Upgrade i5-3570k to i3-8350k (or something else)

[Torbenc]

Hello everyone!

I currently run a 3570k @ 4.49ghz stable (air cooled and 60-70c when gaming)

I'm looking at upgrading to something I can upgrade more on slowly. I have been looking at some Z390 chipset, 8350k and some 2666mhz DDR4, even the 8350k can't use the memory speed.
I would then upgrade the cpu at a later time.

Is there anything else I could look at? And I am an Intel person to the bones. Every time I bought AMD I had to upgrade in under 1 year, because it was unstable. I know Ryzen 5 "should" be different - But I have trust issues.... 

Would it be worth buying an 8350k at all? I know I would gain some from the higher memory clock speed. 

[NLamki]

4 minutes ago, Torbenc said:

Hello everyone!

I currently run a 3570k @ 4.49ghz stable (air cooled and 60-70c when gaming)

I'm looking at upgrading to something I can upgrade more on slowly. I have been looking at some Z390 chipset, 8350k and some 2666mhz DDR4, even the 8350k can't use the memory speed.
I would then upgrade the cpu at a later time.

Is there anything else I could look at? And I am an Intel person to the bones. Every time I bought AMD I had to upgrade in under 1 year, because it was unstable. I know Ryzen 5 "should" be different - But I have trust issues.... 

Would it be worth buying an 8350k at all? I know I would gain some from the higher memory clock speed. 

AMD costumer service sucks 

[Torbenc]

3 minutes ago, NLamki said:

AMD costumer service sucks 

I never needed it - I just gave up, sold it off with a loss and moved on.

 

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

7 minutes ago, Torbenc said:

Would it be worth buying an 8350k at all?

From the moment it was released, it has never been worth it to buy that CPU.

 

A Ryzen 5 3600 should be about the same price, and miles better.

 

Or if you have to stick with Intel for no good reason, an i5 10400.

[Torbenc]

It won't be AMD - So I don't need suggestions in that direction
I had 3 AMD systems starting fra AMD K6 MM2 to A9. (A9 was a laptop, and the i5 version was sold out, my friend had the i5 version, and mine with A9 was basicly useless for anything else than notepad)

It has to be gen 8 or 9, since there is no gen 10 second hand here.

 

[SavageNeo]

29 minutes ago, Torbenc said:

It won't be AMD

RIP Value. 

[Mister Woof]

B460 + i3-10100/i5-10400 is actually one of the best values out there, given the utter lack of lower-end Ryzen SKUs at MSRP. Even with 2666mhz RAM.

 

Performance is roughly equal to Ryzen 3 3100/5 3600 relatively in gaming, and not really meaningfully different in professional work since if you're doing professional work neither is the best choice anyway.

 

Skip the 8350k, and instead get the 10100 at least. While you can't overclock it like the 8350k, the i3-10100 appears to boost to 4.1ghz all-core turbo, which is higher than the 8350k stock settings. It also has hyperthreading.

 

The i3-10100 is the best chip you can buy for ~$115, because unlike the Ryzen 3 3100, it actually exists in reality.

[Torbenc]

3 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

B460 + i3-10100/i5-10400 is actually one of the best values out there, given the utter lack of lower-end Ryzen SKUs at MSRP. Even with 2666mhz RAM.

 

Performance is roughly equal to Ryzen 3 3100/5 3600 relatively in gaming, and not really meaningfully different in professional work since if you're doing professional work neither is the best choice anyway.

 

Skip the 8350k, and instead get the 10100 at least. While you can't overclock it like the 8350k, the i3-10100 appears to boost to 4.1ghz all-core turbo, which is higher than the 8350k stock settings. It also has hyperthreading.

 

The i3-10100 is the best chip you can buy for ~$115, because unlike the Ryzen 3 3100, it actually exists in reality.

The 10400 is locked right? 

I like the option of overclocking. Not sure that I need it now, since this upgrade only have to last till the pandemic is over and I move to the other side of the world. 

I am actually pretty happy of what I can press out of my 3570k. But to optain ~ 100fps in eg. PUBG with my GTX980, my cpu is running 95-100% constantly. No headroom.

[Mister Woof]

3 hours ago, Torbenc said:

The 10400 is locked right? 

I like the option of overclocking. Not sure that I need it now, since this upgrade only have to last till the pandemic is over and I move to the other side of the world. 

I am actually pretty happy of what I can press out of my 3570k. But to optain ~ 100fps in eg. PUBG with my GTX980, my cpu is running 95-100% constantly. No headroom.

Yeah, but to be real, 8350k doesn't have great silicon from personal experience. I got one for my son with an ASROCK Z370 Extreme 4, which was expensive for what it was, just so I could overclock. 

 

My sample required 1.35v to hit 4.7ghz, 1.4v to hit 4.8ghz, 1.42v to get 4.9ghz, and 1.44v to get 5ghz. So ultimately I ended up getting an i5-9400 cheap to put into the Z390 and putting the i3-8350k into an H310 for my daughter. It runs at 4ghz all day and it's perfectly fine. The i3-8350k just isn't really worth spending the extra money to overclock for the gains. In order to get meaningful gains (4.7-5ghz) you are looking at a lot of voltage and a lot of cooling $$. Just not worth the ROI.

 

If I could do it all over I would have just got him the 8400 and a B360 motherboard. And then I would have got my daughter a Ryzen system a year ago instead of using the i3 with a cheap H310.

 

For the most part, you will get better overall performance from a locked i3-10100 or i5-10400 (even with only 2666mhz RAM) for less money (cheaper cooler, cheaper motherboard). These chips run around 4.0-4.1ghz all-core turbo. 

 

You can use faster memory than intel spec on locked intel chips, but you need a Z board. There's an argument for pairing them together, but once you start spending more money on the motherboard, you tend to lose the value sentiment a bit.

 

Right now, you can get an i3-10100 for $115 and a $65-85 H410/B460 motherboard that will be perfectly fine.

 

In contrast, you will be spending $150+ on an i3-8350k, at least $40 on a decent cooler, and around $100 for a Z motherboard that will be sufficient to overclock. That's already $290.

 

For around that same money, you could instead get an i5-10400F ($170-) + a $120 B460 motherboard. You are going from a 4.0-4.8ghz 4 core, 4 threaded CPU to a 4.0ghz 6 core, 12 threaded CPU. In most new games, the higher core/thread count CPU is going to give you a much better experience than one that has slightly more frequency. Same goes for the i3-10100, except it's cheaper.

 

I just purchased these for another system for leftover parts to use in the living room, and I am awaiting them in the mail.

 

$115

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i3-10100-Desktop-Processor-LGA1200/dp/B086MMRW87

 

$65

https://www.amazon.com/H410M-HDV-M-2-Supports-Processors-Motherboard/dp/B088ZVZ8Q4

 

My expectation is that with the i3, it should be able to sustain 4.1ghz most of the time. 

 

https://www.techspot.com/review/2033-intel-core-i3-10100/

 

It's just inadvisable to get a 4/4 chip today. Even the i3-10100 is pushing it, but at least it's super cheap and currently has no Ryzen alternative (by virtue of the 3100 being a myth).

 

For $180, the i3-10100 and H410 will beat the stock 8350k at pretty much everything, and beat a highly overclocked 8350k in almost everything save for poorly optimized or esports games. And in those scenarios, it won't lose by much.

[SteveGrabowski0]

Makes no sense to sidegrade to another 4C/4T cpu that's going to struggle with everything a 3570k will. Just save your money until you can afford to upgrade to an 11600k or 11700k and do it all at once.

[Torbenc]

13 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

Yeah, but to be real, 8350k doesn't have great silicon from personal experience. I got one for my son with an ASROCK Z370 Extreme 4, which was expensive for what it was, just so I could overclock. 

 

My sample required 1.35v to hit 4.7ghz, 1.4v to hit 4.8ghz, 1.42v to get 4.9ghz, and 1.44v to get 5ghz. So ultimately I ended up getting an i5-9400 cheap to put into the Z390 and putting the i3-8350k into an H310 for my daughter. It runs at 4ghz all day and it's perfectly fine. The i3-8350k just isn't really worth spending the extra money to overclock for the gains. In order to get meaningful gains (4.7-5ghz) you are looking at a lot of voltage and a lot of cooling $$. Just not worth the ROI.

 

If I could do it all over I would have just got him the 8400 and a B360 motherboard. And then I would have got my daughter a Ryzen system a year ago instead of using the i3 with a cheap H310.

 

For the most part, you will get better overall performance from a locked i3-10100 or i5-10400 (even with only 2666mhz RAM) for less money (cheaper cooler, cheaper motherboard). These chips run around 4.0-4.1ghz all-core turbo. 

 

You can use faster memory than intel spec on locked intel chips, but you need a Z board. There's an argument for pairing them together, but once you start spending more money on the motherboard, you tend to lose the value sentiment a bit.

 

Right now, you can get an i3-10100 for $115 and a $65-85 H410/B460 motherboard that will be perfectly fine.

 

In contrast, you will be spending $150+ on an i3-8350k, at least $40 on a decent cooler, and around $100 for a Z motherboard that will be sufficient to overclock. That's already $290.

 

For around that same money, you could instead get an i5-10400F ($170-) + a $120 B460 motherboard. You are going from a 4.0-4.8ghz 4 core, 4 threaded CPU to a 4.0ghz 6 core, 12 threaded CPU. In most new games, the higher core/thread count CPU is going to give you a much better experience than one that has slightly more frequency. Same goes for the i3-10100, except it's cheaper.

 

I just purchased these for another system for leftover parts to use in the living room, and I am awaiting them in the mail.

 

$115

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i3-10100-Desktop-Processor-LGA1200/dp/B086MMRW87

 

$65

https://www.amazon.com/H410M-HDV-M-2-Supports-Processors-Motherboard/dp/B088ZVZ8Q4

 

My expectation is that with the i3, it should be able to sustain 4.1ghz most of the time. 

 

https://www.techspot.com/review/2033-intel-core-i3-10100/

 

It's just inadvisable to get a 4/4 chip today. Even the i3-10100 is pushing it, but at least it's super cheap and currently has no Ryzen alternative (by virtue of the 3100 being a myth).

 

For $180, the i3-10100 and H410 will beat the stock 8350k at pretty much everything, and beat a highly overclocked 8350k in almost everything save for poorly optimized or esports games. And in those scenarios, it won't lose by much.

The only different on the 10400 and 10400f is f has no graphics right?

 

[Boyohan]

21 hours ago, Torbenc said:

It has to be gen 8 or 9, since there is no gen 10 second hand here.

 

 

8350K is a little bit faster than your 3570K but not by a lot and they are both 4C/4T. 

If you have set your mind for Intel and can't buy 10th gen then keep your 3570K. 

 

IMO the only 8th/9th gen CPUs that makes sence is the 9900K.

The 9900K is still great and price has gone down (in my country from 520eur - 380eur for a new CPU) .

The 8700K and 9700K are also good but it depends on the price and both of these i7 CPU have flaws.

8700K needs to be delidded or it will be hot regardless of your cooling. 

9700K lacks hyperthreading. 

 

For 10th gen

10400 if you want good price/performance

10600K if you want the best gaming

10850K/10900K if you want the best and have a lot of money. 

[Torbenc]

It's really tempting to buy a 10600k as there is only a €60 price difference.

Reason I wanted to buy older generation and second hand, is that I may have to sell it in under 6 months, as I am moving to Philppines when pandemic is "over".
If I have to resell it, I will loose money. But if I bring it, and only buy case, PSU and monitor there, I can save money (as hardware is cheaper here than in Philippines)
And the other BUT, is that my gaming will be cut down again, when I move there. 

[Torbenc]

I can buy a second hand 9900k with a Asus Z390-A for the same price as a new 10600k with a Asus Z490-P.

The 9900k has a lower power draw and have more cores ofcourse.

I always wanted me a 9900k but are in doubt. I don't have a problem buying second hand.

[Nena Trinity]

I would upgrade to a ASRock Z490(or cheaper Z490) and pair it with a 10400F + blazing fast memory kit.

[Boyohan]

10 hours ago, Torbenc said:

I can buy a second hand 9900k with a Asus Z390-A for the same price as a new 10600k with a Asus Z490-P.

The 9900k has a lower power draw and have more cores ofcourse.

I always wanted me a 9900k but are in doubt. I don't have a problem buying second hand.

8th/9th/10th gen from intel are all 14nm and basically the same CPUs with different setups of core/threads/clock speeds.

The 9900K is definitely superior to 10600K so if you can get that for the same price then it is an easy choice imo. 

 

The lower power draw is due to a lower base clock on the 9900K. 

9900K base clock 3,6ghz, boost clock 5,0ghz

10600K base clock 4,1ghz, boost clock 4,8ghz 

 

The 9900K would have a higher power draw if overclocked.