Thunderbolt on mobo / fan headers - really matter?

[Zowy1]

I will try to decide on mobo.. the options I think:

X570 TAICHI / X570 HERO / B550 VISION

 

But it looks like the B550 have all the latest features and the others not..

and what about fan headers for future - really needed to check that?

 

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, Zowy1 said:

and what about fan headers for future - really needed to check that?

What do you mean?

[boggy77]

well, what cpu are you using and what features do you actually need?

if you need thunderbolt, b550 vision is the way to go.

I don't really understand the question about fan headers.

Maybe give a bit more detail on what you need.

[Zowy1]

Just now, ragnarok0273 said:

What do you mean?

I mean enough fan headers on mobo for more fans in the future.

 

[Zowy1]

Just now, boggy77 said:

well, what cpu are you using and what features do you actually need?

if you need thunderbolt, b550 vision is the way to go.

I don't really understand the question about fan headers.

Maybe give a bit more detail on what you need.

5900X

 

I dont know if I really need TB but.. I will buy expensive system and I want that all the good features are included..

maybe I will used on 4K 144hz screen

[boggy77]

28 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

5900X

 

I dont know if I really need TB but.. I will buy expensive system and I want that all the good features are included..

maybe I will used on 4K 144hz screen

go for the vision D, then.

[Zowy1]

5 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

go for the vision D, then.

Why you think?

and I have black case haha

[boggy77]

6 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

Why you think?

and I have black case haha

because it has thunderbolt.

[Zowy1]

54 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

because it has thunderbolt.

But this is really matter?

have more mobos with this on x570?

 

[boggy77]

1 hour ago, Zowy1 said:

But this is really matter?

have more mobos with this on x570?

 

it only matters if you plan using it.

i'd also generally recommend b550 over x570 unless you have a specific need for a x570 feature.

[Zowy1]

1 minute ago, boggy77 said:

it only matters if you plan using it.

i'd also generally recommend b550 over x570 unless you have a specific need for a x570 feature.

Can you give some example for feature that only x570 support?

CMOS button and bios flash is advantage 

[boggy77]

2 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

Can you give some example for feature that only x570 support?

CMOS button and bios flash is advantage 

most b550 boards have bios flash, while most x570 dont.

 

from msi's website:

 

"Some professionals may need even more power and extensibility than what the B550 platform can offer. For such professionals, MSI’s X570 motherboards are the ideal choice. If any of the following apply to you, the X570 platform is a better choice:

You use more than 4 USB 3.1 devices

You use more than 6 SATA devices

You use more than 3 Gen 4 M.2 SSDs"

[Zowy1]

2 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

most b550 boards have bios flash, while most x570 dont.

 

from msi's website:

 

"Some professionals may need even more power and extensibility than what the B550 platform can offer. For such professionals, MSI’s X570 motherboards are the ideal choice. If any of the following apply to you, the X570 platform is a better choice:

You use more than 4 USB 3.1 devices

You use more than 6 SATA devices

You use more than 3 Gen 4 M.2 SSDs"

 

But X570 offer up to 3 m.2 SSDs.

And the price.. x570 sometimes same as B550..

which boards also support thunderbolt? It is useful only if I want to charge devices and use high res monitors?

 

[-rascal-]

2 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

 

But X570 offer up to 3 m.2 SSDs.

And the price.. x570 sometimes same as B550..

which boards also support thunderbolt? It is useful only if I want to charge devices and use high res monitors?

 

 

Correct, that is one of the big differences between X570 and B550.

More NVMe M.2 slots, X570 chipset can allocate PCI-E 4.0 lanes to the extra M.2 slots.

B550 only allocates PCI-E 3.0 lanes to the extra M.2 slots.

If you are only going to be using 1 (or 2) NVMe M.2 SSDs, no need to worry.

 

B550

• 16 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to GPU (from CPU)
• 4 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to primary NVMe M.2 slot (from CPU)
• 4 PCI-E 3.0 lanes to second NVMe M.2 slot (from B550 chipset)

X570

• 16 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to GPU (from CPU)
• 4 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to primary NVMe M.2 slot (from CPU)
• 4 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to second NVMe M.2 slot (from X570 chipset)
• 4 PCI-E 3.0/4.0 lanes to second NVMe M.2 slot (from X570 chipset)

 

B550 boards typically has more features, as they were released much later the X570.

X570 released with the Ryzen 3000-series, while B550 came out around Ryzen 5000-series.

 

As for thunderbolt...check the specifications of the boards...

 

BUT the question comes up...if you don't NEED Thunderbolt right away, why are you looking for it?

If you need Thunderbolt later on, and the board does not have it, you can always add a PCI-E x1 / x4 Thunderbolt card...

[Zowy1]

20 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

Correct, that is one of the big differences between X570 and B550.

More NVMe M.2 slots, X570 chipset can allocate PCI-E 4.0 lanes to the extra M.2 slots.

B550 only allocates PCI-E 3.0 lanes to the extra M.2 slots.

If you are only going to be using 1 (or 2) NVMe M.2 SSDs, no need to worry.

 

B550

• 16 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to GPU (from CPU)
• 4 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to primary NVMe M.2 slot (from CPU)
• 4 PCI-E 3.0 lanes to second NVMe M.2 slot (from B550 chipset)

X570

• 16 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to GPU (from CPU)
• 4 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to primary NVMe M.2 slot (from CPU)
• 4 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to second NVMe M.2 slot (from X570 chipset)
• 4 PCI-E 3.0/4.0 lanes to second NVMe M.2 slot (from X570 chipset)

 

B550 boards typically has more features, as they were released much later the X570.

X570 released with the Ryzen 3000-series, while B550 came out around Ryzen 5000-series.

 

As for thunderbolt...check the specifications of the boards...

 

BUT the question comes up...if you don't NEED Thunderbolt right away, why are you looking for it?

If you need Thunderbolt later on, and the board does not have it, you can always add a PCI-E x1 / x4 Thunderbolt card...

Yeah I dont need that but I will buy expensive system so I ask me.. why not choose the best mobo with all the features? and for the futureproof.. including thunderbolt..

And I hear if I used more than one nvme on B550.. my GPU going slower.. it is correct?

 

[-rascal-]

16 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

Yeah I dont need that but I will buy expensive system so I ask me.. why not choose the best mobo with all the features? and for the futureproof.. including thunderbolt..

 

 

Okay...that is up to you.

Usually more features = higher $$$, so you need to balance that.

If you go too far with the futureproof, and end up NEVER using it...you just wasted money.

 

Example, the ASUS Crosshair VIII Formula is another X570 option.

You can watercool the VRMs if you wanted to, and multiple USB 3.2 Gen 2 headers...

But then the Crosshair VIII Formula ~$580 USD vs Crosshair VIII Hero ~$380 USD.

 

16 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

And I hear if I used more than one nvme on B550.. my GPU going slower.. it is correct?

 

 

No....it does not impact the GPU...where are you hearing this?

Ryzen 3000-series and 5000-series CPUs have 20 PCI-E 4.0 lanes, does not matter if X570 or B550 motherboard.

16 lanes are ALWAYS going to the top PCI-E X16 slot -- for GPU.

4 lanes are going to the first NVMe M.2 slot.

 

The second NVMe M.2 slot is using PCI-E 3.0 lanes from B550 chipset.

The difference is X570 gives PCI-E 4.0 lanes to second (or even third) NVMe M.2 slot.

 

Exactly what I said in my PREVOUS reply....

40 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

Correct, that is one of the big differences between X570 and B550.

More NVMe M.2 slots, X570 chipset can allocate PCI-E 4.0 lanes to the extra M.2 slots.

B550 only allocates PCI-E 3.0 lanes to the extra M.2 slots.

If you are only going to be using 1 (or 2) NVMe M.2 SSDs, no need to worry.

 

B550

• 16 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to GPU (from CPU)
• 4 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to primary NVMe M.2 slot (from CPU)
• 4 PCI-E 3.0 lanes to second NVMe M.2 slot (from B550 chipset)

X570

• 16 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to GPU (from CPU)
• 4 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to primary NVMe M.2 slot (from CPU)
• 4 PCI-E 4.0 lanes to second NVMe M.2 slot (from X570 chipset)
• 4 PCI-E 3.0/4.0 lanes to second NVMe M.2 slot (from X570 chipset)

 

[Zowy1]

7 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

Okay...that is up to you.

Usually more features = higher $$$, so you need to balance that.

If you go too far with the futureproof, and end up NEVER using it...you just wasted money.

 

Example, the ASUS Crosshair VIII Formula is another X570 option.

You can watercool the VRMs if you wanted to, and multiple USB 3.2 Gen 2 headers...

But then the Crosshair VIII Formula ~$580 USD vs Crosshair VIII Hero ~$380 USD.

 

 

No....it does not impact the GPU...where are you hearing this?

Ryzen 3000-series and 5000-series CPUs have 20 PCI-E 4.0 lanes.

16 lanes are ALWAYS going to the top PCI-E X16 slot -- for GPU.

4 lanes are going to the first NVMe M.2 slot.

The second NVMe M.2 slot is using PCI-E 3.0 lanes from B550 chipset.

 

The difference is X570 gives PCI-E 4.0 lanes to second (or even third) NVMe M.2 slot.

 

Exactly what I said in my PREVOUS reply....

 

Thank you.. and I try to make decide on other components but on the mobo.. If Crosshair Hero worth 100$ more than Taichi.

Yes the B550 is newer but I prefer X570 because of my processor and CMOS / BIOS buttons (maybe it is a little gimmicks but I prefer that)

and overclock to cpu in the future I think..

 

And you can help me with the ram? I dont know what to choose because wide part of my build going premium so.. some parts costs higher and maybe wasted haha