3000 c16 for 5900x?

[-rascal-]

5 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

 

Some guys told they succeed to overclock it to 3200.. the 3000

what you think?

 

 

DDR4-3200 is still pretty slow....

 

DDR4-3200 CL16 = 10 ns latency

DDR4-3000 CL14 = 9.33 ns latency

DDR$-3600 CL16 =  8.88 ns latency

 

I've got 4x 8GB G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-3000 14-14-14-34 running at DDR4-3600 15-16-16-34.

And I'm using them on an Intel platform.

 

I am running 2 (2 X 8GB) sets of these:

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232487

 

They come in TridentZ Neo form, though they don't have a DDR4-3000 version, but DDR4-3200.

Limited to 8GB modules, and no 16GB or 32GB modules, though.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232848

 

Ryzen favors higher Memory Frequency.

Like I said, FCLK and the Infinity Fabric / CCX (communication busy between the Ryzen cores / chiplets) is LINKED to Memory Frequency.

It is 1:1:1 until around 1900 ~ 2000 MHz (e.g. DDR4-3800 ~ DDR4-4000).

Faster the DRAM Frequency, the faster the "inter-core" communication.

[Zowy1]

6 hours ago, -rascal- said:

 

DDR4-3200 is still pretty slow....

 

DDR4-3200 CL16 = 10 ns latency

DDR4-3000 CL14 = 9.33 ns latency

DDR$-3600 CL16 =  8.88 ns latency

 

I've got 4x 8GB G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-3000 14-14-14-34 running at DDR4-3600 15-16-16-34.

And I'm using them on an Intel platform.

 

I am running 2 (2 X 8GB) sets of these:

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232487

 

They come in TridentZ Neo form, though they don't have a DDR4-3000 version, but DDR4-3200.

Limited to 8GB modules, and no 16GB or 32GB modules, though.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232848

 

Ryzen favors higher Memory Frequency.

Like I said, FCLK and the Infinity Fabric / CCX (communication busy between the Ryzen cores / chiplets) is LINKED to Memory Frequency.

It is 1:1:1 until around 1900 ~ 2000 MHz (e.g. DDR4-3800 ~ DDR4-4000).

Faster the DRAM Frequency, the faster the "inter-core" communication.

So you recommend 3800Mhz?

But here you told you succeed doing overclock to them.. from 3000 C14 to 3600 C15 it is pretty good..

So I dont know because I prefer the royals and I wanna 4 sticks becaure of some aesthetics..

But Neo Z 3600 C16 4X16 costs 500$... same price as 4X16 3000 Royals.

 

or I can buy 2X32GB 3200 C16 Royals for 100$ cheaper and save money....

Some people told that 3200 is fine for Ryzen or 3600.

 

[For Science!]

18 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

So you recommend 3800Mhz?

But here you told you succeed doing overclock to them.. from 3000 C14 to 3600 C15 it is pretty good..

So I dont know because I prefer the royals and I wanna 4 sticks becaure of some aesthetics..

But Neo Z 3600 C16 4X16 costs 500$... same price as 4X16 3000 Royals.

 

or I can buy 2X32GB 3200 C16 Royals for 100$ cheaper and save money....

Some people told that 3200 is fine for Ryzen or 3600.

 

don't forget that you can also overclock the 2x32 GB 3200 C16......go for the 2x32 GB, it just isn't sensible to get 4x16 given the circumstances.

[Zowy1]

18 minutes ago, For Science! said:

don't forget that you can also overclock the 2x32 GB 3200 C16......go for the 2x32 GB, it just isn't sensible to get 4x16 given the circumstances.

What is the circumstances? Because I prefer the Royals?

Overclock 4 sticks is really pretty hard?

 

[For Science!]

19 hours ago, For Science! said:

You've answered your own question, 2 sticks of RAM is better in all aspects (price, density, and performance), the only reason why 4 sticks is "superior" is because you like the look. Is the look of 4 sticks worth $100 and the inability to upgrade to 128 GB RAM in future? only you know.

do what you want.

[-rascal-]

9 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

So you recommend 3800Mhz?

But here you told you succeed doing overclock to them.. from 3000 C14 to 3600 C15 it is pretty good..

So I dont know because I prefer the royals and I wanna 4 sticks becaure of some aesthetics..

But Neo Z 3600 C16 4X16 costs 500$... same price as 4X16 3000 Royals.

 

or I can buy 2X32GB 3200 C16 Royals for 100$ cheaper and save money....

Some people told that 3200 is fine for Ryzen or 3600.

 

 

AMD is saying if you are lucky, you can get up to 3800 ~ 4800 MHz.

DDR4-3600 is the the point where the price is reasonable, and frequency majority of the Ryzen CPUs can handle.

DDR4-3800+ is higher bin, and they will start to charge more because it's likely the top 10% of DDR4 memory ICs.

 

The DDR4-3600 CL15 I did is through MANUAL overclocking.

XMP disabled, following a DDR4 Overclocking Guide, a couple of hours each day, and a lot of trial-and-error.

I was tweaking the Primary, Secondary, and Tertiary memory timings -- enabling XMP ONLY sets the Primary timings, everything else is basically 'Auto.'

 

Here's the guide I followed:

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md

 

Guide + dong research on what the CPU and Motherboard can handle (i7-8086K + Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master)

 

 

9 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

What is the circumstances? Because I prefer the Royals?

Overclock 4 sticks is really pretty hard?

 

 

Yes, 4x sticks of Memory is harder to overclock, as it is more stress / load on the CPU's Integrated Memory Controller (IMC) vs. 2x sticks.

Say with 2x sticks you can get DDR4-3800 stable. 4x sticks, you might only be able to get DDR4-3600 or DDR4-3400.

The memory timings *may* need to be slower, and/or higher DRAM voltage is needed to get the overclock stable, etc.

 

Get the royals if you want.

At the end of the day, none of us can stop you....

 

Spending TOO much extra $$$ JUST because of aesthetics is not a smart choice -- that is what we are trying to tell you.

If you are just using the PC for gaming, 32GB will probably last you MORE than the life of the system.

 

I have 32GB, but I use my system to also write / simulate / synthesize / program FPGA chips, and fiddle around with ASICs -- for work.

Even 32GB is plenty for what I do.

 

 

[Zowy1]

2 hours ago, -rascal- said:

 

AMD is saying if you are lucky, you can get up to 3800 ~ 4800 MHz.

DDR4-3600 is the the point where the price is reasonable, and frequency majority of the Ryzen CPUs can handle.

DDR4-3800+ is higher bin, and they will start to charge more because it's likely the top 10% of DDR4 memory ICs.

 

The DDR4-3600 CL15 I did is through MANUAL overclocking.

XMP disabled, following a DDR4 Overclocking Guide, a couple of hours each day, and a lot of trial-and-error.

I was tweaking the Primary, Secondary, and Tertiary memory timings -- enabling XMP ONLY sets the Primary timings, everything else is basically 'Auto.'

 

Here's the guide I followed:

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md

 

Guide + dong research on what the CPU and Motherboard can handle (i7-8086K + Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master)

 

 

 

Yes, 4x sticks of Memory is harder to overclock, as it is more stress / load on the CPU's Integrated Memory Controller (IMC) vs. 2x sticks.

Say with 2x sticks you can get DDR4-3800 stable. 4x sticks, you might only be able to get DDR4-3600 or DDR4-3400.

The memory timings *may* need to be slower, and/or higher DRAM voltage is needed to get the overclock stable, etc.

 

Get the royals if you want.

At the end of the day, none of us can stop you....

 

Spending TOO much extra $$$ JUST because of aesthetics is not a smart choice -- that is what we are trying to tell you.

If you are just using the PC for gaming, 32GB will probably last you MORE than the life of the system.

 

I have 32GB, but I use my system to also write / simulate / synthesize / program FPGA chips, and fiddle around with ASICs -- for work.

Even 32GB is plenty for what I do.

 

 

Yeah but I dont know how the potential of royals...

If at the same price I can buy 2X32GB or 4X16 of Z NEO.. 3600 C16.. what is worth more?

And I see Crucial ballistix RGB ram 3200/3600 and I heard it is a very good overclock potential.

 

About the 64GB ram.. you can see this video:

 

[AngryBeaver]

Imo function is more important than a slight difference in anesthetics.

 

That being said 3600 cl16 would be my aim. For the 1x1 infinity fabric.

 

So if 64gb of the royal 3600 is to expensive then go with 8x4 for 32 gb of it. Outside of extensive VMs there isn't any real need for that amount of ram.

[-rascal-]

54 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

Yeah but I dont know how the potential of royals...

If at the same price I can buy 2X32GB or 4X16 of Z NEO.. 3600 C16.. what is worth more?

And I see Crucial ballistix RGB ram 3200/3600 and I heard it is a very good overclock potential.

 

About the 64GB ram.. you can see this video:

 

 

Whether it is the Trident Z RGB, Royals, or NEO...

If they the kit(s) you are comparing have the exact same timings, they are likely the same bin.

Only thing different is the heatsink and RGB over them.

 

The TridentZ kits I have...16GB of it is a non-RGB kit that is a few years older.

The other 16GB is a newer RGB version.

BOTH have the same model number, the RGB kit has an extra 'R' at the end.

F4-3200C14D-16GTZ

F4-3200C14D-16GTZR

Both are rated for DDR4-3000 14-14-14-34.

Both are using Samsung B-Die DDR4 memory chips.

 

 

I went through the video briefly.

Yes, if you have more RAM, Windows will "spread out" more...just like if you have more VRAM on your graphics card.

You don't have to "close your Chrome tabs, stop Windows updates, Close your game launchers..." EVEN with 16GB.

 

Here is the thing, because of SSDs (SATA and NVMe) loading / pulling data off the drive is fast, almost instant now.

So it doesn't matter if Windows doesn't "spread out" as much.

 

This is exactly like the guy's comment:

"It is not 1997" ... we don't use 50 MB/s spinning IDE HDDs anymore. We have nearly 7000+ MB/s SSDs.

Opening Chrome doesn't take 3 minutes now, it's instant.

Loading Windows doesn't take 5 minutes, it's like under 20 seconds.

 

If you  have USE for 64GB, then you need it.

If it is just for looks, and "futureproofing", those are not good reasons.

 

Like for me, I need 32GB because 16GB would lock up the system with trying to synthesis an FPGA load.

I can use up all 32GB if I load multiple raw data files that are ~4GB each, and let the computer crunch the numbers overnight.

If this PC was just for "home" use, like gaming, I would've just stuck with 16GB.

 

...For that reason the computer I have at work has 32GB of RAM...

...because I have ran into memory errors before, because it's gets full and crashes the entire thing at like 2 AM...only to find out the next morning...

 

[Zowy1]

21 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

Whether it is the Trident Z RGB, Royals, or NEO...

If they the kit(s) you are comparing have the exact same timings, they are likely the same bin.

Only thing different is the heatsink and RGB over them.

 

The TridentZ kits I have...16GB of it is a non-RGB kit that is a few years older.

The other 16GB is a newer RGB version.

BOTH have the same model number, the RGB kit has an extra 'R' at the end.

F4-3200C14D-16GTZ

F4-3200C14D-16GTZR

Both are rated for DDR4-3000 14-14-14-34.

Both are using Samsung B-Die DDR4 memory chips.

 

 

I went through the video briefly.

Yes, if you have more RAM, Windows will "spread out" more...just like if you have more VRAM on your graphics card.

You don't have to "close your Chrome tabs, stop Windows updates, Close your game launchers..." EVEN with 16GB.

 

Here is the thing, because of SSDs (SATA and NVMe) loading / pulling data off the drive is fast, almost instant now.

So it doesn't matter if Windows doesn't "spread out" as much.

 

This is exactly like the guy's comment:

"It is not 1997" ... we don't use 50 MB/s spinning IDE HDDs anymore. We have nearly 7000+ MB/s SSDs.

Opening Chrome doesn't take 3 minutes now, it's instant.

Loading Windows doesn't take 5 minutes, it's like under 20 seconds.

 

If you  have USE for 64GB, then you need it.

If it is just for looks, and "futureproofing", those are not good reasons.

 

Like for me, I need 32GB because 16GB would lock up the system with trying to synthesis an FPGA load.

I can use up all 32GB if I load multiple raw data files that are ~4GB each, and let the computer crunch the numbers overnight.

If this PC was just for "home" use, like gaming, I would've just stuck with 16GB.

 

...For that reason the computer I have at work has 32GB of RAM...

...because I have ran into memory errors before, because it's gets full and crashes the entire thing at like 2 AM...only to find out the next morning...

 

Yeah but today 16GB even for gaming is not good because you buy system for 3-4 years minimum.

You are correct.. open softwares today is only few seconds but.. you are not always like or wanna close softwares to open others...

maybe if you doing some work or editing or whatever.. with more ram you can open some things and game in the background..

maybe 32GB is good yeah..

 

The royals use Samsung chips? I dont know if choose 2 sticks or 4.

I dont think I will upgrade to 128GB..

 

[Zowy1]

26 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

Imo function is more important than a slight difference in anesthetics.

 

That being said 3600 cl16 would be my aim. For the 1x1 infinity fabric.

 

So if 64gb of the royal 3600 is to expensive then go with 8x4 for 32 gb of it. Outside of extensive VMs there isn't any real need for that amount of ram.

Royal 3600 I think not appear on the QVL on my mobo..

same price - you choose 2 sticks or 4 sticks?

I dont think to upgrade to 128GB later.. or maybe..

And I see crucial ballistix is a good ram? I heard it is a very good potential overclocking..

 

I can buy 3200 for 100$ cheaper..