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Modern day middle east turmoil caused by The Soviet Union?

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I have been recently been reading about this subject, and decided to share information i have gathered in my studies.
 
I would like to start to the precursor to the situation, and provide some background information to support my opinion.
 
First we will have to talk about anti-antisemitism in The Soviet Union 
 
In 1849 Karl Marx published a piece in his new paper about the evolutionary process in socialism. He commented that some ethnic communities in Europe (I.e Scottish Highlanders, Breton, basques, south Slavs, Slovenes, Croats, Serbs, Czechs) were not capable of achieving socialism, and too far behind some communities in Europe. He refereed to them as "Völkerabfäll"; which translates to "Racial trash". He blamed them for holding the world back from its full potential, and said they must be destroyed to progress. 
 
"The classes and the races, 
too weak to master the 
new conditions of
life must give way,'[...] 
They must ,, perish in the revolutionary holocaust"
 
*Marx. People's paper, April 16th, 1859
**Journal of the History of ideas, vol 2, No. 1. 1981.
 
This brings us to noticing similarities between Nazi Germany, and the USSR. 
 
In-fact the two may be more heavily common than any other country in the world. 
 
The following is an article out of the New York times that went nearly unnoticed by the whole world
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HITLERITE RIOT IN BERLIN
Beer Glasses Fly When Speaker Compares Hitler and Lenin
New York Times, November 28, 1925, p.4.
BERLIN. Nov. 27. – The National Socialist-Labor Party, of which Adolf Hitler is a patron and father, persists in believing Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted in a party meeting. Two weeks ago an attempted discussion of this subject led to one death, sixty injuries and $5,000 damages to beer glasses, tables, chairs, windows and chandeliers in Chemnitz. Last night, Dr. Göbells tried the experiment in Berlin and only police intervention prevented a repetition of the Chemnitz affair.
On the speaker’s assertion that Lenin was the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight, a faction war opened with whizzing beer glasses. When this sort of ammunition was exhausted a free fight in which fists and knives played important roles was indulged in.  Later a gang marched to the offices of the socialist paper Vorwärts and smashed plate-glass windows. Police made nineteen arrests.
 
In this article 'Dr. Gobells' is the one who compared to the two powers.
 
Dr. Gobells was the Nazis propaganda minister. 
After this incident Nazis never compared themselves to the Marxist socialism, or "international" socialism again after this incident.
 
 
George Bernard Shaw was a supporter of Hitlers ethnic cleansing of Europe, and supported it with the mass media; along with the political left elite.  
 
 (Bernard Shaw explaining the theory.
 
I " appeal to the chemists
to discover a humane 
gas that will kill instantly and painlessly, 
deadly by al means, 
but humane not cruel...."
Bernard Shaw 
* Listener 7 Feb. 1934
 
This theory falls in with the same idea behind Marx's theory of ethnic cleansing, and the revolutionary evolution of Marxism. 
 
In-fact this is the same ideology which stems from Marxism. 
 
So what we have here is a Marxist completely agreeing with Hitlers grand plan for a perfect Utopian society. 
 
Maybe the two were not so different than they propagandized in their war?
 
The only difference between these two socialism was Nazis ( National socialist) is that Hitler wanted an ethnic cleansing, but the Soviet Union wanted class cleansing caused by class warfare.
 
 
The ideology is the same, but the objectives obtained through different means. 
 
"Basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same.” -- Adolph Hitler, speech, 1941
 
 
It is a little known fact that these two enemies were greatly alike, and shared similar interests.
 
The Soviet Union, and Nazi Germany both entered the war together, and both ripped apart, and shared Poland; like the two savages they are.
 
Local populations couldn't  tell the difference between the two, so they would address them (I.e Nazi Germany&USSR) as both on sight.
 
Nazi Germany(I.e Hitler), and The Soviet Union(I.e Stalin) even had the world split up between the two. 
 
This paved the way to Hitler okaying the invasion of many European countries for The Soviet Union. This includes Finland. 
 
They both publicized it as a revolutionary fight against "Finish Fascism" in their state ran media. 
 
German gestapos visited The Soviet Union to learn about the Russian gulags, and concentration camps. 
 
Most of the knowledge Hitler gained about his camps were from these studies from the Russian concentration camps.
 
After the war with Germany, The Soviet Union(I.e Stalin) also reused Hitlers death camps for his own evil mass killings.
 
 
 
In the 1960's, and 70's, The Soviet Union sought to control the middle east, too get to their ultimate goal of collapsing the west, and taking the world. They start a region wide disinformation campaign, and start the plans to dis-stabilizing the region.
 
They knew The United States would back Israel if anything were to happen; so the Soviet Union devised a plan to kill two birds with one stone.
They launched a region wide disinformation campaign instilling antisemitism to the region; telling all the surround communities, and areas, that the United States, and Israel were there to colonize all of the middle east.  
 
A man by the name of " Pavel Stroilov" is a Russian exile living in London. He is personally responsible for stealing thousands of secret Soviet files, and documents; ranging from diaries to archived documents.
 
He has put evidence on the table, that changes everything we know. 
 
He has claimed the instability in the middle east, and the supposed aggression of Israel is  true. He writes “Not a word of it is true,” he writes. “It was the Soviet Empire—not the British Empire—that was responsible for the instability in the Middle East.” “Not a word of it is true,” he continues saying. “It was the Soviet Empire—not the British Empire—that was responsible for the instability in the Middle East.”
 
"Stroilov, a historian now living in London, fled Russia in 2003 after stealing 50,000 top-secret Kremlin documents from the Gorbachev Foundation archives, where he was working as a researcher. He was given access to the archive in 1999,"
 
"Stroilov’s book about these documents, many only now translated into English, challenges the conventional wisdom that Western colonialists are to blame for the chaos in the region. "
 
"All of its major conflicts, he argues, were caused by Soviet expansionism. Terrorism and the rabid anti-Israeli animus of the Arab world were Soviet inspirations. And the revolutions we are seeing now were inevitable, for the Soviet client states were socialist regimes, and sooner or later socialism exhausts economies and thus the patience of the people who live in them.
Stroilov focuses upon Gorbachev’s intrigues in the Middle East, explaining the Arab Spring as the “final act of the Cold War.”
 
"Though not as good as the Gulf oil fields, Israel would also be a big prize. It was the only democracy in the region, the strongest military power in the pro-Western camp and, indeed, the bridgehead of the Western world. Even more importantly, the very process of crusading (or jihadding) against Israel offered fantastic political opportunities. A besieged Israel effectively meant millions of Jewish hostages in the hands of the comrades, and the threat of genocide could intimidate the West into making great concessions in the Gulf or elsewhere. On the other hand, by making the Israeli-Palestinian conflict the central problem of the Middle East, the Soviets could exploit Arab nationalism, anti-Semitism, and even Islamic religious feelings to mobilize support for their policies. Indeed, under the banner of Arab solidarity, the socialist influence in the region grew far beyond the socialist regimes and parties."
 
"We had only to keep repeating our themes—that the United States and Israel were ‘fascist, imperial-Zionist countries’ bankrolled by rich Jews.”"
 
 
 
I find it very interesting to find out he talks about a man named "Alexander Sakharovsky" who states one the the main weapons in this process would be terrorism "“[T]errorism should become our main weapon.” 
 
The story continues saying "Sakharovsky boasted that airplane hijackings were his own invention; he decorated his office with a world map, covered in flags, each marking a successful hijacking. Though the PLO managed to unite various terrorist organizations, “the supreme headquarters of the whole network was, of course, the Kremlin,”
 
This led me to remember i watched one day; playing sick at home as a sophomore in high school.
 
 
It was about a man named "Carlos the Jackal", the movie portrayed him as some kind of heroic revolutionary hero, who solves the worlds problems with terrorist acts. He is responsible for hijackings, terrorist attacking(i.e) bombing, executions, and strong armed attacks.
 
 
Just seems like he was one of thugs this man was talking about.
 
 
 
Back to the story:"November 1969, armed attack on the El Al office in Athens, leaving 1 dead and 14 wounded; May 30, 1972, Ben Gurion Airport attack, leaving 22 dead and 76 wounded; December 1974, Tel Aviv movie theater bomb, leaving 2 dead and 66 wounded; March 1975, attack on a Tel Aviv hotel, leaving 25 dead and 6 wounded; May 1975, Jerusalem bomb, leaving 1 dead and 3 wounded; July 4, 1975, bomb in Zion Square, Jerusalem, leaving 15 dead and 62 wounded; April 1978, Brussels airport attack, leaving 12 wounded; May 1978, attack on an El Al plane in Paris, leaving 12 wounded."
 
So this leads me to me asking people to read the story, give their opinion, and hopefully help me with my studies. 
Please be nice when commenting, and be respectful!
Read the whole story before posting!
Here are a few questions:

Was the arab spring planned by the Soviets?
Since Putin wants to reinstate the Soviet Union, do you think he is following the plans of he predessors? 
Does this remind anyone of post world war one Germanys feeling about the world?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Also this video has to do with Russia anti-semnitism 

This video is meant to go where i relate Soviet ideology to  Nazi ideology, but this video contain very graphic material.

It contains a beheading, and a execution by Nazis in Russia.

Remember this is a very graphic video.

 

This was blamed as " American fabrication", and "American Propaganda" through State ran Russian media outlets.

 

http://www.bestgore.com/beheading/russian-skinheads-beheading-neo-nazi-execution-video/

 

Very graphic 

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I knew you said that video was graphic, but I watched it anyway. Big mistake

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I knew you said that video was graphic, but I watched it anyway. Big mistake

Did you read the story first?

 

ANYONE WHO READS THIS.

This Video is VERY GRAPHIC.

Beware.

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The Commies cause too many problems. 

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The Commies cause too many problems. 

There is no way you read that whole story that fast!

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There is no way you read that whole story that fast!

I skimmed through it, but based on what you said, I come to a conclusion that I have came to one too many times: Commies are evil and they cause a lot of problems. 

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eh I've seen worse

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So Russia fights with disinformation where as the United States fights with information. I can only imagine that the way this article perceives Russia is how Russia perceives the US. Technically Snowden is the same as Stroilov, as he took US documents and fled to Russia (I think?). Yet, not all documents have been revealed yet. Its hard to say who is evil as there are still things that we do not know about the US. It's all secrets and media I suppose.

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There is a little more correlation and less causation than I would prefer. Also relevancy in your own write up.

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So Russia fights with disinformation where as the United States fights with information. I can only imagine that the way this article perceives Russia is how Russia perceives the US. Technically Snowden is the same as Stroilov, as he took US documents and fled to Russia (I think?). Yet, not all documents have been revealed yet. Its hard to say who is evil as there are still things that we do not know about the US. It's all secrets and media I suppose.

Snowden ran to Russia outta necessity.

Everywhere else would send him back.

The policies Snowden warns about are Socialist policies, and programs.

America has been tooken over.

There is a little more correlation and less causation than I would prefer. Also relevancy in your own write up.

I provided a article. You could of not had read all the info, and did not understand the article.

The info i present came from sources that i also showed.

I asked everyone to read this http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/103576/the-cold-wars-arab-spring, and if you didn't then please don't comment.

What i wrote is information i gathered from this http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/103576/the-cold-wars-arab-spring, and some personal knowledge, and sources,

Such as "The Soviet Story".

The sources are from people proven to be involved in the history, and modern time.

The info doesn't stem from myself.

I am simply researching it.

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In times when we are on the brink of destruction, war, and loosing ourselves, let's remember a basic fundamental element of love, forgiveness, and understanding; God bless!

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Too much text

 

--snip--

Heard you can get a warning for posting this.

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Heard you can get a warning for posting this.

 

You didn't have to send an inflammatory PM to me. Completely unnecessary. Saved for later in case I need to send it to the mods

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You didn't have to send an inflammatory PM to me. Completely unnecessary. Saved for later in case I need to send it to the mods

Lol you just try to troll, and i gave you a taste of your own medicine. 

 

Now go away.

If you can't read, then that's not my problem.

Don't post rude comments on a post that was not inviting it. 

 

If you are rude, then expect people to be rude.  

 

Treat others as you want to be treated

 

Jaw dropping 

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Lol you just try to troll, and i gave you a taste of your own medicine. 

 

Now go away.

If you can't read, then that's not my problem.

Don't post rude comments on a post that was not inviting it. 

 

If you are rude, then expect people to be rude.  

 

Treat others as you want to be treated

 

Jaw dropping 

 

I don't understand how it's rude but ok. Just an attempt at a laugh. No need to take it so seriously. I'll leave this thread in peace. Have a nice day

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heck no i aint reading all that mumbo jumbo. 

conspiracy.jpg

 

Edit: also who is this guy with barely over a 100 posts and joined about a month ago?

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I don't understand how it's rude but ok. Just an attempt at a laugh. No need to take it so seriously. I'll leave this thread in peace. Have a nice day

You don't understand how that's rude?

Jaw dropped once again...

Why even post it? If it doesn't mean anything, then it's a meaningless post.

I find no humor in someone telling me something i wrote for an hour is not worth reading.

Thank you.

heck no i aint reading all that mumbo jumbo.

conspiracy.jpg

Well you seem like a smart, and open minded man.

Btw all this is fact.

Look for it yourself.

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Well you seem like a smart, and open minded man.

Btw all this is fact.

Look for it yourself. 

every man is entitled to his own opinion but seriously dude this is a tech form. not a "I am about to blow you mind with this history i linked together" forum.

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I provided a article. You could of not had read all the info, and did not understand the article. 

The info i present came from sources that i also showed. 

 

I asked everyone to read this http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/103576/the-cold-wars-arab-spring, and if you didn't then please don't comment.

 

What i wrote is information i gathered from this http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/103576/the-cold-wars-arab-spring, and some personal knowledge, and sources, 

Such as "The Soviet Story".

 

The sources are from people proven to be involved in the history, and modern time. 

The info doesn't stem from myself.

I am simply researching it.

Your being a little presumptuous. I read most, but not all and skimmed the rest, which does not invalidate my response. Also in terms of your specific additions, my point is still valid.

It's an interesting read. Its my opinion, it does not help with your studies, but helping was not a specific requirement.

So this leads me to me asking people to read the story, give their opinion, and hopefully help me with my studies.

If you wanted a full review of the article, you should have asked, but I think you are less inclined to listen either way.

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, maybe you should expand your studies. The U.S. is partly to blame as well, thanks to the Reagan administration's support of the Afgan Mujahideen in the 80's, many members of which later joined the Taliban.

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Oh my god, just go away already. 

 

You're stuck in the Cold War and you hate commies, we know that. Doesn't justify sounding like a blatant knob. 

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every man is entitled to his own opinion but seriously dude this is a tech form. not a "I am about to blow you mind with this history i linked together" forum.

This topic is relevant to everyone.

Oh my god, just go away already.

You're stuck in the Cold War and you hate commies, we know that. Doesn't justify sounding like a blatant knob.

That's not what it's about.

Instead of saying this; you should rebuttal what i said, and not try to marginalize it.

Did you even read the article i posted?

Can you read?

, maybe you should expand your studies. The U.S. is partly to blame as well, thanks to the Reagan administration's support of the Afgan Mujahideen in the 80's, many members of which later joined the Taliban.

I do know about my own country.

Ronald Regen did not run guns to the afghan Muajhideen, but a politician from Texas.

Have you ever seen Charlie Wilson's war? Ronald Regan had nothing to do with that mans personal crusade.

If you wanted a full review of the article, you should have asked, but I think you are less inclined to listen either way.

If you read what i wrote, then you would saw that i asked. :P

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If you read what i wrote, then you would saw that i asked. :P

if you read what you wrote, then I quoted, you would know you did not.

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if you read what you wrote, then I quoted, you would know you did not.

"So this leads me to me asking people to read the story, give their opinion, and hopefully help me with my studies. 

Please be nice when commenting, and be respectful!
Read the whole story before posting!
Here are a few questions:" 
O rully

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"So this leads me to me asking people to read the story, give their opinion, and hopefully help me with my studies. 

Here is the story!  http://www.tabletmag...ars-arab-spring

Please be nice when commenting, and be respectful!

Read the whole story before posting!

Here are a few questions:" 

O rully

Yes.

While the facts may be accurate, or not, I am not disputing them at this stage, the problem is with the initial assertion, assumptions and conclusions of the material. My original post was my first impression, and was wishing to further research and get a better understanding before commenting with more detail.

Now for someone asking to be nice and respectful, you have been anything but. As such I have felt no need or desire to further explain or review the material in any kind depth or detail that would assist you.

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I'm about 80% sure that time began, and then the next day the middle east was fighting.

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