Why doesn't LTT staff use Vivaldi for web browsing in the office?

[Autoism]

Saw one of their more recent videos, specifically the one debuting StarLink on Linus Tech Tips and it physically pained me to see Linus using the snap feature for putting together multiple browsers when it would had been so much cleaner for him to just use Vivaldi, spin up a bunch of videos and control-click the tabs he wanted to tile so the loaded pages appear tiled in the browser viewport with a single instance of the browser interface

 

Combined with the capability of the browser interface being modified with CSS by enabling this feature in vivaldi://experiments and then defining a path for scripts in vivaldi://settings/appearance, the browser can have a video-worthy based appearance and the next time anybody needs to view multiple pages at once, they can just split tabs for days — And be able to view them better with their most recent iteration which allows for two-level tab bars to be shown for tab stacks, which those could be tiled at-will by an end-user should they wish.

 

It's just a better browser for people who are familiar with Chrome already and have a hard time wrangling tabs, wanting to either cross-compare or view multiple pages at-once should users want to. I don't get why they haven't evaluated it for work use already.

[lewdicrous]

1 minute ago, Autoism said:

it physically pained me

It's just a browser, chill..

[TempestCatto]

They just use whatever works best for their workflow. If you make a person who is used to using ProTools use Ableton, they're not gonna be as good or quick at doing projects, and their overall quality will be reduced as a result. Sure they can learn over time, but it's just not worth it in the long run.

 

I know that was a big comparison there, but my point stands. They're used to using one thing, it works very well, there are no major flaws with it that would cause concern so why switch? It's fine.

[SupaKomputa]

Fresh install windows > open edge > search for google chrome > bing: why don't you use edge > nope! google chrome > install chrome > set as default.

[Autoism]

2 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

google chrome [sic]

Because who cares about data privacy anyway?

[SupaKomputa]

1 minute ago, Autoism said:

Because who cares about data privacy anyway?

Yeah who cares. It's all just marketing gimmick from VPN companies. 

[lewdicrous]

42 minutes ago, Autoism said:

Because who cares about data privacy anyway?

Chrome, Vivaldi, Brave, Opera, Edge, etc. all run on Chromium/based on it.

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[Autoism]

And? Does the Chromium source code provision upload of all web browsing data to Google's servers? To my recollection Chromium was just the framework for a web browser interface which uses Blink for its rendering engine. Whether Chromium is a data privacy risk is entirely dependent on how it was compiled and what its settings are, not unlike any application using Electron.

 

That supposition is just like saying GitHub's Atom Editor also sends every line of code you write to Google. Doesn't happen.

[lewdicrous]

2 minutes ago, Autoism said:

And? Does the Chromium source code provision upload of all web browsing data to Google's servers? To my recollection Chromium was just the framework for a web browser interface which uses Blink for its rendering engine. Whether CHromium is a data privacy risk is entirely dependent on how it was compiled and what its settings are, not unlike any application using Electron.

 

That supposition is just like saying GitHub's Atom Editor also sends every line of code you write to Google. Doesn't happen.

And, I'm just letting you know that they're all based on the same engine.

Also, Facebook is one of the contributors to the project. The pinnacle of privacy.

[Autoism]

5 minutes ago, lewdicrous said:

Facebook is one of the contributors to the project. The pinnacle of privacy. 

I mean, we're going that direction with this conversation about Vivaldi, by that logic we shouldn't be even bother with Linux because every major tech company which exist today had contributed to its code, and The Linux Foundation is under direction of International Business Machines, which Microsoft had recently become a part of.

[Haro]

Oh, ok. 

[lewdicrous]

15 minutes ago, Autoism said:

I mean, we're going that direction with this conversation about Vivaldi, by that logic we shouldn't be even bother with Linux because every major Internet company which exist today had contributed to its code, and The Linux FOundation is under direction of International Business Machines, which Microsoft had recently become a part of.

Hell yeah! Let's be hermits and live off of the wild, away from prying eyes! Let's build a cottage in the woods so that our privacy remains intact! /s

 

The illusion of privacy and ownership of ones personal data is just that, an illusion. Governments, ISPs, websites, etc., they all collect your stuff. Sure it shouldn't be that way, but that's the sad reality.

[lewdicrous]

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A response to your actual post: It's all personal preference. People use what they want.

[akio123008]

1 minute ago, lewdicrous said:

People use what they want.

To elaborate on that; even in an office, individual employees can still use whatever they prefer. 

 

I guess the system administrator could, if they really wanted to, only install the browser they prefer, but in practice not many employers go that way.

 

[minibois]

49 minutes ago, Autoism said:

Saw one of their more recent videos, specifically the one debuting StarLink on Linus Tech Tips and it physically pained me to see Linus using the snap feature for putting together multiple browsers when it would had been so much cleaner for him to just use Vivaldi, spin up a bunch of videos and control-click the tabs he wanted to tile so the loaded pages appear tiled in the browser viewport with a single instance of the browser interface

Why would they need to use Vivaldi, or really any specific browser for this though?

You can just drag a window to a corner and Windows snap will just snap it to a corner. No need to specifically use a while different browser and workflow, for one specific task for a minute.

[TVwazhere]

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[lewdicrous]

10 minutes ago, akio123008 said:

To elaborate on that; even in an office, individual employees can still use whatever they prefer. 

 

I guess the system administrator could, if they really wanted to, only install the browser they prefer, but in practice not many employers go that way.

Depends; I know a high security setting where the work provided devices are locked-down by the IT techs and they only allow apps that they vetted.

When talking about production (film, photography, etc.), they might use one software/suite for every device, either because of licensing (cheaper to buy Adobe for everyone, for example, instead of buying multiple suites) or due to compatibility (everyone uses the same software/OS, so you know that they will work well together). There can be other reasons, of course.

 

However, when talking about a browser, in a not so "high security" setting, it doesn't really matter. It falls under personal preference.

[Autoism]

18 minutes ago, lewdicrous said:

The thread was derailed when you mentioned it.

That's fair I guess. I did mention privacy, just as a wisecrack under impression that everybody here should know that Chrome — Google Chrome, not necessarily Chromium is a poor choice if you actually give a toss about your data privacy. What's sad is it seems like everyone here has kind of given up and is more than willing to let digital overseers poke about in their personal lives, as if the very concept of privacy itself people held dear had yielded to the concessions we give big tech companies for providing their services freely and admitting defeat, under the impression our house is made entirely of glass.

 

So yes, I cocked up with that statement. Have fun mocking me for this one little thing destroying the original topic at hand. Makes me wonder if I am better off trashing my OP with child porn and hoping a moderator hides this topic real fast.

 

9 minutes ago, minibois said:

No need to specifically use a while different browser and workflow, for one specific task for a minute.

It honestly wasn't just about that. Vivaldi's browser interface is very capable for more than that one particular instance. I've always wondered why Linus hadn't switched over to Vivaldi for the WAN show, at the very least to have multiple tab stacks named for specific topics with various sources in each, because that would actually be a great choice of browser for displaying information, as much as consuming it but I suppose I'm being unreasonable in suggesting that.

[Autoism]

If I had that kind of attitude I wouldn't had bothered checking out Ubuntu, which eventually led to me using Manjaro. If we're taking that logic to its furthest extent, why are you even watching Linus Tech Tips when the vast majority of their videos is Hey I have this cool thing consider checking it out!?

[minibois]

7 minutes ago, Autoism said:

It honestly wasn't just about that. Vivaldi's browser interface is very capable for more than that one particular instance. I've always wondered why Linus hadn't switched over to Vivaldi for the WAN show, at the very least to have multiple tab stacks named for specific topics with various sources in each, because that would actually be a great choice of browser for displaying information, as much as consuming it but I suppose I'm being unreasonable in suggesting that.

Chrome has actually recently added a group tab feature, is that similar to what you're referring to at all?

I can make groups, add tabs to said group and that way things are all neatly laid out.

 

It's certainly not perfect (i.e. groups in groups and pinning tabs to a group would be great), but that could work for what you are suggesting.

But I'm fairly sure for the WAN show they mostly use the WAN show (Google) doc, which houses all the links in there. I doubt Linus has all the links pre-opened and am fairly sure he just opens what is needed when it's needed.

 

Keep in mind people - especially those who have used something maybe a decade already - are kind of apprehensive to someone saying "Why don't you use..", "You should use..", etc.

Of course everyone responds differently to it, but to a lot of people you're suddenly challenging their opinion, which they will want to defend their opinion. Sometimes people defend their opinion a bit more hostile than others though.

 

What in my experience usually works better is saying something like:

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Hey, I saw Linus faffing about with resizing the windows in <link to video with timestamp>.

Browser x actually has a great feature for this, that allows you to easily and quickly do what you are referring to.

 

It also has other feature you mentioned about grouping tabs, it may be worth to check out to see if you like it!

 

[WkdPaul]

30 minutes ago, Autoism said:

Makes me wonder if I am better off trashing my OP with child porn and hoping a moderator hides this topic real fast.

If you're interested in getting reported to the authorities, then go ahead, otherwise, simply use the report button to ask for a lock next time.

 

 

With that said ; thread locked.

Edited February 10, 2021 by wkdpaul