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RTX 3070 Underperforming?

Hello, 

I recently got my hands on an RTX 3070, and while I am very happy with the performance, (upgrading from a laptop with a 940MX) when comparing my performance to those of benchmarks of computers with similar specs, I can't help but feel that my system is underperforming. My specs are:

Ryzen 5 3600

Zotac 3070 Twin Edge OC

3200MHZ T-Force Delta RGB Ram

MSI B550 A Pro motherboard

500 GB Western Digital SATA M.2 SSD

2 TB Seagate Barracuda HDD

XPG 650W Gold PSU

 

I average around 50-60 FPS on Cyberpunk maxed out, 100-110 FPS on Battlefield V Ultra, and as low as 70-80 FPS on GTA V Ultra. 

While these are great framerates for me, I seem to be consistently losing 15-20 fps comparative to benchmarks. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

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11 minutes ago, mysticchair said:

While these are great framerates for me, I seem to be consistently losing 15-20 fps comparative to benchmarks. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

There are a lot of benchmarks and not all are the same.

7 minutes ago, mysticchair said:

I play at 1080p

I think the RTX 3070 is Overkill for 1080p.

Gaming With a 4:3 CRT

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CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X with a Noctua NH-U9S cooler 
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RAM: 16GB (2 x 8GB) of DDR4 GEIL Evo Potenza, OC to 3200Mhz
GPU: EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC Blower Card
HDD: 7200RPM TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 1TB, External HDD: 5400RPM 2TB WD My Passport
SSD: NONE, eveything works fine, no need to upgrade, stop telling me I need an SSD. Ok, things be slow sometimes.
PSU: Corsair CX650M
Displays: ViewSonic VA2012WB LCD 1680x1050p @ 75Hz
Gateway VX920 CRT: 1920x1440@65Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@125Hz
Gateway VX900 CRT: 1920x1440@64Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@120Hz (Can be pushed to 175Hz)
(Yes, I use a CRT and I prefer gaming on one)
 
Cooling: Grill with filter installed onto the front panel for air intake cooling with a 120mm Corsair ML120 fan and an old recycled 92mm cooler master(forgot model) fan for exhaust.
 
Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS MEKA PRO with Cherry MX Red switches
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that's seems like its underperforming 

try checking your driver settings and see if you need any updates or something

or check task manager while playing 

 

 

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Benchmarks don't apply to you. Also Ultra settings are for screenshots and High settings are for playing.

 

2 minutes ago, MadAnt250 said:

There are a lot of benchmarks and not all are the same.

I think the RTX 3070 is Overkill for 1080p.

For E sports games, not AAA games. 

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37 minutes ago, mysticchair said:

Hello, 

I recently got my hands on an RTX 3070, and while I am very happy with the performance, (upgrading from a laptop with a 940MX) when comparing my performance to those of benchmarks of computers with similar specs, I can't help but feel that my system is underperforming. My specs are:

Ryzen 5 3600

Zotac 3070 Twin Edge OC

3200MHZ T-Force Delta RGB Ram

MSI B550 A Pro motherboard

500 GB Western Digital SATA M.2 SSD

2 TB Seagate Barracuda HDD

XPG 650W Gold PSU

 

I average around 50-60 FPS on Cyberpunk maxed out, 100-110 FPS on Battlefield V Ultra, and as low as 70-80 FPS on GTA V Ultra. 

While these are great framerates for me, I seem to be consistently losing 15-20 fps comparative to benchmarks. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

 

Can you link to some of the benchmarks you looked at?

 

Keep in mind, most reviewers, when benchmarking graphics cards, they don't use a "mid-range' CPU, but rather something like a i9-10900K, or Ryzen 5900X, etc.

At that point, the CPU is less / not a bottleneck, and is more GPU bound.

 

And likewise, when reviewing CPUs, like a Ryzen 3600, a high-end GPU would typically be used, like a RTX 2080 Ti, RTX 3080, etc.

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38 minutes ago, MadAnt250 said:

There are a lot of benchmarks and not all are the same.

I think the RTX 3070 is Overkill for 1080p.

You're gonna have to be more specific about that. We're not talking about CS:GO here. Some triple aaa's at 1080p need like a 3060ti or 3070- possibly more- to totally crank the settings 

I am NOT a professional and a lot of the time what I'm saying is based on limited knowledge and experience. I'm going to be incorrect at times. 
My build:
CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz                            GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v                                Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16     Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff) 
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

Notes:
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To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated. It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

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21 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

Can you link to some of the benchmarks you looked at?

 

Keep in mind, most reviewers, when benchmarking graphics cards, they don't use a "mid-range' CPU, but rather something like a i9-10900K, or Ryzen 5900X, etc.

At that point, the CPU is less / not a bottleneck, and is more GPU bound.

 

And likewise, when reviewing CPUs, like a Ryzen 3600, a high-end GPU would typically be used, like a RTX 2080 Ti, RTX 3080, etc.

 

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2 minutes ago, mysticchair said:

 

One thing I forgot to mention is that it isn't 100% of the time that my system is getting lower fps. Sometimes, it runs perfectly on par with how it should be, and other times it is losing 10-20 fps. There isn't much of a pattern to when it scores lower, it just seems to be random. 

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On 1/28/2021 at 9:23 PM, Brok3n But who cares? said:

Some triple aaa's at 1080p need like a 3060ti or 3070- possibly more- to totally crank the settings 

That is with maxed out settings, and there are times people are not even going to notice the difference between High and Ultra.

On 1/28/2021 at 8:27 PM, mysticchair said:

I average around 50-60 FPS on Cyberpunk maxed out, 100-110 FPS on Battlefield V Ultra, and as low as 70-80 FPS on GTA V Ultra. 

1. You are CPU bound in those games.

2. Depending on some other settings, and where and what you are doing in the game, your numbers are probably fine compared to those benchmarks.

3. You could make some adjustments to gain another few FPS.

4. Once you have the settings that work for you, turn off the FPS counter and enjoy the game.

Gaming With a 4:3 CRT

System specs below

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X with a Noctua NH-U9S cooler 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 Aorus M (Because it was cheap for what it had)
RAM: 16GB (2 x 8GB) of DDR4 GEIL Evo Potenza, OC to 3200Mhz
GPU: EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC Blower Card
HDD: 7200RPM TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 1TB, External HDD: 5400RPM 2TB WD My Passport
SSD: NONE, eveything works fine, no need to upgrade, stop telling me I need an SSD. Ok, things be slow sometimes.
PSU: Corsair CX650M
Displays: ViewSonic VA2012WB LCD 1680x1050p @ 75Hz
Gateway VX920 CRT: 1920x1440@65Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@125Hz
Gateway VX900 CRT: 1920x1440@64Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@120Hz (Can be pushed to 175Hz)
(Yes, I use a CRT and I prefer gaming on one)
 
Cooling: Grill with filter installed onto the front panel for air intake cooling with a 120mm Corsair ML120 fan and an old recycled 92mm cooler master(forgot model) fan for exhaust.
 
Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS MEKA PRO with Cherry MX Red switches
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6 minutes ago, MadAnt250 said:

That is maxed out setting, and there are times people are not even going to notice the difference between High and Ultra.

1. You are CPU bound.

2. Depending on some other settings, and where and what you are doing in the game, your numbers are probably fine.

3. You could make some adjustments to gain another few FPS.

4. Once you have the settings that work for you, turn off the FPS counter and enjoy the game.

"That is maxed out setting, and there are times people are not even going to notice the difference between High and Ultra." ... Does that matter? If you can't tell the difference between high and ultra, do you really think that high will magically improve your fps drastically? It's not like you'd be fine on any graphics card on high, but nope once you reach ultra settings, you need a 3070. 

1. No they're not. the 3600 performs pretty fine with the rtx 3070. Unless there's something wrong they shouldn't be

2. No, not really. 

3. Yeah obviously, They're running on ultra. 

4. Turning off the FPS counter doesn't magically improve frames. The difference between 144fps and 60fps is very significant. If they wanted to just turn off the fps counter and enjoy the game, they could've already done that. 

I am NOT a professional and a lot of the time what I'm saying is based on limited knowledge and experience. I'm going to be incorrect at times. 
My build:
CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz                            GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v                                Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16     Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff) 
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

Notes:
Spoiler

To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated. It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

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Ok,

On 1/28/2021 at 10:08 PM, Brok3n But who cares? said:

Does that matter?

Yes.

On 1/28/2021 at 10:08 PM, Brok3n But who cares? said:

If you can't tell the difference between high and ultra, do you really think that high will magically improve your fps drastically?

1. Magic does not apply here.

2. I did not say there will be a drastic improvement but sometimes it helps.

On 1/28/2021 at 10:08 PM, Brok3n But who cares? said:

It's not like you'd be fine on any graphics card on high, but nope once you reach ultra settings, you need a 3070. 

I don't know what you are implying. A 3070 is the way to go? I don't know.

On 1/28/2021 at 10:08 PM, Brok3n But who cares? said:

1. No they're not.

+90%  CPU usage as shown in the benchmarks or gameplay in the games the OP has stated. Not a big problem, unless the OP is expecting similar performance to a setup that uses the same GPU but a higher end CPU.

On 1/28/2021 at 10:08 PM, Brok3n But who cares? said:

2. No, not really.

Given the information provided and comparing the live FPS and not the average FPS, I would say the OP's numbers are close.

On 1/28/2021 at 10:08 PM, Brok3n But who cares? said:

4. Turning off the FPS counter doesn't magically improve frames. The difference between 144fps and 60fps is very significant. If they wanted to just turn off the fps counter and enjoy the game, they could've already done that. 

I did not say or imply that turning of the counter will improve the frames. I do not know how you are getting these ideas off of things I did not say.

 

 

Gaming With a 4:3 CRT

System specs below

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X with a Noctua NH-U9S cooler 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 Aorus M (Because it was cheap for what it had)
RAM: 16GB (2 x 8GB) of DDR4 GEIL Evo Potenza, OC to 3200Mhz
GPU: EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC Blower Card
HDD: 7200RPM TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 1TB, External HDD: 5400RPM 2TB WD My Passport
SSD: NONE, eveything works fine, no need to upgrade, stop telling me I need an SSD. Ok, things be slow sometimes.
PSU: Corsair CX650M
Displays: ViewSonic VA2012WB LCD 1680x1050p @ 75Hz
Gateway VX920 CRT: 1920x1440@65Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@125Hz
Gateway VX900 CRT: 1920x1440@64Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@120Hz (Can be pushed to 175Hz)
(Yes, I use a CRT and I prefer gaming on one)
 
Cooling: Grill with filter installed onto the front panel for air intake cooling with a 120mm Corsair ML120 fan and an old recycled 92mm cooler master(forgot model) fan for exhaust.
 
Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS MEKA PRO with Cherry MX Red switches
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4 hours ago, Gix7Fifty said:

Benchmarks don't apply to you. Also Ultra settings are for screenshots and High settings are for playing.

 

For E sports games, not AAA games. 

100% agree with you on this, the hit in FPS from high to ultra is never worth it. I use a 3440x1440 34 inch ultrawide with a rtx3070 and have 0 complaints, I also don't play on ultra unless it's old like fallout or siege

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