably produce more heat. Also good luck finding any at MSRP.

 

Not that I recommend any form of mining but I can see why someone would want to go for this.

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2 hours ago, Sauron said:

Consider the logistics of running 32 3080s though... they take up a lot more space, require various power supplies and motherboards, draw more power (which may be limited by your supplier) and probably produce more heat. Also good luck finding any at MSRP.

Considering all that I'd still go with the GPUs, at least they won't become useless literally overnight at some point.

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20 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Considering all that I'd still go with the GPUs, at least they won't become useless literally overnight at some point.

I agree with this. Right now, you can probably buy a gpu (not a scalped one, just a new age MSRP one) and then if eth or BTC or whatever crashes and it brings everything else with it, you can turn around and sell it for the price you bought it at.

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4 hours ago, Sauron said:

Consider the logistics of running 32 3080s though... they take up a lot more space, require various power supplies and motherboards, draw more power (which may be limited by your supplier) and probably produce more heat. Also good luck finding any at MSRP.

 

Not that I recommend any form of mining but I can see why someone would want to go for this.

Right for commercially run operations. I was talking from the perspective of personal farms 

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4 hours ago, leadeater said:

If not more, the actual market price for the other Eth ASIC depending on when and how much you want it is between 10k USD to 50k USD. These products are basically exclusively for them, their friends and associates and anyone else in the inner circle. They only bother to announce the hardware to disrupted and affect the market, I'm like 90% sure they are trying to lower the GPU market value with this, you know so their purchase price is lower because they still GPU mine.

You're not wrong and Bitmain does the same thing. People would often consider why would Bitamian sell an ASIC that would essentially pay for itself in a week of mining opposed to just selling it instantly at it's normal price. Then people tracked the shipment date on some ASIC chips sent to Bitmain and looked at the global hashrate and they can see exactly when Bitmain finished their new ASICs. 

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9 hours ago, StDragon said:

Bitmain can go screw itself. Rarely, can you land yourself hardware without 12 month lead-time. And by the time you do get the hardware, the market ROI has changed. Speaking of, their pricing is pegged to the ROI rate of the coin in question.

 

Why do they even sell the hardware? Why not just be an internal operation to mine coin for themselves?

Why do people make how-to-get-rich-quick videos?

 

1. Produce garbage content

2. Sell it as a course/subscription

3. Tell them "do what I did"

 

That's the entire scam. The content/product is worthless, the subscription is the entire revenue stream.

 

Any content worth consuming, access is free. You only get to charge for access when your content on the whole is more valuable as a whole (eg Disney can pull this off. Netflix, Amazon, and Apple, do not produce any content that is worth subscribing for, either you subscribe when the content is done, or you subscribe for content archives, and these companies have not been producing content that long.)

 

Like at least in Netflix's case, they license content to put on their service, but they also produce content that is simultaneously broadcast on free-to-watch cable channels. 

 

A company that produces ASIC miners, would be better off doing the mining themselves unless they personally have no stake in mining. Eg they only sell ASIC's, and they already know what the coin in question is worth, so they are basically getting the entire value up front today, even if the bottom falls out of the market 5 minutes after they ship it.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Kisai said:

A company that produces ASIC miners, would be better off doing the mining themselves unless they personally have no stake in mining. Eg they only sell ASIC's, and they already know what the coin in question is worth, so they are basically getting the entire value up front today, even if the bottom falls out of the market 5 minutes after they ship it.

Now that I think about it, maybe they do mine with that hardware 6 to 12 months before it's resold. They get first profit by skimming the cream of the top while the turn around and dump the hardware for owners to get sloppy seconds.

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I can't wait for eip 1559, the market is going to have so much supplier of GPU's supply will outstrip demand easy... If i am still waiting for a 3080 in a few months time i can probably pickup at 2080ti for a decent price instead.

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7 hours ago, Sauron said:

Consider the logistics of running 32 3080s though... they take up a lot more space, require various power supplies and motherboards, draw more power (which may be limited by your supplier) and probably produce more heat. Also good luck finding any at MSRP.

 

Not that I recommend any form of mining but I can see why someone would want to go for this.

And 32 3080 aren't stuck at only doing eth, I get a nice render farm,  and they are still graphic cards.

Asics are worthless,  GPUs all the way

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16 hours ago, Maticks said:

I can't wait for eip 1559, the market is going to have so much supplier of GPU's supply will outstrip demand easy... If i am still waiting for a 3080 in a few months time i can probably pickup at 2080ti for a decent price instead.

To my understanding EIP 1559 doesn't mean mining is instantly not profitable anymore. It'll just burn a base transaction fee. Miners still get the base block reward and you can still tip extra. So far I've read estimates of anything from a 10% to 50% drop in revenue. At that rate even my 1080 Ti could still be profitable.

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On 4/25/2021 at 10:51 AM, Critaek said:

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i think this ASIC's can mine basically any ethash based coins, like etc. So it can just be swapped to another coin, although the profitability is much lower.

I don’t actually know if you are wrong or not, but that differs from what I have heard.  Rather the opposite actually.  What I remember hearing is Some ASICS can do that with Some other coins.  Bitcoin and etherium apparently have very different systems though so it doesn’t work well.

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15 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

And 32 3080 aren't stuck at only doing eth, I get a nice render farm,  and they are still graphic cards.

Asics are worthless,  GPUs all the way

An ASIC that can’t mine efficiently is.  There are Bitcoin ASICs like that.  While they can still mine efficiently they can have wild values though.  New ASICs can have markups multiple times their MSRP if you can find one at all.  They tend to be bought in advance.  That it’s even being announced may mean their full next several years production is already allocated.

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