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What is the oldest modern desktop setup possible?

poochyena

"oldest modern" might sounds like an oxymoron, but hear me out. If you wanted to make a PC that was equivilant to the "average" PC (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XrmFXeOdFc), how old could you get? Some examples; The CPU mentioned in the video is already 8 years old, and I bet an older CPU could be used if higher end and overclocked. The average person uses a 1080p monitor, so a 10+ year old monitor could be used. Optical mice have been around for 2 decades, so a mouse from 2000 could be used. Old mechanical keyboards are even highly sought after! Sony MDR7506 headphones were developed 30 years ago and still being sold with great ratings on amazon, i'm sure there are much older headphones that are indistinguishable from the average modern headphones in terms of quality and connection type (the connector type is over 50 years old). I'm not sure computer cases have changed that much in the past ~30 years.

It would be an interesting way to showcase what tech has progressed the most the quickest, and what hasn't.

 

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I think it's almost entirely software limited now. Most PCs from the last 20 years can do document editing, internet browsing, and other mundane tasks. You'll run into issues like windows requiring 4Gbs of RAM and programs requiring drivers that are out of date and don't have new versions available 

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i'm using a core 2 duo + 2x2+2x1GB DDR2 ram in a windows 10 machine right now, albeit doing non-CPU intensive tasks

i've used a core 2 quad + 2x4GB DDR3 for a couple months in 2019 as temporary bedside rig, it still performs okay for browsing and such

 

and recently i ran some benchmark on it

 

C2Q + 970 still somewhat playable in some games, like R6 Siege

 

sadly i cant get any P4/P3 rigs running, nor do i have the will to attempt resurrections of those platform.

-sigh- feeling like I'm being too negative lately

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It depends heavily on the use case, don't you think?

 

As stated above, core2duos and other similar are still used for media player purposes without trouble. I myself use a GT220 to run a 1080p client of my MMORPG which manages around 30fps but that game was lunched in 2005......

 

Where do you draw the lines between usable, outdated and straight retro tech?

 

 

 

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More or less you'd probably be date-capped to a Core 2 Duo or Quad (or an early AMD Athlon X4/Phenom) as a very basic browsing machine just on a rig alone, so that? 

To be fair, move up to 2009 and you can get a Phenom II X3, which will very competently take you through your internet needs even in 2021.

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image.png.4ec291d3b484f189435d34a7bd66b6b1.png

 

 

 

Soooo lets recap: This above is for the first "top 5 steam games" tested.

Then we see a benchmark of Warzone i presume, which granted is a 2020 game and it's the only one that made it work hard. After that, we have a "Top twitch game benchmarks" which consist (mostly the same from before) of LoL (2009), GTA V (2013), CS GO (2012) and Fortnite (2017).

 

 

I wouldnt consider anything except Warzone and maybe Fortnite modern......  so again @poochyena what is "modern" and what is not. 

This video more shows the point of "Intel sitting on their ass" for so many years and that even their older high-end chips can work with more modern GPUs without significant bottlenecks.

 

Back to the point of the post I guess:  smth like GTX 980 and i7 2nd gen on water cooling would be older and maybe have similar performance to the LTT video machine. The rest peripherals and parts are kinda irrelevant - how old your mouse/keyboard/case/monitor as long as they move the cursor, give input, fit your components, displays at desired res/freq.

 

 

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

I think it's almost entirely software limited now. Most PCs from the last 20 years can do document editing, internet browsing, and other mundane tasks. You'll run into issues like windows requiring 4Gbs of RAM and programs requiring drivers that are out of date and don't have new versions available 

it requires 2gbs my precision 390 has 2gbs of ddr2 ram and runs windows with no issues

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54 minutes ago, komar said:

so again @poochyena what is "modern" and what is not. 

modern just means "relating to the present or recent times as opposed to the remote past.". I think you are incorrectly conflating modern to mean "new". The point is how old can various computer components be without being able to distinguish them from the average desktop of today.

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2 hours ago, Zob said:

it requires 2gbs my precision 390 has 2gbs of ddr2 ram and runs windows with no issues

Technically yes practically no

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DDR - AGP - PCI - Introduction of PCI-E. 512mb-1gb standard ram amount.

DDR2 and DDR3 - Things became rather interesting with a few years of lay over and cross platforming on a single board.

PCI-E 2.0 

PCI-E 3.0 

DDR2 - 2gb-4gb standard amount

DDR3 - 4gb-8gb standard amount

DDR4 - 16gb-32gb standard amount

PCI-E 4.0 (Still trying to utilize the entire bandwidth of 3.0..... almost there!)

 

SSD. Well these go back as far as I can remember. I'd have to look up a date, but I think these where around before 2000, just not really common place on most gaming setups. Somewhere around 2005 If I had to put a finder on it, these became relevant and increasing popularity. But in those times, 2x 10,000 rpm raptors was a common gamer raid 0 setup. 

 

Core count?

well as far back as socket 1366, i7 980 is 6 cores 12 threads. That's 2010 a decade ago.

Essentially memory and Cpu core die shrink IPC vs power consumption improvements.

 

Incremental increase though time across platform. 

 

The biggest jump for a legacy system would be an SSD slapped in and improves system performance 10 fold or more. 

 

Modern video cards don't always comply with Legacy hardware. So as time goes on, you won't be able to mix modern hardware with legacy hardware any more. Even the operating system, W10, is a gross waste of resources on a DDR or DDR2 system. And quite a bit of instruction sets have been added through the years. Already mentioned, software restricted, but also just as much so firmware restricted.

 

Oldest Modern setup would be DDR4 with a 3070 on either platform AMD or Intel. Only you might have purchased it in 2018, well it's getting old now. DDR5 is on the horizon!!

 

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If you want relatively modern as in ddr2/ddr3 ... I'd consider something like a socket 775 system ... Intel D805 or Q6600 or something around that...  or socket AM2+ / AM3 ... Phenom or what was before Phenom..

 

If you want shitty, you could try for one of the first Intel Atom boards with maximum 2 GB of memory and all that jazz ... or AMD's socket AM1 that's single channel SoC design. crappy performance... or go with some Via CPU and chipset...

 

 

 

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My circa 2008 XPS 730X with a X58 LGA1366 Alienware motherboard running an i7-990X, 12gb Tri-channel DDR3 ram on Windows 10 Pro has yet to hit a hardware/software/driver wall.

 

Also with the twin GTX 980's in SLI, I average 124+ fps playing Fortnite.

(Yes I know SLI is dead, but it looks sooo cool!)

 

The case is still very desirable and will never look outdated IMHO.

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Until last year, I also had a XPS 720 with a 680i LGA775 motherboard running a Core2 Q6850 Extreme, 8gb of DDR2 on Windows 10 Pro that functioned like a top.

PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION...

EVGA X299 Dark, i7-9800X, EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 SLI

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