Rate my VLOG setup Im about to order

[Tristerin]

Use - VLOGing trade shows, and taking whatever we purchase to the field from said trade shows and using it/breaking it down - main focus is trade shows and taking guns out to the range and shooting stuff, blowing stuff up, etc.

 

Ready to Order:

GoPro Hero 9 Black essentials kit with 2 batteries, double charger, 128gb memory

GoPro Hero 9 Media Mod

GoPro Hero 9 best case I could find on market

Rode Wireless Go package

Rode Lavalier mic

Rode Interview mic

Ultralight Monopod/Tripod

Amazons best GoPro accessories kit with all the mounts, rigs, tripods, selfie sticks etc

 

Anything I am missing?  I was trying to keep the budget at $1000, but this tips that scale already.  However I dont want to forget something so Im open to either just getting more, or replacing the Rode Mics short term as the Rode Wireless Go package has an internal microphone to keep the budget closer to $1200.

 

Thank you for your time!

 

 

 

[Electronics Wizardy]

Id be pretty tempted to get a mirrorless camera instead unless you need the small size and ability to put them anywhere of the gopros. The gopro's also have a very wide fov which might not always be great, and distort a good amount.

[Tristerin]

On 3/12/2021 at 6:12 PM, Electronics Wizardy said:

Id be pretty tempted to get a mirrorless camera instead unless you need the small size and ability to put them anywhere of the gopros. The gopro's also have a very wide fov which might not always be great, and distort a good amount.

I meant to respond to this on Friday but somehow forgot - I ended up with what I posted above (received on Thurs of last week), which the 240FPS is awesome - so far distortion isnt horrible, though it does create a slight bend sometimes.  Really on a good gimble (got the Zhiyun M2 for it) it does VERY well.  

 

But I am a newb, learning all the things, and can make a budget for a mirrorless camera to record on instead - but why - Im a newb here if you can explain it to me, I can explain it to the otherhalf   Im really looking for 4k 60 FPS (have a pixel 4 which does okay tbh) video shot for majority of it, with the 1080p 240FPS for action shots (shooting guns, blowing stuff up etc)

[Electronics Wizardy]

4 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

and can make a budget for a mirrorless camera to record on instead - but why -

First thing is interchangable lenses means you can get different looks, so super wide, telephoto. And there normally much better quality lenses too.

 

Better low light performance due to the bigger sensor.

 

You can get a shallower depth of feild if you want. 

 

Normally easier to worth with and rig. More io, easily add more batteries, mics, external capture, headphones, external monitors.

 

and they normally just look better, there is far more to resolution to quality and sharpness, and a good 1080p camera may look better than a 4k gopro due to the better lens + sensor.

 

Gopro's are great for when you need a small camera you can put everywhere, but not great if you want to get the best quality and most flexability.

[Tristerin]

46 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

First thing is interchangable lenses means you can get different looks, so super wide, telephoto. And there normally much better quality lenses too.

 

Better low light performance due to the bigger sensor.

 

You can get a shallower depth of feild if you want. 

 

Normally easier to worth with and rig. More io, easily add more batteries, mics, external capture, headphones, external monitors.

 

and they normally just look better, there is far more to resolution to quality and sharpness, and a good 1080p camera may look better than a 4k gopro due to the better lens + sensor.

 

Gopro's are great for when you need a small camera you can put everywhere, but not great if you want to get the best quality and most flexability.

Yup - any suggestions on a mirrorless camera for 4k 60 FPS vlogging?  The GoPro was specifically for catching shots and more frames (like shooting tracers I can only see, with a 4k 60 FPS, a large streak and then the white flash on impact - 2 frames - of its travel and want to catch more)

 

So like this weekend I had a 4k 30 FPS (Pixel 3A) person walking around getting the b-roll following me, but had the GoPro set up stationary with the firearm being tested (was testing the difference in 4k 30 vs 60 FPS)

 

 

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Yup - any suggestions on a mirrorless camera for 4k 60 FPS vlogging?  The GoPro was specifically for catching shots and more frames (like shooting tracers I can only see, with a 4k 60 FPS, a large streak and then the white flash on impact - 2 frames - of its travel and want to catch more)

 

So like this weekend I had a 4k 30 FPS (Pixel 3A) person walking around getting the b-roll following me, but had the GoPro set up stationary with the firearm being tested (was testing the difference in 4k 30 vs 60 FPS)

 

 

How much do you want to spend?

 

Id personally do 4k30 or 4k24 as its much easier to edit and much less data to deal with, and Id say it looks better too.

 

But look at midrange mirrorless cameras, like a canon m50, sony a6400 and simmilar.

[Tristerin]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

How much do you want to spend?

 

Id personally do 4k30 or 4k24 as its much easier to edit and much less data to deal with, and Id say it looks better too.

 

But look at midrange mirrorless cameras, like a canon m50, sony a6400 and simmilar.

Well Im about to put about $2000 into an editing rig (found out this weekend I dont have the time a 1700 or 3600 provides - Im an amateur and moved a file after 8 hours of work and lost everything, at least I learned from my mistake lol) likely based around the 5950X, so if you have a suggestion of something that would WORK, I.E. I wouldnt need another upgrade for at least 5 years what would you suggest?

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

Well Im about to put about $2000 into an editing rig (found out this weekend I dont have the time a 1700 or 3600 provides - Im an amateur and moved a file after 8 hours of work and lost everything, at least I learned from my mistake lol) likely based around the 5950X, so if you have a suggestion of something that would WORK, I.E. I wouldnt need another upgrade for at least 5 years what would you suggest?

I don't know your budget, and how important quality is to you.

 

I edit a good amount on my 3600 and its more than plenty, you probalby don't need a 5950x here. One big thing is try to stay away from shooting h264/h265 as its a pain to edit. Id try to shot in prores or simmilar if you can.

 

Do you have any lenses already or other gear? Do you plan on hand holding the camera? If so, you want a rig or gimbal or simmilar to get smooth footage.

[Tristerin]

1 hour ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

I don't know your budget, and how important quality is to you.

 

I edit a good amount on my 3600 and its more than plenty, you probalby don't need a 5950x here. One big thing is try to stay away from shooting h264/h265 as its a pain to edit. Id try to shot in prores or simmilar if you can.

 

Do you have any lenses already or other gear? Do you plan on hand holding the camera? If so, you want a rig or gimbal or simmilar to get smooth footage.

Whatever it takes to get 4k 60 FPS quality footage, thats going to work in low light situations, outdoors, etc - assume around $2000 area.  We may step up resolution in the future.  (EDIT - that has the ability to hook up the Rode Wireless go or similar)

 

With the slow motion capabilities of the Hero 9 Ill probably getting more of those so no staying away from H265.  And handbrake is taking quite a long time.  Its not that the CPU cant, its how long it takes (same with previews with this raw footage).  The business' editing rig is a 3950x which I learned on (to get dirty in photoshop) and using the 3600 was for convenience to do some stuff at home.  But frankly its to slow so upgrading is going to happen regardless  

 

Current gear - I do have a SONY DSLR-A320 with a SAL55200-2 lens but it was given to me dont know much about it.  And Pixel 4's and Pixel 3A's.

 

Gimbals I have are Zhiyun M2 and a couple other cell phone ones (Pixel 4 are cheap if you get them with screen color issues and just use them to film stuff at 4k 60 fps which is current gear, have some Pixel 3A as well for 4k 30 fps) that work fine for cell phones.  

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Whatever it takes to get 4k 60 FPS quality footage, thats going to work in low light situations, outdoors, etc - assume around $2000 area.  We may step up resolution in the future.  (EDIT - that has the ability to hook up the Rode Wireless go or similar)

This really depends on what type of quality you want. Id probably get something like that sony a6400 or canon m50 here. Both should look good, get some reasonable lenses, cards and batteries with the rest of the budget

 

 

 

Id also stop focusing on resolution here, these is more more to quality than 4k, and getting a better quality 1080p camera may be a better bet here, and look just as good, and would be much easier and faster to edit. Is there a reason why you need 4k?

 

6 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

 

With the slow motion capabilities of the Hero 9 Ill probably getting more of those so no staying away from H265.  And handbrake is taking quite a long time.  Its not that the CPU cant, its how long it takes (same with previews with this raw footage).  The business' editing rig is a 3950x which I learned on (to get dirty in photoshop) and using the 3600 was for convenience to do some stuff at home.  But frankly its to slow so upgrading is going to happen regardless  

 

What are you using handbrake for? Id let you NLE handle proxies/transcoding.

 

What NLE are you using?

 

 

[Tristerin]

1 hour ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Is there a reason why you need 4k?

 

What are you using handbrake for? Id let you NLE handle proxies/transcoding.

 

What NLE are you using?

 

 

Detail when needed - may increase resolution in the future (this equipment will be used for a couple of our business' so various needs)

 

Premiere pro doesnt work with H.265 from the GoPro Hero 9 so have to make it H.264.  Ive read about proxies (to help my CPU along), but didnt have to use them on the 3950x (looking to skip as many steps as possible with CPU horsepower) and with the 3600 I have to render the entire scene to get smooth playback (or use proxies?)

 

By NLE I guess that means my software? - I have the entire adobe suit

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Detail when needed - may increase resolution in the future (this equipment will be used for a couple of our business' so various needs)

 

Premiere pro doesnt work with H.265 from the GoPro Hero 9 so have to make it H.264.  Ive read about proxies (to help my CPU along), but didnt have to use them on the 3950x (looking to skip as many steps as possible with CPU horsepower) and with the 3600 I have to render the entire scene to get smooth playback (or use proxies?)

 

By NLE I guess that means my software? - I have the entire adobe suit

Did you enable gpu decoding for h265? You can do this on the intel igpu, so a intel 10850k might be a much better bet here.

 

If your gonna transcode footage, don't convert it to h264, convert to something like prores or dnxhd. Those codecs are much easier to edit.

 

But detail is much more than resolution, don't just use resolution as a measure of detail. 

 

Did you look at those mirrorless cameras? Would they fit your needs?

[Tristerin]

10 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Did you enable gpu decoding for h265? You can do this on the intel igpu, so a intel 10850k might be a much better bet here.

 

If your gonna transcode footage, don't convert it to h264, convert to something like prores or dnxhd. Those codecs are much easier to edit.

 

But detail is much more than resolution, don't just use resolution as a measure of detail. 

 

Did you look at those mirrorless cameras? Would they fit your needs?

In the current rig I have an RTX 2060 - not sure if I am using it right but I have it as the accelerator option (mercury?  sorry not at home atm)

 

I tested some stuff last night, for file size and for certain footage 1080p 30 FPS is all I need which reduces alot of strain on the system (time wise, storage wise).  I can try those other two codecs as well, I do appreciate your time.

 

After discussing what we discussed here with the other owner (my brother), who is our editor but we farm out that now (Im replacing him as b-roll trim down), I was doing to much footage in 240 FPS.  The resolution he doesnt want to change but the FPS I need to tone down on most of our filming as, you noted, its not required.  He also spent time in handbrake with me showing me bitrate stuff etc to better help me understand a few things about storage, video quality, etc.

 

I have not yet looked at the cameras, but have this post pulled up intentionally to investigate as soon as I have time.  I really appreciate your help.

 

EDIT - also set on building a complete new editing rig, more for futureproof (5 years without having to replace would be ideal).  Need SPEED in mind when it comes to stuff being done.  Im setting a budget of $2000 max for that not inclusive of a GPU (have an RTX 2060 I will put in it)/peripherals/case at this time.  If you have any advice you want to give please do.

[Electronics Wizardy]

5 hours ago, Tristerin said:

In the current rig I have an RTX 2060 - not sure if I am using it right but I have it as the accelerator option (mercury?  sorry not at home atm)

In premiere, there is the cuda/opencl accerlation. This is used for effects, rescaling and simmilar work.

 

THen there is hardware decoding/encoding for h.264/h.265. This was only supporte on intel igpus for a while, but I think they just added nvidia support. Here is pugets article on it. It should really help here, https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-GPU-Decoding-for-H-264-HEVC-media---is-it-faster-1908/