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Canada Child Protect caught spreading child porn using AWS services

When you sign up for AWS you are responsible for the data. If AWS figures out that you use their services for illegal activities they will take action. 
Let’s take traditional datacenter environment for comparison. Some datacenters can lease you rack and networking for your servers. If you put server in there filled with illegal content, whose fault is that? 
AWS is the same thing, it only deals with virtual environments instead of using separate physical servers for each customer’s instance. 

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6 hours ago, comander said:

I feel like governments spend 100x too many resources trying to find kiddie porn and that those funds should be shifted to preventing its creation. 

 

You know... stopping the actual victimization instead of hunting for people with mental issues (many of whom probably never leave their parents' basement). 

well for you to get the guys making it you first need to know who they are, and have some proof that they done it, so you need to search for the CP first, it be great to find the golden pot without having to find a rainbow first but you cant

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On 4/6/2021 at 9:46 AM, givingtnt said:



But if say, they knew it and just let it happen by turning a blind eye.. now that's actually something they could be found guilty of.

That's exactly how cloudflare operates.

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There seems to be some confusion here.

 

First, to clarify: Canada Child Protect is NOT a Government Agency. They're not part of the Canadian Government in any capacity. They are not part of "Children's Aid Society" (CAS). They're a registered charitable organization, nothing more.

 

Second: I'm very unclear as to what is actually happening here. CCP is using "SauceNao" - which is a reverse image search engine - to upload and search for images of the content in question?

 

It seems to me that SauceNao is claiming they're doing it solely to "report" the images found (report to who?) that CCP uploaded?

 

Who are they reporting them to? And for what purpose? If they report it to the RCMP, for example, the RCMP will be able to tell from the logs that it came from CPP, which is counter productive (and would possibly also make what they are doing a crime).

 

Or, are they simply searching to see if there are more examples of the image in question? Perhaps as part of some investigation?

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1 hour ago, soldier_ph said:

You've become the Very thing you swore to Destroy.

Or they’re being attacked or something.  This could be like that attack on acorn where a guy made something like 400 failed attempts but one of them didn’t say no immediately because he wanted to call the cops so the person trying to destroy the group trumpeted the success without mentioning either the 399 fails or the fact that even the 400th one wasn’t actually a success

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1 hour ago, dalekphalm said:

There seems to be some confusion here.

 

First, to clarify: Canada Child Protect is NOT a Government Agency. They're not part of the Canadian Government in any capacity. They are not part of "Children's Aid Society" (CAS). They're a registered charitable organization, nothing more.

exactly.

 

1 hour ago, dalekphalm said:

Second: I'm very unclear as to what is actually happening here. CCP is using "SauceNao" - which is a reverse image search engine - to upload and search for images of the content in question?

 

It seems to me that SauceNao is claiming they're doing it solely to "report" the images found (report to who?) that CCP uploaded?

 

Who are they reporting them to? And for what purpose? If they report it to the RCMP, for example, the RCMP will be able to tell from the logs that it came from CPP, which is counter productive (and would possibly also make what they are doing a crime).

 

Or, are they simply searching to see if there are more examples of the image in question? Perhaps as part of some investigation?

This is explained in the Twitter thread, basically, they upload CSAM material for image reverse search, the image they upload is "seen" by the bot in the search result and they then report that image they uploaded as CSAM to SauceNeo (SauceNeo is then in charge of alerting the authorities), CCP is denying all that and SauceNeo is getting tired of their shit but doesn't seems ready to report them to the authorities (he wants them to fix their bot)

 

Another thing to note ; that bot hasn't find anything other than it's own uploaded pictures. The SauceNeo admin refuses to look at the images CCP is uploading, he saw one, and said it's just a girl, clothed, without anything sexual about it (I'm guessing they have normal pictures of victims and they're trying to get facial recognition matches).

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A lot of image boards and other websites have a SauceNAO button to reverse image search the image in the post, some have theorized that their crawler goes to that link, which uploads the said image to SauceNAO, and the crawler sees the preview image and detects it as CSAM and reports it

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2 hours ago, wkdpaul said:

This is explained in the Twitter thread, basically, they upload CSAM material for image reverse search, the image they upload is "seen" by the bot in the search result and they then report that image they uploaded as CSAM to SauceNeo (SauceNeo is then in charge of alerting the authorities), CCP is denying all that and SauceNeo is getting tired of their shit but doesn't seems ready to report them to the authorities (he wants them to fix their bot)

Why doesn't SauceNeo just report them to the RCMP then and get it over with? Even if they're not strictly illegal images, they're being flagged as such, and there must be some kind of law against repeatedly abusing a system like that,

2 hours ago, wkdpaul said:

Another thing to note ; that bot hasn't find anything other than it's own uploaded pictures. The SauceNeo admin refuses to look at the images CCP is uploading, he saw one, and said it's just a girl, clothed, without anything sexual about it (I'm guessing they have normal pictures of victims and they're trying to get facial recognition matches).

I don't blame him for not wanting to look at them.

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