Is it worth it to buy a renovated build ?

[Koma_K2]

Budget (including currency): 

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Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

[Analog]

3 minutes ago, Koma_K2 said:

Budget (including currency): 

Country: 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

 

Don't quite understand the question here? What do you mean by "renovated build" ?

 

What would be the specs of this renovated build that you are looking for and the price as well. This is what will be dictating whether it is worth it or not. 

[Haraikomono]

If you mean a pc, that has already been built and used by someone else:

then,  sure why not. As long as you dont let them rip you off that is, and you know who they are

[Koma_K2]

2 minutes ago, Analog said:

 

Don't quite understand the question here? What do you mean by "renovated build" ?

 

What would be the specs of this renovated build that you are looking for and the price as well. This is what will be dictating whether it is worth it or not. 

Well there's a store that is solding a renovated build and the build is very good for the price. I'm just scared about the fact that it was already used.

[Haraikomono]

1 minute ago, Koma_K2 said:

Well there's a store that is solding a renovated build and the build is very good for the price. I'm just scared about the fact that it was already used.

do you mean refurbished ?

[Analog]

1 minute ago, Koma_K2 said:

Well there's a store that is solding a renovated build and the build is very good for the price. I'm just scared about the fact that it was already used.

 

Aahhh, you mean refurbished... I understand now. Generally refurbished computers do come with a warranty, whether that is 3months, 6 months or whatever else the store decides to provide. It is the specs that really matter and the price they are selling it for.

[Koma_K2]

Yup refurbished sorry my english is not that good I'm moroccan.

Here's the specs:

Intel Core i7-7700 16 Go SSD 256 Go NVMe M.2 + HDD 2 To NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 Go Wi-Fi AX/Bluetooth Windows 10 Pro 64 bits

For 800 bucks

[Koma_K2]

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[Fatih19]

1 hour ago, Koma_K2 said:

Yup refurbished sorry my english is not that good I'm moroccan.

Here's the specs:

Intel Core i7-7700 16 Go SSD 256 Go NVMe M.2 + HDD 2 To NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 Go Wi-Fi AX/Bluetooth Windows 10 Pro 64 bits

For 800 bucks

It depends. What do you expect from it? What games do you want to play, on what resolution, on what kind of settings?

[BahnStormer]

Right now.... that's is probably a good price, especially for Morocco, but only 'cos the GTX1060 is about $300-$500 in the current market.

 

If you want a proper answer - you need to give more information about:

1) What will you use it for?

2) Do you have ANY components you can add to the bundle right now? (old case + power supply + cooler + SSD + OS, even win7?)

3) What is the "refurbished PC"? Is it a generic build that you can upgrade later or is a Dell case with Dell-only parts throughout?

 

I only ask, because an i3-10100F is VERY similar performance to an i7-7700.... 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700-vs-Intel-Core-i3-10100F/3887vs4082

 

Once you look at it that way, you will realise that you could get that CPU + 16Gb DDR4 + a B460 motherboard for $300, an eBay GTX1050Ti for ~$100 and still have a platform to expand for later builds.... 

 

I don't know what the exact price of all these parts are in Morocco, but....

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i3-10100F 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$112.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B460M-A PRO Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	$102.50 @ Amazon
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$92.99 @ Amazon
Storage	SanDisk SSD PLUS 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$34.99 @ Adorama
Case	Cooler Master MasterBox Q500L ATX Mid Tower Case	$43.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA BR 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$55.98 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$463.43
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$443.43
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-04-14 20:08 EDT-0400

These parts have NOT been chosen with lots of love and care.... but probably more love and care than a PC refurb company would have given it.

 

My choice would be a system with my own selection of parts over any refurb company... but it's a crazy market and I realise that a GTX1060 alone might be enough to make you choose the $800 ready-build.

[Koma_K2]

3 minutes ago, BahnStormer said:

Right now.... that's is probably a good price, especially for Morocco, but only 'cos the GTX1060 is about $300-$500 in the current market.

 

If you want a proper answer - you need to give more information about:

1) What will you use it for?

2) Do you have ANY components you can add to the bundle right now? (old case + power supply + cooler + SSD + OS, even win7?)

3) What is the "refurbished PC"? Is it a generic build that you can upgrade later or is a Dell case with Dell-only parts throughout?

 

I only ask, because an i3-10100F is VERY similar performance to an i7-7700.... 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700-vs-Intel-Core-i3-10100F/3887vs4082

 

Once you look at it that way, you will realise that you could get that CPU + 16Gb DDR4 + a B460 motherboard for $300, an eBay GTX1050Ti for ~$100 and still have a platform to expand for later builds.... 

 

I don't know what the exact price of all these parts are in Morocco, but....

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i3-10100F 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$112.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B460M-A PRO Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	$102.50 @ Amazon
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$92.99 @ Amazon
Storage	SanDisk SSD PLUS 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$34.99 @ Adorama
Case	Cooler Master MasterBox Q500L ATX Mid Tower Case	$43.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA BR 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$55.98 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$463.43
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$443.43
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-04-14 20:08 EDT-0400

These parts have NOT been chosen with lots of love and care.... but probably more love and care than a PC refurb company would have given it.

 

My choice would be a system with my own selection of parts over any refurb company... but it's a crazy market and I realise that a GTX1060 alone might be enough to make you choose the $800 ready-build.

Omg Thanks so much it's actually really helpful I don't know what to say. Thank you so much you seem really passioned !!!!

For the first question well i'd like to stream on it and play gta V; it's my first build ever so no for the second question. And for the last question here's the link you'll see Dell XPS 8920 TOUR i7 7700 3.6Ghz GFORCE GTX 1060 6GB - Pc Gamer Casa

[Koma_K2]

Again thank you so much

 

[BahnStormer]

Okay - here's my 2cents, but others feel free to chip in with their opinions....

 

At round that price point, from that supplier, I'd me more tempted by: https://pcgamercasa.ma/pc-gamer/1363-pc-max-i3-10100f-36ghz-geforce-gtx-1650-super-4gb-pcgamercasa-maroc.html

 

The 10th gen i3 CPU is VERY similar to the i7-7700: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-Intel-Core-i3-10100F/3647vs4082 - but you'll have more scope for a quick CPU upgrade later.

 

The graphics is also VERY similar: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1650S-Super-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB/4058vs3639 - same base performance, but newer and I suspect better encoding support for streaming - but I don't stream, so not certain.

 

The main downside is that you will only get 4Gb video RAM and a 120Gb SSD instead of a 250Gb NVME, but the main focus should be that you have SSD for your boot drive, after that the rewards get smaller and smaller, but it is probably worth getting any game launchers, etc setup on the boot drive, but with the bulk of the game files on a bigger drive (i.e. 7200rpm).

 

The main advantages are: that the inital performance is VERY similar, but the PSU+case are generic and the memory is modern, so you will have lots of cheaper upgrade options available, either just the CPU or the CPU+motherboard in the future if you need more processing power or easily add more NVME/SSD storage later. If you go for the i7-7700, you are very close to the maximum capacity of that system and the next upgrade is a whole new system.

 

In terms of those upgrades - I suspect you will need at least 6 cores for streaming, since most modern games still benefit from up to 6 cores / 12threads.

[Koma_K2]

Oh I see. Well from what I understood, I agree with you at the point that it would be better to choose the second option even if I have to sacrifice the most moderns games for now waiting to be able to upgrade it in the future when the pandemic will be over. Also i'd really like to be able to upgrade my computer in the future so I think that my choice is made. Actually I don't have enough money to go with the build that you told me so I think that i'll go with this one: https://pcgamercasa.ma/pc-gamer/1246-pc-gamer-i3-9100fgeforce-gtx-165016gb-ram128gb-ssd500gb-hdd-pcgamercasa-maroc.html (I'll Just replace the gpu by 1650s for 100$ more)

 I know that it isn't the best build and that if I want to upgrade in the future i'll have to replace the motheboard but it's all I can affoard for the moment. 

 

[Koma_K2]

Thank you so much for you

32 minutes ago, BahnStormer said:

Okay - here's my 2cents, but others feel free to chip in with their opinions....

 

At round that price point, from that supplier, I'd me more tempted by: https://pcgamercasa.ma/pc-gamer/1363-pc-max-i3-10100f-36ghz-geforce-gtx-1650-super-4gb-pcgamercasa-maroc.html

 

The 10th gen i3 CPU is VERY similar to the i7-7700: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-Intel-Core-i3-10100F/3647vs4082 - but you'll have more scope for a quick CPU upgrade later.

 

The graphics is also VERY similar: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1650S-Super-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB/4058vs3639 - same base performance, but newer and I suspect better encoding support for streaming - but I don't stream, so not certain.

 

The main downside is that you will only get 4Gb video RAM and a 120Gb SSD instead of a 250Gb NVME, but the main focus should be that you have SSD for your boot drive, after that the rewards get smaller and smaller, but it is probably worth getting any game launchers, etc setup on the boot drive, but with the bulk of the game files on a bigger drive (i.e. 7200rpm).

 

The main advantages are: that the inital performance is VERY similar, but the PSU+case are generic and the memory is modern, so you will have lots of cheaper upgrade options available, either just the CPU or the CPU+motherboard in the future if you need more processing power or easily add more NVME/SSD storage later. If you go for the i7-7700, you are very close to the maximum capacity of that system and the next upgrade is a whole new system.

 

In terms of those upgrades - I suspect you will need at least 6 cores for streaming, since most modern games still benefit from up to 6 cores / 12threads.

Thank you so much for your help it's so nice really thank you. You're a really nice person !!!!

[BahnStormer]

Not too bad... this is just my opinion, but I think it is just a bit too much of a middle option though, but if that is all you can afford, then I won't criticise.

 

Just so you're aware of what you are sacrificing:

 

CPU: the 9th gen i3 is still 4 cores, but only 4 threads (no hyper-threading)... so will be okay for up to 4 thread work (most games), but might struggle with streaming:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700-vs-Intel-Core-i3-9100F/3887vs4054

 

CPU/Platform: The main problem is that it is an 9th gen older socket type and Intel change sockets every 2yrs. The advantage with stretching to a 10th gen board, is it would be fine for any 10th/11th gen CPU. 

 

Memory: the HyperX 3200Mhz memory from the more expensive option would have been fine for a modern Ryzen (or 11th gen i7) build.... the 2666Mhz would work, but would be a big bottleneck.

 

GPU: This is actually the smallest of my concerns, but a 1650 is 40% slower than a 1650S: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1650S-Super-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1650/4058vs4039

 

I'll have a dig-around on that site, but for a budget starter build, I would normally advise a cheap AMD Ryzen CPU (even a Ryzen 3 1200 or possibly a Ryzen 5 2600) on a  mid-spec B450 board... this way, you do not over-spend, but can go all the way up to a Ryzen 9 5950 later.  

 

[BahnStormer]

How much would they charge to upgrade the graphics on this?

https://pcgamercasa.ma/pc-gamer/1384-pc-max-i3-10100f-8go-gt-1030-ssd-120go-hdd-1to-pcgamercasa-maroc.html

 

If that is still in budget, then I think it is better.

 

This is only single channel memory, and dual channel memory is better and you will probably want 16Gb soon... but 1x 8Gb 3200Mhz to start is probably better long-term option than 2 x 2666Mhz.... this way you can always add another 8Gb memory stick later (for 2x8Gb 3200Mhz).

 

At least with this option you get a 10th gen Intel CPU, 8 threads for better multi-tasking and 3200Mhz memory.

[Koma_K2]

12 hours ago, BahnStormer said:

How much would they charge to upgrade the graphics on this?

https://pcgamercasa.ma/pc-gamer/1384-pc-max-i3-10100f-8go-gt-1030-ssd-120go-hdd-1to-pcgamercasa-maroc.html

 

If that is still in budget, then I think it is better.

 

This is only single channel memory, and dual channel memory is better and you will probably want 16Gb soon... but 1x 8Gb 3200Mhz to start is probably better long-term option than 2 x 2666Mhz.... this way you can always add another 8Gb memory stick later (for 2x8Gb 3200Mhz).

 

At least with this option you get a 10th gen Intel CPU, 8 threads for better multi-tasking and 3200Mhz memory.

I didn't see this possibility. I'll try to check if I can upgrade the graphic car on it thanks.