Are Cpu's not getting faster?

[Cringe123]

I'm really dumb with CPU's so I might be wrong, but it feels like cpus are not getting much faster. I have an i5-8400 and the newer intel processors look like they barely provide any speed advantage over my 3 year old CPU. Is there something I am missing here or am I right? Thanks

[Haraikomono]

why do you want them faster when we cant even fully exploit last gen cpus to their full potential ?

[Cringe123]

1 minute ago, Haraikomono said:

why do you want them faster when we cant even fully exploit last gen cpus to their full potential ?

I'm not really complaining about it. I'm just curious. Do I gain much of a speed boost by upgrading to a new intel / amd

[curiousmind34]

9 minutes ago, Cringe123 said:

I'm really dumb with CPU's so I might be wrong, but it feels like cpus are not getting much faster. I have an i5-8400 and the newer intel processors look like they barely provide any speed advantage over my 3 year old CPU. Is there something I am missing here or am I right? Thanks

I would not say cpus are no longer getting faster, I would say CPUs are getting “fast enough”

Most apps in 2021 have been optimized for older machines and people keep their older machines because apps are optimized for 4c/8t, creating a cycle. 

There are definitely speed improvements, they are just not super relevant for most people in 2021. Most people who use computers are students and people working in office environments, any quad core cpu will do.

Honestly, now the CPU improvements are not that bad compared to all the quad cores from 2010-2016 

[Cringe123]

1 minute ago, curiousmind34 said:

I would not say cpus are no longer getting faster, I would say CPUs are getting “fast enough”

Most apps in 2020 have been optimized for older machines and people keep their older machines because apps are optimized for 4c/8t, creating a cycle. 

There are definitely speed improvements, they are just not super relevant for most people in 2021. Most people who use computers are students and people working in office environments, any quad core cpu will do.

Thanks. People were telling me how If I upgrade my gpu to one of the new 30 series then I'm going to need a new cpu because of bottle necking. Is this at all true then? 

[Haraikomono]

Just now, curiousmind34 said:

I would not say cpus are no longer getting faster, I would say CPUs are getting “fast enough”

Most apps in 2020 have been optimized for older machines and people keep their older machines because apps are optimized for 4c/8t, creating a cycle. 

There are definitely speed improvements, they are just not super relevant for most people in 2021. Most people who use computers are students and people working in office environments, any quad core cpu will do.

most people who benefit from faster cpus are people like us who are in networking/administration, since the quality of service we can provide depends on the capabilities of the cpus, of course gamers and graphics artists can also benefit from faster cpus, but they only get small performance improvements which really begs the question if you really need to have the image rendered in less than 10 seconds, or if you really need your pc to be able to game in 50000fps

[Helpful Tech Witch]

EVen the new intel cpus dont really have any large upgrade gen over gen. But its not been totally stagnant.

The most recent AMD cpus on the other hand, they look a lot more like 1-5gen intel. They are getting nearly 20% better per generation

Not if you look to 2010 amd, well thats total stagnation. They were bairly 2% better a generation. IF they didnt have ati they wouldve been bankrupt. Estimates from the time had amd going bankrupt and closing their doors by 2020

[Haraikomono]

maybe also a group would be developers who do have the benefit of pushing the cpus to the limit in order to keep the progress in a steady pace to reach new heights

[IkeaGnome]

1 minute ago, Cringe123 said:

Thanks. People were telling me how If I upgrade my gpu to one of the new 30 series then I'm going to need a new cpu because of bottle necking. Is this at all true then? 

This will depend on resolution and refresh rate. Typically, higher resolution puts less strain on the CPU

[curiousmind34]

1 minute ago, Cringe123 said:

Thanks. People were telling me how If I upgrade my gpu to one of the new 30 series then I'm going to need a new cpu because of bottle necking. Is this at all true then? 

You will need to upgrade your cpu. While I said most people, that actually does not apply to most people on this forum. I would reccomend a 5600x or better cpu, with a 10400 being basically the minimum before I would call it major bottleneck.

[Haraikomono]

"PC Enthusiasm is really like being a teenager looking up to extreme skinny models"

 

you always try to achieve the maximum in order to satisfy your own belief

[Cringe123]

4 minutes ago, curiousmind34 said:

You will need to upgrade your cpu. While I said most people, that actually does not apply to most people on this forum. I would reccomend a 5600x or better cpu, with a 10400 being basically the minimum before I would call it major bottleneck.

But, that's what I don't understand. What makes a 10400 better as all the cpus don't seem much faster.

[m4ttyaches]

10 minutes ago, Cringe123 said:

Thanks. People were telling me how If I upgrade my gpu to one of the new 30 series then I'm going to need a new cpu because of bottle necking. Is this at all true then? 

every system is bound to bottleneck over time, one way or another. if you an old gen cpu with a new gen middle range graphics card, you can manage the bottleneck. if you have a really old cpu with a new top of the line gpu then you should change the cpu, but realistically if you have a strong build to begin with and you want to upgrade it: the bottleneck wont matter that much, cause it can be tweaked. as Haraikomono said: it's just small improvements

[curiousmind34]

3 minutes ago, Cringe123 said:

But, that's what I don't understand. What makes a 10400 better as all the cpus don't seem much faster.

10400/3600 is minimum for 3080 imo

[Cringe123]

Just now, curiousmind34 said:

10400/3600 is minimum for 3080 imo

I was thinking more like a 3060 / 3060ti

[Cringe123]

Just now, curiousmind34 said:

10400/3600 is minimum for 3080 imo

But also, what would you class a major bottleneck. If it's like a 10 - 15 fps drop I don't care too much

[curiousmind34]

Just now, Cringe123 said:

I was thinking more like a 3060 / 3060ti

then you are probably ok with the i5 8400, but it will bottleneck a bit in esports

[Cringe123]

6 minutes ago, m4ttyaches said:

every system is bound to bottleneck over time, one way or another. if you an old gen cpu with a new gen middle range graphics card, you can manage the bottleneck. if you have a really old cpu with a new top of the line gpu then you should change the cpu, but realistically if you have a strong build to begin with and you want to upgrade it: the bottleneck wont matter that much, cause it can be tweaked. as Haraikomono said: it's just small improvements

Thanks for the explanation

[Aaron_T]

3 minutes ago, Cringe123 said:

But, that's what I don't understand. What makes a 10400 better as all the cpus don't seem much faster.

That's were things get tricky. "Faster" is defined in many ways, clock speed, number of cores, IPC(instructions per cycle), even stability and speed of the memory controller. Lots of things contribute to "faster", but really what matters is your use case. If you game, and want a top of the line GPU you need a "faster" IE more expensive CPU to get the benefit out of that top of the line GPU. But with a 8400 and a 3060 you're probably not going to see much of a difference between your 8400 and something newer. Maybe on paper, but the feel of the games won't change much.

[Cringe123]

1 minute ago, AaronThomas said:

That's were things get tricky. "Faster" is defined in many ways, clock speed, number of cores, IPC(instructions per cycle), even stability and speed of the memory controller. Lots of things contribute to "faster", but really what matters is your use case. If you game, and want a top of the line GPU you need a "faster" IE more expensive CPU to get the benefit out of that top of the line GPU. But with a 8400 and a 3060 you're probably not going to see much of a difference between your 8400 and something newer. Maybe on paper, but the feel of the games won't change much.

Thank you for explaining.

[Jurrunio]

They are getting faster, just not in every task. Games for example, they pretty much always ask for more expensive GPUs than CPUs in order to be balanced on their usage.

[Ar558a]

I had 8400 in my previous rig and my current 3600 is definitely faster...

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, Haraikomono said:

why do you want them faster when we cant even fully exploit last gen cpus to their full potential ?

Are you serious?  Or are you only talking about cores?  He's asking about speed, which directly impacts the fps of gaming which I assume is what his aim is.

 

I'd love faster chips, which would help enable better 4k gaming. or high refresh lower resolutions.

 

Not to mention financial analysis lies heavily on the CPU, modeling is huge.

[Kingy66_y]

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5 hours ago, Cringe123 said:

I'm really dumb with CPU's so I might be wrong, but it feels like cpus are not getting much faster. I have an i5-8400 and the newer intel processors look like they barely provide any speed advantage over my 3 year old CPU. Is there something I am missing here or am I right? Thanks

I agree wth you I have a i5 9600k an the newer ones are not much better.