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Response to Linus' Terrible Non-Apology About RAID Sponsorship

TBF imo although OP is definitely a bit harsh and I find at least the part about Linus's audience being ~14 years old being a bit too much of an assumption (like, does the creator of OP have a screenshot or something of the stats to prove the average age of Linus's audience?), I still agree with a good amount (but not all) of the OP's points.  I know Linus himself even emphasized how LMG likes to be as transparent as possible (including during the WAN show in question), and although I also do think that it can be pretty tough to be as transparent as possible given LMG's very frequent release schedule (I can only imagine how busy LMG is with a daily video release schedule), it still can be pretty confusing to some viewers at the very least when the CEO himself sends out very mixed messages to his audience every now and then.

But along the sentiment of OP, I do remember clearly that Linus and someone else (sorry can't remember off top of my head) during a WAN show/live stream personally interviewed reps from PIA to show the audience that they do take vetting sponsorships very seriously, which makes it all the more confusing that Linus described the vetting process as basically just "dinking around" during the WAN show.  Now, if the vetting process has in fact changed since that PIA rep live stream, then I'm still OK with that (I worked at Micro Center for months myself, and can tell you that when it comes to business stuff there's a lot of grey-area stuff involved, which includes at least some of what OP is trying to address), but as long as LMG officially notifies his audience of the change, especially given how much Linus himself seems to take transparency very seriously.
 

27 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Fun fact: LMG is a business & Linus personally owes us nothing.

 

You are correct, but don't forget that LMG operates several Youtube channels, and until LMG decides to delete all of them they are still beholden to YouTube.  And whether any of us likes it or not, if any YouTube channel isn't at least somewhat careful about how they interact with their audience, then one can be sure to expect "the Algorithm" to not treat them well...  Now, I'm sure that LMG will still be fine even (absolutely worst case scenario) if they suddenly lost a million subscribers (I doubt that this incident would cause such a thing anyway), but I'm also sure that if LMG isn't careful with how they interact with their YouTube audience, well... let's just say that LMG might not have a good time.

(Btw LMG please don't delete all ur YT channels that could actually be catastrophic).

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35 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Fun fact: LMG is a business & Linus personally owes us nothing. His "non apology" was a non apology because he has nothing to apologise for, the second he allows the consumers who literally give him nothing to dictate what he can and cannot do with his business is when LMG dies and over 20 people end up on unemployment.

I don't like this argument, because you're basically saying you're not allowed to critisize any company ever.

 

Replace "LMG" and the number of employees with this forum's favourite punching bags

  • Apple
  • Microsoft
  • Intel
  • NVidia

and half of the tech news sub forum would be empty.

 

 

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1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

Which reminds me @LogicalDrm I think you owe me an apology for the comments made in this thread:

No, I don't. But I could use one from you for quoting me out of context. You just have to make everyone agree that your opinion is the only correct EVEN WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SAME THING.

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2 minutes ago, LogicalDrm said:

You just have to make everyone agree that your opinion is the only correct EVEN WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SAME THING.

Ok look calm down no need to use all caps; I don't think that OP meant that his/her/their/etc. opinion is correct, simply that to creator of OP there are some inconsistencies as to what has been said in LMG videos and on this forum.  Given how Linus ultimately apologized formally for his PS5 comments not too long ago, and how it does seem that Linus has truly learned a lot from leading LMG, I have faith that LMG will ultimately resolve this issue with integrity.

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14 minutes ago, Arika S said:

I don't like this argument, because you're basically saying you're not allowed to critisize any company ever.

 

Replace "LMG" and the number of employees with this forum's favourite punching bags

  • Apple
  • Microsoft
  • Intel
  • NVidia

and half of the tech news sub forum would be empty.

 

 

You're free to criticise them all you want but said companies are also free to totally ignore the criticism.

 

Heck EA have been making bank for years on the back of sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting LA LA LA.

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People sure do get their knickers in an EXTREMELY tight bunch over sponsor-spots, geesh.

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9 minutes ago, linuxChips2600 said:

Ok look calm down no need to use all caps; I don't think that OP meant that his/her/their/etc. opinion is correct, simply that to creator of OP there are some inconsistencies as to what has been said in LMG videos and on this forum.  Given how Linus ultimately apologized formally for his PS5 comments not too long ago, and how it does seem that Linus has truly learned a lot from leading LMG, I have faith that LMG will ultimately resolve this issue with integrity.

This is what I have a problem with though, what issues?

 

If people don't like the sponsors LMG takes then it's very much a them problem, LMG is a business with expenses and employees and it's all well and good people getting annoyed at things they don't like but they're also not the ones trying to balance the books.

 

He literally told EVERYONE during WAN exactly what to do is there is a sponsor they don't like, hit the right arrow on your keyboard twice. Boom, LMG still gets paid and you don't have to watch the thing you disagree with.

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There's so much raging about this Raid-game and its microtransactions and its scummy tactics, but then people go full 100% hypocrites and let the tank-game or the battleship-game or whatnot slide, because they happen to like those games. This thread is quite literally OOZING hypocrisy like a radioactive container with sludge inside and a hole on the side.

 

I declare WereCatf's Rule of MicrotransactionsTM here:

  • If a game has microtransactions, it will sooner or later attempt to pull off dirty tactics in an effort to get more money out of people. No exceptions.

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2 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

I declare WereCatf's Rule of MicrotransactionsTM here:

  • If a game has microtransactions, it will sooner or later attempt to pull off dirty tactics in an effort to get more money out of people. No exceptions.

I subscribe to this rule.

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4 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

There's so much raging about this Raid-game and its microtransactions and its scummy tactics, but then people go full 100% hypocrites and let the tank-game or the battleship-game or whatnot slide, because they happen to like those games. This thread is quite literally OOZING hypocrisy like a radioactive container with sludge inside and a hole on the side.

 

I declare WereCatf's Rule of MicrotransactionsTM here:

  • If a game has microtransactions, it will sooner or later attempt to pull off dirty tactics in an effort to get more money out of people. No exceptions.

Microtransactions 2: The Secret Of The Ooze

 

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1 minute ago, WereCatf said:

This thread is quite literally OOZING hypocrisy like a radioactive container with sludge inside and a hole on the side.

Which part? This thread is more critiquing about LMG saying one thing but then doing the other.

ie: saying they only accept sponsors from things they actually use

To

Lul, as long as they're not a scam it's fine

 

3 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

I declare WereCatf's Rule of MicrotransactionsTM here:

  • If a game has microtransactions, it will sooner or later attempt to pull off dirty tactics in an effort to get more money out of people. No exceptions

This is to true, wait till people are very invested then milk them dry, very common tactic

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1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

Oh damn, did they address why they're on the trial version? They really should

The reason why they were on a trial version is because they don't actually use Monday. They use Trello.

Linus talked about it here:

 

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We use TRELLO over here. We've also played around with Monday.com.

Luke: Oh God their advertisements... That's probably why I get bombed by them al the time because you guys started looking into it.

Linus: Yeah, hold, actually, we did a sponsored thing with them.

Luke: Ohh, *Gets nervous* It's like every second ad on YouTube for me is Monday.

Linus: So this sort of kind of thing hopefully nobody ever sees, even though it's on WAN show. So basically, we took everything... We vetted it. Made sure that it was feature complete , and it's like very similar to Trello. And then we decided okay we can endorse this. It seems really great. So we did a piece and then we just substituded Monday for Trello, in every way that we use Trello already. So the piece was very genuine in the sense that like yes that is exactly how we use our productivity enhancement tools, and we verified that all the same tools are there.

 

Notice how Linus in this clip also says that they "endorsed" monday.com when they decided to have them as a sponsor?

So like a year ago Linus agreed with me that being sponsored by someone is the same as endorsing them. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Master Disaster said:

He literally told EVERYONE during WAN exactly what to do is there is a sponsor they don't like, hit the right arrow on your keyboard twice. Boom, LMG still gets paid and you don't have to watch the thing you disagree with.

Or you can install SponsorBlock. It's an addon that automatically skips sponsors. Highly recommend it.

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23 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

Which part? This thread is more critiquing about LMG saying one thing but then doing the other.

ie: saying they only accept sponsors from things they actually use

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Lul, as long as they're not a scam it's fine

When he said that the entire world wasn't going through a pandemic and beginning to slip into a recession.

 

Things change and I have no issues with Linus protecting his business from folding by taking sponsors he might not have done in previous years.

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Dont see why people care so much about the sponsor slots. They`re all equally annoying and i skip all of them. As long as the product isnt illegal/scum why lmg shouldnt pick the highest paying ones. The ads are high paying because they have high demands for the commertials. Gus johnson has a good video on this:

 

TLDR opinion, all ads are garabge and the content would be better without them. Once they`re in the video its already interupting so its mostly irrelevant what the ads are, hence why its no problem to pick the highest paying ones. 

 

Thats IMO ofc

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

When he said that the entire world wasn't going through a pandemic and beginning to slip into a recession.

 

Things change and I have no issues with Linus protecting his business from folding by taking sponsors he might not have done in previous years.

Yes I agree, he should do whatever to survive as a company

But I wished he clarify it though, since he did make such a claim before.

 

People hating his video because of the sponsors is wrong, it's just an ad like any other place, and linus' view of "as long as it's not a scam or fishy company, we'll accept their money" is fine in my book

 

But saying one thing and doing another is a separate issue, but as long as it's cleared then it's fine.

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Wow, you have some guts to bring up a topic like this. Daring to challenge the lord king in front of his forever loyal subjects, in the den of lio- err, meercats? - is punishable by...public ridicule and name calling I guess. That or being forced to browse LtTsToReDoTcOm for a few hours.

 

Cheers for also bringing up so many valid points that people will just ignore, dismiss, or misconstrue. The overwhelming majority of viewers must live in Stockholm. 

 

You can both understand that businesses need to run advertisements, and be upset at what/how many ads (& by whom) they choose to run. I've watched ltt content for years, and I feel linus is more salesman than tech enthusiast now. It's the "boiling frog" metaphor. Whether that applies to him or us is up to you.

 

Also, please remember that not everyone that brings up things like this is happy to do so. It's pretty fucking sad to feel this way about a content creator I used to like a lot more. It's sad that he's changed in this way.

 

Also remember, that he makes no mistake that lmg is a business. A businesses number one priority is, money. Money money money. Above everything else - they need money to survive and sustain themselves. However, I have zero doubts that they long ago already made the choice between content, and "comfortable" financial interests. Making the extra buck tilted the scales from content & iNtEgRiTy. Yes, you can absolutely have both, which is part of why this whole situation is so disappointing.

 

I guess it boils down to what you think linus wanted when he started all this. If you guessed "starting a media group and multiple for-profit businesses", then I guess you're not as disappointed as others.

 

 

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3 hours ago, linuxChips2600 said:

Ok look calm down no need to use all caps; I don't think that OP meant that his/her/their/etc. opinion is correct, simply that to creator of OP there are some inconsistencies as to what has been said in LMG videos and on this forum.  Given how Linus ultimately apologized formally for his PS5 comments not too long ago, and how it does seem that Linus has truly learned a lot from leading LMG, I have faith that LMG will ultimately resolve this issue with integrity.

Look, I don't want to be rude, but you are quite new here and there's more to my opinions on how Lawlz is than just this thread, and the one linked. If you read the one linked, I think you would understand why I'm annoyed to be quoted in this thread and out of context.

 

5 hours ago, LAwLz said:

The thing is that LTT passed the "shady backroom deals because they now have too many people" threshold a long time ago, and they show no sign of stopping.

RAID was just one of the more obvious examples of this but I've seen it for years.

And by "shady" I mean making ads and being sponsored for products they themselves think are bad and wouldn't personally use or recommend.

That part where Linus says their vetting process is to "dink around with it a bit to see that it's not a flat out scam"? I suspect that's how their vetting process has been for years, and now hopefully more of their viewers realize that too.

So I'm guessing this is why I should, in your opinion, apologize? Because I didn't think LMG was at that point 5 months ago when I wrote that? I'm still 100% behind everything I said in that thread, and considering you didn't bother to contest my reply back then, I think you actually did agree with me (but are/were too proud to show it). I don't see why I should apologize anything. I can say I was wrong, but thats it.

 

The problem here is that all this is just opinion. You aren't in position where you can prove anything. You are only getting, in your own words, the backlashes, the apologies, and the WAN Shows. You don't watch actual ad spots, you don't use some of the software/hardware/games advertised. You are just making opinions based on what you are watching. Don't try to push your garbage to me like that. I don't take it from LMG, or anyone else from YT, why you would think I take it from you?

 

I am disappointed that LMG has come to point where they have so few good companies offering them money that they need also the second tier ad spots. And also that the ad spots are lot more about reading company supplied rep sheet than their own opinions of the products. Granted that I also only see ad spots during WAN Show because of Floatplane. Does that change how I see them as company? Not really. I still won't buy anything just because its endorsed by someone I happen to follow. I'm still annoyed about those ad spots for LastPass and Backblaze.

 

5 hours ago, samcool55 said:

And everybody probably remembers the Dyson disaster...

Sorry, what disaster? Dyson having campaign where they sponsored bunch of tech-tubers at once, making it look like big cliché? Are the products actually bad? AFAIK Dyson still is premium cleaning hardware manufacturer, and has sponsored another video after that said spot. Plus Linus, and iJustine, said to be using the hardware. So what disaster you mean here?

 

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And just in case people are too lazy to read my comment from older thread, I'll emphasize that I am vocal critique of how Linus conducts some parts of his business. Mainly how he interacts with the community, be it through apology videos/threads, their store support or some other parts of messaging overall. Considering the size of the community, and the company, it has taken them couple of years too long to take community again part of the growing company. They could have hired community manager long time ago. A person who oversees (aka would be tagged) anytime sponsor, store, ID claim or anything else was troubling community. Maybe their social media rep could do some of that?

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1 hour ago, LogicalDrm said:

And just in case people are too lazy to read my comment from older thread, I'll emphasize that I am vocal critique of how Linus conducts some parts of his business. Mainly how he interacts with the community, be it through apology videos/threads, their store support or some other parts of messaging overall. Considering the size of the community, and the company, it has taken them couple of years too long to take community again part of the growing company. They could have hired community manager long time ago. A person who oversees (aka would be tagged) anytime sponsor, store, ID claim or anything else was troubling community. Maybe their social media rep could do some of that?

That would definitely be something I'd like to see. I don't watch a lot of LTT videos anymore, but I do on occasion, and it would be nice to have someone to discuss these issues with. 

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when you hire 40 staff members and pay them full time salary and run your own business, you are free to not take sponsorship from companies you don't like.  i don't like it when linus covers chinese bands such as realme/honor/xiaomi etc, i simply decide to skip those episodes. 

 

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While i think that most of your comments are nitpicking,you do have a point:

Instead of giving us the roundabouts,just straight out say "If the community doesn't like it,we won't do it in the near future."

Instead of saying it in the end.

 

And yes there were a few comments by the viewers that didn't make sense,and as a psychology and political science enthusiast i can explain it:

When you don't like something and don't know why,you end up making up reasons to why you hate it.

Another possible reason is populism,"A lot of people don't like it so i don't like it as well",disliking something just because disliking it is popular,that's a bad reason,it lacks rational and fanatic in it's nature.

 

I think that most people here including myself don't want to see another RAID Shadow Legends ad,

It's annoying and irritating to see the same ad over and over again every day across different Youtube channels,

It doesn't just feel like it,they really are trying to shove their game unto our throats..

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Why do people get so up in arms over who is sponsoring youtubers? Who the fuck cares? I hate RAID but if they wanted to give me money to talk about them for like 30 seconds I  would do it, it's basically free money. Just skip through the ad spot on the video and get on with your life

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More employees => more expenses => more money you need to make => more sponsors necessary

 

Or those employees make you more money and they basically pay their own salary by contribution of their labour to your company’s growth.

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Then Linus spends a couple of minutes showing everyone the few games he has on his phone, for some reason. No idea why he is doing this because it has nothing to do with any arguments I have seen in the comments. Nobody is questioning if Linus does or does not play games on his phones. 

 

That's part of the contract for the sponsorship, they HAVE to pretend they play the game, they have to say what is their favorite hero or something, etc...

 

 

For context, here's a YTber that got the sponsorship paperwork, but told Raid to got eat shit, and then made a video to show what the contract is (language warning BTW) ;

 

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9 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

 

That's part of the contract for the sponsorship, they HAVE to pretend they play the game, they have to say what is their favorite hero or something, etc...

 

 

For context, here's a YTber that got the sponsorship paperwork, but told Raid to got eat shit, and then made a video to show what the contract is (language warning BTW) ;

 

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2 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I love Karl, he's no nonsense and will tell you exactly what he's thinking.

I love how he tells haters on Twitter or in the YT comments, straight up, to go fuck themselves XD

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