3900x worth upgrading to 5000 Series?

[ChaoticChaosx]

I have got a 3900x in May 2020. I don't know if it would be worth to upgrade to 5000 series CPU?

 

I'll be using it for streaming, gaming, rendering/editing videos, photos and of course stream production in the future once I learn more.

 

I have never touched the bios, or adding any static voltage to it. All I have done was enabled PBO. The warning message one and the the other. I don't know why there was two on my board (Asus TUF x570) but both enabled. As well as 3200mhz D.O.C.P. 1600MHZ FCLK. I know how to overclock a CPU.

I overclock by just set my desired clock speed, and stress test my system using Aida64 or OCCT while incrementally increasing the voltage by 0.05v until the system is stable and no BSOD's are happening. If I am happy with the temperatures my processor reaches, I save the settings. However I have never done this do to people scaring me of degradation with voltage statics with ryzen. With Intel I was throwing voltage at it. Haha.

 

Should I just go for an overclock? As whenever EVGA gets stock of RTX 3080 FTW3 ultra (when its my turn in queue) I'll be exchanging the 3070 XC3 ultra for that. If it makes a difference on a decision.

 

[JohanKjeldahl7]

17 minutes ago, ChaoticChaosx said:

I have got a 3900x in May 2020. I don't know if it would be worth to upgrade to 5000 series CPU?

 

I'll be using it for streaming, gaming, rendering/editing videos, photos and of course stream production in the future once I learn more.

 

I have never touched the bios, or adding any static voltage to it. All I have done was enabled PBO. The warning message one and the the other. I don't know why there was two on my board (Asus TUF x570) but both enabled. As well as 3200mhz D.O.C.P. 1600MHZ FCLK. I know how to overclock a CPU.

I overclock by just set my desired clock speed, and stress test my system using Aida64 or OCCT while incrementally increasing the voltage by 0.05v until the system is stable and no BSOD's are happening. If I am happy with the temperatures my processor reaches, I save the settings. However I have never done this do to people scaring me of degradation with voltage statics with ryzen. With Intel I was throwing voltage at it. Haha.

 

Should I just go for an overclock? As whenever EVGA gets stock of RTX 3080 FTW3 ultra (when its my turn in queue) I'll be exchanging the 3070 XC3 ultra for that. If it makes a difference on a decision.

 

The 3900X may bottleneck the 3080 for about 10% of its performance. If you really want an absolute dream machine and you care about the 10% for your streaming and content creation - get a 5000 series. If you think that the 10% bottleneck are not worth spending an extra (how much is it? like 400- bucks?) for a new CPU - don't get it. I personally would not get it, because the better performance would not be worth the so much extra spending for me, but this is just my opinion. Hope that helps!

[Analog]

I have overclocked my 3900X to 4.4GHz, the infinity fabric is also clocked a bit and I really don't see any meaningful bottleneck with an RTX 3080. Keep in mind that I play my games on 2160p usually with max settings. What is the clock speed that you managed to overclock to. 

[Moonzy]

48 minutes ago, JohanKjeldahl7 said:

The 3900X may bottleneck the 3080 for about 10% of its performance.

What?

 

It highly depends on the application and what not

 

As for op, is your CPU limiting you in any way?

If yes, then you decide if the upgrade is worth it

If not, then you won't see much difference from the upgrade

[JohanKjeldahl7]

41 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

What?

 

It highly depends on the application and what not

 

 

Sorry I forgot to include the usecase and info.

10% bottleneck is the average for this combination at 1080p gaming on ultra settings.

Here is my source: https://www.cpuagent.com/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/bottleneck/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080?res=1&quality=ultra

The link actually says 11%.

 

I totally agree with you on the application topic, sorry for not including it, that was my fault.

[Mister Woof]

Bottleneck calculators aren't really that helpful.

 

In some games there will be almost none, in others, a huge bottleneck, and most others, it will depend on the specific conditions within that game and it will fluctuate as you play.

 

I would say you need to consider the majority of the games you play to see if they are sensitive to cpu limitations. If they are, then upgrading isn't a bad idea.

 

For example if you play a lot of MMO games, a cpu upgrade is a good choice.

 

If you play a bunch of doom eternal, then no.

 

[ChaoticChaosx]

16 hours ago, JohanKjeldahl7 said:

The 3900X may bottleneck the 3080 for about 10% of its performance. If you really want an absolute dream machine and you care about the 10% for your streaming and content creation - get a 5000 series. If you think that the 10% bottleneck are not worth spending an extra (how much is it? like 400- bucks?) for a new CPU - don't get it. I personally would not get it, because the better performance would not be worth the so much extra spending for me, but this is just my opinion. Hope that helps!

Not really to worried if just 10%. Not like I don't have the money to do an whole new system build twice over.

 

15 hours ago, Analog said:

I have overclocked my 3900X to 4.4GHz, the infinity fabric is also clocked a bit and I really don't see any meaningful bottleneck with an RTX 3080. Keep in mind that I play my games on 2160p usually with max settings. What is the clock speed that you managed to overclock to. 

All Max settings at 1440p is what I play at.  I never touched overclocking yet as I mentioned. I don't know much about the infinity fabric but what I do see is 4.3Ghz all core when under load/in game so I'm not sure how far I can get if I did attempt to overclock.

Like I said I read to much I guess some say this, "the voltage with Ryzen is not like intel", "static voltage bad", "offset okay but not great for highest clocks possible". I'll just attempt one day here soon see what happens.

 

14 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

Bottleneck calculators aren't really that helpful.

 

In some games there will be almost none, in others, a huge bottleneck, and most others, it will depend on the specific conditions within that game and it will fluctuate as you play.

 

I would say you need to consider the majority of the games you play to see if they are sensitive to cpu limitations. If they are, then upgrading isn't a bad idea.

 

For example if you play a lot of MMO games, a cpu upgrade is a good choice.

 

If you play a bunch of doom eternal, then no.

 

I play mostly "mainstream" games. Like Cyberpunk 2077 (once full patches are done) tomb raider, resident evil remakes, doom, Warzone...etc. All Max settings at 1440p. I play no MMO games. Ever. Just not into them. So might just try an overclock and get what I get.

 

Thank you all for your information and suggestions helped me out. I appreciate you all.

[Mister Woof]

18 minutes ago, ChaoticChaosx said:

Not really to worried if just 10%. Not like I don't have the money to do an whole new system build twice over.

 

All Max settings at 1440p is what I play at.  I never touched overclocking yet as I mentioned. I don't know much about the infinity fabric but what I do see is 4.3Ghz all core when under load/in game so I'm not sure how far I can get if I did attempt to overclock.

Like I said I read to much I guess some say this, "the voltage with Ryzen is not like intel", "static voltage bad", "offset okay but not great for highest clocks possible". I'll just attempt one day here soon see what happens.

 

I play mostly "mainstream" games. Like Cyberpunk 2077 (once full patches are done) tomb raider, resident evil remakes, doom, Warzone...etc. All Max settings at 1440p. I play no MMO games. Ever. Just not into them. So might just try an overclock and get what I get.

 

Thank you all for your information and suggestions helped me out. I appreciate you all.

yeah i don't think an upgrade makes sense based on those games

[frozensun]

I don't even want to read this.

Dude are you serious,you want to upgrade 12C/24T beast with 5000 series,wtf is wrong with you?

[Xkillerpn]

I Have my 3900x ccx oc to 4500mhz since day one, and I have a 6800xt, It bottlenecks on the tittles that are old or just use one or 2 cores. The rest just dosent care amazing cpu. Just keep it and wait for ddr5, ddr5 will have new cpu, new rams and ofc new board, so just put the money side for that, thats what Im doing. 

[bowrilla]

On 3/18/2021 at 8:58 AM, JohanKjeldahl7 said:

10% bottleneck is the average for this combination at 1080p gaming on ultra settings.

1080p, mate, 1080p. You'll be CPU limited with a 2080 as well. This is why CPU benchmarks are done at 1080p. And giving an overal figure is very inaccurate since CPU impact on gaming performance varies dramatically between titles.

 

And who buys a 3080 to game at 1080p? That does not make any sense. 1440p or 4k, that's what those cards are intented to run. 

[JohanKjeldahl7]

1 hour ago, bowrilla said:

1080p, mate, 1080p. You'll be CPU limited with a 2080 as well. This is why CPU benchmarks are done at 1080p. And giving an overal figure is very inaccurate since CPU impact on gaming performance varies dramatically between titles.

 

And who buys a 3080 to game at 1080p? That does not make any sense. 1440p or 4k, that's what those cards are intented to run. 

I completely agree with you, those cards are intented to run very high resolutions on very high settings. Using a number for 1080p from a bottleneck calculator sure was not the best idea and I have learned from this mistake. In the future, I will first ask what games the person is playing on which resolution and try to find user experience for this games instead of using a bottleneck calculator. Thank you for pointing these things out.

[frozensun]

8 hours ago, Xkillerpn said:

I Have my 3900x ccx oc to 4500mhz since day one, and I have a 6800xt, It bottlenecks on the tittles that are old or just use one or 2 cores. The rest just dosent care amazing cpu. Just keep it and wait for ddr5, ddr5 will have new cpu, new rams and ofc new board, so just put the money side for that, thats what Im doing. 

what settings you applied to hit 4.5 GHz,I don't think anyone over internet hit 4.5 with 3900X.

[ChaoticChaosx]

On 3/19/2021 at 8:23 AM, bowrilla said:

1080p, mate, 1080p. You'll be CPU limited with a 2080 as well. This is why CPU benchmarks are done at 1080p. And giving an overal figure is very inaccurate since CPU impact on gaming performance varies dramatically between titles.

 

And who buys a 3080 to game at 1080p? That does not make any sense. 1440p or 4k, that's what those cards are intented to run. 

Right I'm running 1440p on a 32". I didn't know if a 5000 series is a big improvement or not with a 3080 that is all. I'll be waiting quite sometime though like till it ages enough for a full new build.

 

On 3/19/2021 at 6:52 AM, Xkillerpn said:

I Have my 3900x ccx oc to 4500mhz since day one, and I have a 6800xt, It bottlenecks on the tittles that are old or just use one or 2 cores. The rest just dosent care amazing cpu. Just keep it and wait for ddr5, ddr5 will have new cpu, new rams and ofc new board, so just put the money side for that, thats what Im doing. 

What?! 4.5? I get a solid 4.3 under load in tests and games. Voltage levels out around 1.180V. I'll have to take some time and go for my OC.