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Windows 7 in 2021

is it safe for me to continue using windows 7 after end of life I hate windows 10 and 8.1 looks and don't want linux.

I know many of you will say to use windows 10 but I hate the os. linux is also not an option. and I don't think my computer can run windows 10. Am I stuck what should I do? 

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Pretty sure it depends what platform your on whether its worth staying back.

 

My 4790K was around when Win7 was. My 10850k wasnt so thats probably going to have issues...maybe with CPU load balancing or threading .. I dunno..

Probably platform dependant.

 

What are you running?

Maximums - Asus Z97-K /w i5 4690 Bclk @106.9Mhz * x39 = 4.17Ghz, 8GB of 2600Mhz DDR3,.. Gigabyte GTX970 G1-Gaming @ 1550Mhz

 

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1 minute ago, pplx5568 said:

how do I delete i posted this twice sorry.

Report your post to mods.

Maximums - Asus Z97-K /w i5 4690 Bclk @106.9Mhz * x39 = 4.17Ghz, 8GB of 2600Mhz DDR3,.. Gigabyte GTX970 G1-Gaming @ 1550Mhz

 

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I typed out a huge long response and a mod deleted the other thread fml lol

basically yeah you can use 7 is very specific instances just fine

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What do you mean by safe?

 

There are a lot of security holes in windows 7 that won't get fixed.

 

Also support for things like browsers will stop pretty soon, so you won't be able to browse the internet normally.

 

Id plan on upgrading soon, as your will be forced to if you want to keep using the web and new programs and hardware.

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I am fairly sure you can configure Windows 10 to look and feel just the way you want it, disliking the looks of the OS should not be your main reasoning for a choice. You can also reduce its graphical fidelity if your PC struggles to run it. However, you should be fine if your PC runs Windows 7 well enough already.

It is highly recommended to run the latest version of Windows 10 in 2021, as older OSes lose support for newer drivers, as well as programs. You may not notice it at this time, however fairly soon things like your browser will start losing support and you'll be stuck using insecure, outdated versions.

Why are you discarding Linux as an option? Linux in general is quite lightweight and is perfect for older machines that struggle to run anything else. Though it has its own quirks.

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CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

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CPU: Intel Core i7 10700KF @ 5.0Ghz (5.1Ghz 4-core) |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490 UD |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX @ 2666Mhz CL13 |~| GPU: ASUS noVideo RTX 2060SUPER Dual OC |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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Answers are going to vary from person to person, but I'd strongly suggest using Windows 10 (unless your machine is ancient it should run it). If you don't like the looks then there are ways to theme it to look like Windows 7. 

 

I still use Windows 7, but I wouldn't use it on my main machine (even if I could) for daily tasks. 

 

What are the specs of your computer?

York (Secondary Desktop): Intel Core i7-2600 (4C/8T), 16GB 1600MHz DDR3, Zotac GTX 550 Ti AMP! 1GB, 250GB Samsung 870 EVO, Windows 7 Professional

 

Phobos (Main Desktop): AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (8C/16T), 16GB 3000MHz DDR4, XFX Radeon RX 570 4GB, 1TB WD Blue SN550, 960GB Crucial M500, 2TB Seagate BarraCuda, Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

 

Bondi: Apple iMac G3 (Tray Loader, Revision A), PowerPC 750, 384MB PC-66, ATI Rage IIc 2MB, 4GB Quantum Fireball, Mac OS 9.2.2

 

Clover (NAS): Dell OptiPlex 755 MT, Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 (2C/2T), 8GB 800MHz DDR2, 160GB WD Caviar SE (Boot), 2x 1TB WD Caviar Blue (Storage), FreeNAS 11.3-U1

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2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Why are you discarding Linux as an option?

I can fully understand why they discard it as an option. could type a novel about why linux drives me insane lol

 

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3 minutes ago, BondiBlue said:

Answers are going to vary from person to person, but I'd strongly suggest using Windows 10 (unless your machine is ancient it should run it). If you don't like the looks then there are ways to theme it to look like Windows 7. 

 

I still use Windows 7, but I wouldn't use it on my main machine (even if I could) for daily tasks. 

 

What are the specs of your computer?

Pentium 4, 1gb of ram, Windows 7 Home Premium x86. 80gb HDD

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Just now, pplx5568 said:

Pentium 4, 1gb of ram, Windows 7 Home Premium x86. 80gb HDD

That is barely a computer now. That machine is probably 20 years old. Can't you at least get like a 200$ dell that obliterates this system in terms of capability?

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1 minute ago, jaslion said:

That is barely a computer now. That machine is probably 20 years old. Can't you at least get like a 200$ dell that obliterates this system in terms of capability?

it works on windows 7

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3 minutes ago, pplx5568 said:

Pentium 4, 1gb of ram, Windows 7 Home Premium x86. 80gb HDD

Uhhhh. You should seriously reconsider your decision about Linux. 

York (Secondary Desktop): Intel Core i7-2600 (4C/8T), 16GB 1600MHz DDR3, Zotac GTX 550 Ti AMP! 1GB, 250GB Samsung 870 EVO, Windows 7 Professional

 

Phobos (Main Desktop): AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (8C/16T), 16GB 3000MHz DDR4, XFX Radeon RX 570 4GB, 1TB WD Blue SN550, 960GB Crucial M500, 2TB Seagate BarraCuda, Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

 

Bondi: Apple iMac G3 (Tray Loader, Revision A), PowerPC 750, 384MB PC-66, ATI Rage IIc 2MB, 4GB Quantum Fireball, Mac OS 9.2.2

 

Clover (NAS): Dell OptiPlex 755 MT, Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 (2C/2T), 8GB 800MHz DDR2, 160GB WD Caviar SE (Boot), 2x 1TB WD Caviar Blue (Storage), FreeNAS 11.3-U1

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3 minutes ago, pplx5568 said:

Pentium 4, 1gb of ram, Windows 7 Home Premium x86. 80gb HDD

You actually should be running windows xp on that.

But yeah I'd say 7 is basically your only option with hardware from that long ago.

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5 minutes ago, jaslion said:

That is barely a computer now. That machine is probably 20 years old. Can't you at least get like a 200$ dell that obliterates this system in terms of capability?

its a eMachines Computer they say "Never Obsolete" LOL

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No one should be using Windows 7 on a machine connected to a network, it's not secure and hasn't been for a while now. There are multiple critical security vulnerabilities that will not be fixed outside of ESU support.

 

Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 should be used instead as they actually receive security updates. That said, W10 can run like crap on hardware as old as yours so Linux may well be your best bet. 

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1 minute ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

No one should be using Windows 7 on a machine connected to a network, it's not secure and hasn't been for a while now. There are multiple critical security vulnerabilities that will not be fixed outside of ESU support.

 

Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 should be used instead as they actually receive security updates. That said, W10 can run like crap on hardware as old as yours so Linux may well be your best bet. 

I can't run 10 or 8.1 so I have no choice but upgrading to a new computer

 

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7 minutes ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

No one should be using Windows 7 on a machine connected to a network

unless the network is used by one person and only the number of machines is multiple

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8 minutes ago, pplx5568 said:

I can't run 10 or 8.1 so I have no choice but upgrading to a new computer

actually you would only need a "newer" computer and not a new one. 

Something as simple as an old core 2 quad would be cheap or sometimes even free and can run windows 10 just fine. Basically you'd need at least a 12-13 year old machine vs a 15-20 year old machine.

But that being said windows 7 should have about a year and a half of browser support left in it so you can roll with it if you want.

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9 minutes ago, emosun said:

unless the network is used by one person and only the number of machines is multiple

Even then it still shouldn't be used without ESU licensing. It's well out of date and vulnerable to multiple methods of attack that can lead to theft of data and personal information, having a single user on the network doesn't change that.

 

If it's on a network that's either connected to the internet or connected to other machines, it poses a threat and should be avoided where possible. It's not like it's guaranteed to be attacked, but it's inherently insecure so shouldn't be used. 

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8 minutes ago, emosun said:

unless the network is used by one person and only the number of machines is multiple

...which means it must never ever be connected to the internet. Or you could just use Linux and get up-to-date browser and networking stack.

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700KF @ 5.0Ghz (5.1Ghz 4-core) |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490 UD |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX @ 2666Mhz CL13 |~| GPU: ASUS noVideo RTX 2060SUPER Dual OC |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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2 minutes ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

Even then it still shouldn't be used without ESU licensing. It's well out of date and vulnerable to multiple methods of attack that can lead to theft of data and personal information, having a single user on the network doesn't change that.

 

If it's on a network that's either connected to the internet or connected to other machines, it poses a threat and should be avoided where possible. It's not like it's guaranteed to be attacked, but it's inherently insecure so shouldn't be used. 

 

4 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

...which means it must never ever be connected to the internet. Or you could just use Linux and get up-to-date browser and networking stack.

for the sake of the thread I'm gonna say take it to a pm with me if you wanna discuss OS preferences outside of ops question. I don't wanna go off on any tangents 

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22 minutes ago, emosun said:

 

for the sake of the thread I'm gonna say take it to a pm with me if you wanna discuss OS preferences outside of ops question. I don't wanna go off on any tangents 

ok

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That's seriously slow.  I recently remotely serviced an overseas friend's P4 machine running XP, very similar to yours.  Slooooow.  At least on Windows 7 you will have new browsers indefinitely because unofficial Chromium and Firefox builds will continue because it's an NT 6.x system, so there won't be technical reasons why those browsers can't be built for that target.  But you might not have the RAM to enjoy all that, or you'll be swapping to disk all day long.

 

The subject of energy efficiency is relevant for this point I think.  P4 (the Netburst varieties) are very energy inefficient, so if your machine is powered on a lot you're probably spending as much on electricity as you would pay for a newer used/refurbished machine.

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