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Intel offering AI software to bleep out gamer words

I've already been memeing this hard since it's not gonna work at all.

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1 hour ago, Kisai said:

It you turn scoring off on ASR, you'll typically find that what AI hears is not much more intelligent than guess-the-intent. So someone yelling "trigger" will just as easily be bleeped out for sounding like various other words ending with "igger"

That's possible, but would it really be much of a problem if someone were to say "trigger" and it got incorrectly bleeped? How many other words fit in "pull the ______" or "my ______ finger is itchy"?

21 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I still don't really agree with it though because if the issue is hearing the person say a word you don't like by censoring it yourself you are creating your own little world you live in that's not in tune with society.

...do you think people using this don't know what the words being blocked are? What are people missing out on by not hearing the n word while trying to have fun with a videogame? "Not in tune with society" - you don't need to ever use any of these words to participate in society if you don't want to. Many of these I wouldn't really care about but that's the beauty of having sliders for things...

26 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

It's like if someone said the sky is blue, but you don't think the sky is blue so you plug your ears so you can't hear anyone tell you the sky is blue.

Except the sky being blue is both immediately apparent just by looking out the window and it's factual information rather than being an objectively useless insult. Saying the sky is blue is not equivalent to calling you, say, an idiot.

28 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

You'll slowly start to reinforce your own idea that the sky isn't blue as your anecdotal evidence surrounding you is telling you the sky isn't blue.

What's the idea being "reinforced" here? lmao

14 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

The people who make these kind of tools would not survive an old Xbox Live/COD lobby back in the day.

Or maybe they did and they don't want others to have to go through that if they don't want to 😛

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Wow! How did I last gaming online since the late 90s without this tool? Is developing a good mental filter too hard to ask now there is no switch to torn off things that upset you in the real world. 

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i dont understand people's hostile reactions to this. like sure i personally doubt it would be that effective but other than that whats wrong with it? do you guys think people should be forced to listen to people saying racist shit?

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35 minutes ago, cgermann said:

Wow! How did I last gaming online since the late 90s without this tool? Is developing a good mental filter too hard to ask now there is no switch to torn off things that upset you in the real world. 

So you're upset that people are upset hearing derogatory and explicit speech that they don't want to hear?

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23 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

i dont understand people's hostile reactions to this. like sure i personally doubt it would be that effective but other than that whats wrong with it? do you guys think people should be forced to listen to people saying racist shit?

Because it’s just a marketing stunt and data farming tool. You’re better off just muting anybody saying hateful shit, and reporting them if possible. 

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The biggest downfall of AI is how easily it can be manipulated.  I do agree there are privacy concerns with AI, similar to cloud computing.  And, even if the company isn't the one doing it, a vulnerability can easily have a black hat listening in on multiple people. 

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49 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

i dont understand people's hostile reactions to this. like sure i personally doubt it would be that effective but other than that whats wrong with it? do you guys think people should be forced to listen to people saying racist shit?

Honestly not surprised. Lot's of people have the idea that muting or ideas like this make you "weak" or "woke" or some random thing. Maybe I don't like hearing racial slurs. Not doing anything isn't going to help and an even more ridiculous take is that racial slurs aren't a problem at all.

 

If some streamer came up with their own implementation or some other company with a better track record came up with similar software without the connotation of being bloat or spyware (if it was something open source or similar), people would still cry censorship or attack them for some perceive "weakness". 

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2 hours ago, Sauron said:

...do you think people using this don't know what the words being blocked are? What are people missing out on by not hearing the n word while trying to have fun with a videogame? "Not in tune with society" - you don't need to ever use any of these words to participate in society if you don't want to. Many of these I wouldn't really care about but that's the beauty of having sliders for things...

Except the sky being blue is both immediately apparent just by looking out the window and it's factual information rather than being an objectively useless insult. Saying the sky is blue is not equivalent to calling you, say, an idiot.

What's the idea being "reinforced" here? lmao

You said it yourself everyone knows what words are being censored so it's useless. Intel is coming off as a good guy promoting a more politically correct gaming community when in reality it's a small bandaid that actually does more harm than good. 

 

2 hours ago, Sauron said:

Except the sky being blue is both immediately apparent just by looking out the window and it's factual information rather than being an objectively useless insult. Saying the sky is blue is not equivalent to calling you, say, an idiot.

What's the idea being "reinforced" here? lmao

Not to get political but you would think the factual evidence of someone looking at the sky themselves and seeing that it is in fact blue would be enough to make them realize they are wrong. But nope, so now we have people who think vaccines give you autism, the earth is flat, and anything related to the person who used to be the president of the US and illegitimate news.

 

As for the idea being reinforced let us say person X doesn't agree with policy Y (and this scenario takes place solely online). So when person X sees something favoring Y online they will dismiss it and try to avoid it in the future. Slowly they will gravitate towards users who agree with them and block those who don't. The algorithms on social media are made to suggest content you might like so over time you'll "discover" new content that only agrees with your original idea as you have interacting with only what you want to see or like. Since the internet can technically connect anyone from anywhere with an internet connection there is a preconceived bias that you are interacting with anyone from around the world when you are online. When in reality you're connected to servers closest to you, suggested local content from local run ad campaigns, or versions of websites for your country. Even though both you may go to Youtube.com the explore page will vary immensely. So someone might reference youtube.com and say how the explore page only favors Y but in another country the same exact youtube.com shows different results. You are both correct in the scenario but it would leads to conflicts as both parties may not know this.

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I don't think I've ever heard a bleep where I didn't know what word was bleeped. 

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I don't know the efficacy of something like this, but I'm always for tool that allow people to have a better experience, and if this let's someone enjoy a stream or gaming and it doesn't affect others, I'm for that.

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29 minutes ago, Arika S said:

I don't think I've ever heard a bleep where I didn't know what word was bleeped. 

That's the thing. Advertisers care. Terms of Service cares (but not that much.)

 

The problem is that machine learning never learns context either. There is no reason for people to say profanity at all, but some people enjoy profanity, and some streamers have no problem with it either. Some streamers who are streaming with friends use an entire vernacular that needs the context that they're friends or playing a specific game. It's the kind of profanity that is a problem. What excuse does one have for using nazi language on a stream?

 

The logical clue here is when someone invokes hateful language, they are in fact hateful people, not "joking", and if they don't take measures to remove that language from their vernacular, they're going to get de-platformed, either by people watching not feeling it's a joke (and hitting report), or by the terms of service, or the service opting to bury discoverability.

 

Social media networks have been flirting with shadow-banning users that do spammy things. It doesn't take much for the system to use the auto-caption feature to analyze the video for hate language and bury the video too. 

 

That just leaves live streams, which auto-captioning is not yet a standard thing on streams.

 

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6 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

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I have my doubts about how well the software will work. Like if I say to someone "great play you are the shit" will that get filtered out and they think I was insulting them? Toxicity in games is definitely a problem but I'm not sure this is the solution. Also some of these filters are for concepts that are a lot more abstract than I think the AI would be able to understand. 

Someone also pointed out that this would be nice for streamers if they want to bring on guests or have TTS donations enabled as an extra layer of security.

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Ya, this has to be a joke or some spoof think piece. 

 

"white nationalism" slider ffs. 

 

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I want the app to say it in the Nanosuit's voice from Crysis. ''White nationalism slider: 100%, n-word filter: engaged, Maximum safety''. 

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this is the most un-gamer thing i have seen, how am i supposed to say gamer words like *censored* and *censored* on Call of Duty?

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11 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

i dont understand people's hostile reactions to this. like sure i personally doubt it would be that effective but other than that whats wrong with it? do you guys think people should be forced to listen to people saying racist shit?

The fear - and I think it's quite a justified one tbh - is that if gamers think people can just opt out of hearing this kind of thing, they will believe that gives them license to be as hateful as they like.

 

The real problem here is the fact that some gamers are perpetrating hate and discrimination against minority groups. Trying to fix it by giving people an option to kinda maybe opt out of hearing it if they download an extra piece of third-party software is akin to fixing a leak in a water pipe by putting sticky tape over it.

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9 hours ago, BuckGup said:

You said it yourself everyone knows what words are being censored so it's useless.

No. Again, you know the word "idiot" but you may not appreciate being called it.

9 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Not to get political but you would think the factual evidence of someone looking at the sky themselves and seeing that it is in fact blue would be enough to make them realize they are wrong. But nope, so now we have people who think vaccines give you autism, the earth is flat, and anything related to the person who used to be the president of the US and illegitimate news.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. The people looking to not hear the n word are not the same who think the earth is flat and vaccines give you autism - even if they were, these things are not related; there is no relevant information being blocked or ignored here. It's just curse words.

9 hours ago, BuckGup said:

As for the idea being reinforced let us say person X doesn't agree with policy Y (and this scenario takes place solely online). So when person X sees something favoring Y online they will dismiss it and try to avoid it in the future. Slowly they will gravitate towards users who agree with them and block those who don't.

Yeah, again, this has nothing to do with hearing racial slurs in a videogame lobby or not.

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20 minutes ago, Drama Lama said:

 

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You fools, it's clearly Naples! They're still feeling butthurt about AMD! 😉

 

On topic:

I think this could work (I mean, if RTX Voice is that good, why couldn't this somehow manage to pull it off?) but it needs to do more than bleeping - it would need to advance, A LOT, and change the voice "on the fly" to something not offensive, or not so offensive. Bleeps are just bloody useless.

Also, there's no way in hell this is getting anywhere near my computer. This is gonna gather and send data back to Intel like there's no tomorrow. No thank you.

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On the topic of efficacy, I don't see this as a viable solution for most online situations. We've moved towards intolerance of intolerance and this just makes people hide more about themselves. I'd rather people speak their mind so society can put them in their place.

I can only see this being viable for things like live streaming chat content with 3rd party participants (call-in/opinion type content), and even then you'd only enable a small number of these filters unless you want the novelty of being misunderstood by everyone since I highly doubt it's going to be woke enough. In most other cases, it would be preferable to let people say what they feel like saying.

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20 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

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White nationalism???

White is a race,nationalism is about nation,perhaps they meant white supremacy?,but that should fall under racism as well.

They should use the term Ultra-nationalism instead.

18 hours ago, JZStudios said:

Don't forget the Nigers. At least I'm pretty sure they're Nigers, I think they speak French.

 

Also black color in Spanish is negro:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro_(color)

 

The whole thing is meant for people who tend to get offended by the smallest of things.

 

Name calling - Ignore/block/report the person

 N-word - Ignore/block/report the person

Racism and Xenophobia - Ignore/block/report the person

Sexually Explicit Language - Ignore/block/report/like/slide into dms the person

Swearing - Ignore/block/report the person

Ultra-Nationalism - Ignore/block/report the person

 

 

Is it that difficult to do?!?!?!

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6 hours ago, Sauron said:

Yeah, again, this has nothing to do with hearing racial slurs in a videogame lobby or not.

How so?

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If the English has to be such mine field of words you can't say, can we just give the international language title to Spanish or French

One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!!

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