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I have a theory about hard drives vs solid state drive (upgrading ssd to hdd)

So I'm upgrading from an ssd to a higher capacity hard drive, I know that seems nonsenical considering how slow hard drives are but I think that a hard drive will feel faster depending on the OS's UI complexity, I use xubuntu and i noticed that it loads faster from dvd than normal ubuntu, so if this applies with hard drives then it might not be very slow, I'll report back my findings.

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5 minutes ago, oali24 said:

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Alright, seems like a solid theory 😆

 

But all jokes aside, I assume you accidentally deleted the rest? lol

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So you're.......

 

I'm not sure if you submitted the post early or something, but it's pretty empty. Also, the title says upgrading SSD to HDD, is that the right order?

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3 minutes ago, BondiBlue said:

So you're.......

 

I'm not sure if you submitted the post early or something, but it's pretty empty. Also, the title says upgrading SSD to HDD, is that the right order?

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11 minutes ago, oali24 said:
  1. So I'm upgrading from an ssd to a higher capacity hard drive, I know that seems nonsenical considering how slow hard drives are but I think that a hard drive will feel faster depending on the OS's UI complexity.
  2.  I use xubuntu and i noticed that it loads faster from dvd than normal ubuntu, so if this applies with hard drives then it might not be very slow, I'll report back my findings.

1-) Nope.

2-) Nope, dont bother. We all know the answer already. One of the main reasons why SSDs feel more snappy is because they can handle more IOPS than HDDs ever could. Plus SSDs are faster in every single scenario, so there is no way an SSD can be slower.

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Why not keep the SSD for Xubuntu boot and run the /home directory on the HDD? If you think Xubuntu is fast and responsive on a HDD let me tell you it downright screams off a SSD. There's a pretty low bar for diminishing returns though, it doesn't get a lot faster with a lot faster hardware.

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17 minutes ago, oali24 said:

I use xubuntu and i noticed that it loads faster from dvd than normal ubuntu

Xubuntu is a lot lighter-weight than normal Ubuntu, so there....

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39 minutes ago, oali24 said:

So I'm upgrading from an ssd to a higher capacity hard drive, I know that seems nonsenical considering how slow hard drives are but I think that a hard drive will feel faster depending on the OS's UI complexity, I use xubuntu and i noticed that it loads faster from dvd than normal ubuntu, so if this applies with hard drives then it might not be very slow, I'll report back my findings.

You're free to go ahead and test it, but it doesn't just seem nonsensical - it IS nonsensical. The hard drive is not going to be faster than the SSD. The complexity of the UI has nothing to do with it. 

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Come on everyone, we all know hard drives are faster, that's why we've all upgraded to them, right?

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I suppose it could depend on how old and how small the old SSD was. I have a 16GB Sata2 SSD that's pretty slow, random reads and writes are very very bad, even sustained reads are in the 100ish MBps range. I used it for a PFsense box for a while instead of a SD card because of local caching and better write endurance.

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2 hours ago, Levent said:

1-) Nope.

2-) Nope, dont bother. We all know the answer already. One of the main reasons why SSDs feel more snappy is because they can handle more IOPS than HDDs ever could. Plus SSDs are faster in every single scenario, so there is no way an SSD can be slower.

Oh no that's not what I meant, I should clarify of course the ssd would be faster but many people now say that hard drives shouldn't be used for OS's anymore, I feel that with a lighter OS it should still be okay.

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I feel that with a lighter OS it should still be okay.

It would be "ok", but if you can use an SSD, use an SSD.

Anyone who says otherwise has never used an SSD.

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6 minutes ago, oali24 said:

Oh no that's not what I meant, I should clarify of course the ssd would be faster but many people now say that hard drives shouldn't be used for OS's anymore, I feel that with a lighter OS it should still be okay.

Well no shit it'll be better with an OS that's lighter-weight. No different than a 2 liter 4 banger trying to power a Honda Civic vs an F350. Like yes, it can handle an F350, it just won't be very happy about it.

 

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Just now, FakeKGB said:

It would be "ok", but if you can use an SSD, use an SSD.

Anyone who says otherwise has never used an SSD.

I used an ssd but I noticed just how much faster xubuntu loaded compared to windows that maybe it won't be too slow that you could recommend using an hdd

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2 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

Last last time I used HDD for OS, I almost destroyed the device because boot time was 5 minutes

Yeah but maybe a different OS will make that different or ar least tolerable.

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3 minutes ago, oali24 said:

I used an ssd but I noticed just how much faster xubuntu loaded compared to windows

Xubuntu is much, MUCH lighter (easier to run and start up) than Windows.

3 minutes ago, oali24 said:

that maybe it won't be too slow that you could recommend using an hdd

I will never - and neither should anyone else - recommend an HDD for a boot drive.

Ever.

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4 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

Last last time I used HDD for OS, I almost destroyed the device because boot time was 5 minutes

I run W7 on a 40 pin Pata drive with my legacy hardware. The boot time is no where near 5 minutes. Maybe 20 seconds or so. 

 

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3 hours ago, oali24 said:

So I'm upgrading from an ssd to a higher capacity hard drive, I know that seems nonsenical considering how slow hard drives are but I think that a hard drive will feel faster depending on the OS's UI complexity, I use xubuntu and i noticed that it loads faster from dvd than normal ubuntu, so if this applies with hard drives then it might not be very slow, I'll report back my findings.

It's still going to be slower than an SSD. It may still be usable but... why not keep the system on the SSD and add the hard disk as a data drive?

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Xubuntu is fine with a hdd. I used it off of it for a bit. 

But xubuntu is still night and day

 

 

@Moonzy that long? Even on a drive with nearly 50k power on hours, win10 boots in about a minute on it.

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4 minutes ago, oali24 said:

Yeah but maybe a different OS will make that different or ar least tolerable.

Sure, but calling an SSD switch to HDD an upgrade is just wrong, unless it's about the capacity

 

Applications and what not will probably be affected, even game loading times

But if you're happy using it, then it's fine, and it still is for many people that never used SSD before

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1 minute ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Moonzy that long?

That's what she said, ayy

 

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