Response to Linus' Terrible Non-Apology About RAID Sponsorship

[LAwLz]

First of all, I'd like to say that I don't have anything against gatcha games. Right now I am playing Genshin Impact and I have spent about 80 dollars on it with no regrets. I think the game is fun and while I really dislike the ludicrous and criminally low 0.6% drop chance on 5 star items/characters, I do think the game is a lot of fun.

Secondly, I didn't see the video that was sponsored by RAID. I don't watch LTT videos other than the WAN show. In my eyes, the LTT channel is terrible, but I can see why some people like it. In any case, since I do watch the WAN show (or rather, listens to it on my commute) I did end up hearing the "apology" (or rather non-apology) and it was one of the worst apologies I have ever seen. It's full of deflections, hypocrisy, flip flopping, flexing, doubleing down, starwman arguments and incorrect facts.

 

I rewatched the first 13 minutes of the WAN show and wrote down my response to the various points.

 

 

 

 

The video starts with Linus and Luke joining around about RAID Shadow Legends trying to be all “how do you do fellow kids” with their viewers. Look at us making fun of ARID, aren’t we great right? 

 

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Anyway, in response to the controversy okay so first things first, there’s a lot of assumptions that we are like desperate for money or that RAID Shadow Legends paid some kind of ludicrous fee to sponsor a Linus Tech Tips video. So two things. Number 1 is if the hiring page on Linus Media Group is anything to go by [...] I think we are doing okay for money. We are actually expanding, we are hiring in hyper expansion mode right now

Isn’t that a reason why you might need more money? If you are hiring a bunch of people then the logic is that you need to make more money, and thus might become more lenient with which sponsors to choose, based on how much they pay.

I mean, you have time and time again given “look how many people we have employed” as a reason for why you cram your videos full of ads, but now all of a sudden you are trying to use “look at how many people we are employing” as an argument for why you don’t need money? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth Linus.

 

More employees => more expenses => more money you need to make => more sponsors necessary

 

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As for whether we got paid a ton, if anything, based on what I found out later, that we were paid for the sponsor spot, I sent some emails to our business team asking if maybe, maybe the sponsorship rate was not competitive with what some other Youtubers might be getting from them”.

That makes the whole thing worse in my eyes. Your viewers are mad that you got sponsored by a shitty product and when they try to justify it in their heads they go “well maybe they got paid a lot and it was too good of a deal, that’s why they are trying to shove a shitty product on me” and your response is “no we actually did the sponsor spot for less money than we should have.

 

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There was no desperation and I actually didn’t even know we were doing the spot until I read it on the teleprompter and I was like ‘oh wow so we’re doing a RAID Shadow Legend spot’ and the response was ‘yeah it’s no big deal we’ve actually done one before’ and I was like ‘oh really’ and they were like ‘oh yeah you probably didn’t do the read for it because it was on tech linked’ and I was like ‘oh okay, sure, fine’.

Nice way of going “this is not my fault guys, please don’t be mad at me”. 

 

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So there are a couple of things that are bad here that I do wanna acknowledge. So one is that the way the read was structured it really did make it sound like I had a favorite hero and what I was really saying was that ‘yeah as part of our due diligence process with anything we will at least use it a little bit and by we I don’t mean necessarily me, I mean someone at Linus Media Group will dink around with it and make sure it’s like ‘Is it actually a game or is it just mining bitcoin on your phone while you’re sitting idle. Does it actually do what it says it is supposed to do. Yes we did that due diligence although it’s not really necessary I think everyone knows RAID Shadow Legends is an actual game

I feel like you switched argument in the middle of the paragraph here, probably because it’s live but I want to address both parts.

To me it sounds like you are, again, trying to deflect criticism. I didn’t even watch the video but by your own admission the words you said in the video mislead your viewers and now you are trying to put the blame on your viewers for being mislead because “you should know I don’t do everything personally”. That’s a shitty excuse. Do you just read anything sponsors put in the teleprompter without questioning it? Because your defense right now sounds like that’s what you are doing. 

 

Secondly, you used to say that you did not accept sponsors that you would not personally recommend or use. It seems like that bar has now been lowered to “as long as it’s not flat out a literal scam then we’re fine with having it as a sponsor”. I have known that this has been the case for years now, but it’s good to see that you are finally being honest to your viewers about it.

Remember this people, the due diligence LMG does when it comes to sponsors is “dink around with it to make sure it’s not mining bitcoins on you’re computer”. 

 

Great job of patting yourselves on the back at the end as well. “We didn’t have to do due diligence with RAID because everyone knows it is a game anyway so you’re welcome viewers” is what you sound like.

 

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But it made it sound like I was the one who played the game, I don’t play mobile games, I have enough distractions on my phone it is

Then Linus spends a couple of minutes showing everyone the few games he has on his phone, for some reason. No idea why he is doing this because it has nothing to do with any arguments I have seen in the comments. Nobody is questioning if Linus does or does not play games on his phones. 

 

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The other thing that upset me to find out about afterward is that one of the things we’ve told our viewers is that while not every sponsor necessarily has to be one that I absolutely am in love with and use absolutely everyday, although a lot of them are, like you saw PIA on there you saw Brilliant on there, these are services that I and many of the people at our company actually do use and love

I don’t see how this is relevant to your viewers. By choosing to be sponsored by a company, you agree to endorse their product. It doesn’t matter if you personally only like some of your sponsors because your viewers do not know which sponsors you actually like and which ones you are only endorsing because they gave you a bunch of money.

 

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What we care about a lot is the integrity of the companies that we deal with and that the products does what it says on the tin, so just because a particular product or service is not something I need in my daily life, as long as they do what they say they’re going to do, and someone needs that product or service then we got no problem with that. And RAID Shadow Legends, from what I could tell, pretty much does what it says on the tin. You raid stuff, you’re like a legend or something and you endlessly loot meaningless dungeons and I thought we were all pretty freaking clear about what it was and there’s microtransactions because otherwise it wouldn’t exist and so okay. I was just like yeah so whatever, RAID Shadow Legends as if you haven’t heard of it, here’s this game that I guess you can play if you really want to.

Again, you mention something and then brush it off. You said that you care about integrity, and then completely shift focus to “as long as the product kinda does what it says then I am fine with being sponsored by them”. That’s a really bad definition of “integrity”. Integrity means having strong moral principles. “I will take money from a company as long as it isn’t a literal scam” is not enough to be deemed a “strong moral principle”, especially not when it’s a game developed by a gambling machine manufacturer and your audience is like ~14.

 

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But what I found out afterward, because I asked the community, I tweeted afterward I was like hey, why are you guys so mad about this, like I’m not trying to be combative I just literally want to know why I am legitimately am curious. Why are you so mad?.

I remember when LMG used to ask the community BEFORE they took sponsors what the community thought. I guess the new strategy is to take the money and then ask for forgiveness afterward…

Also, you were being combative. People answered your tweet with things like “it’s pay to win” and your replies were “who cares? You don’t *need to win it…”. 

 

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And what they were mad about was some of the ways that RAID Shadow Legends parent company has interacted with the community in the past, so doing things like denying that they had ever sponsored anyone with money

Well that’s one of the reasons people gave you. Another reason was that it’s a really bad game to the point where it’s barely a game at all. It’s basically a slot machine praying on people who easily get addicted to gambling.

You yourself have been very quick to throw shit at EA for their loot boxes, yet when you get sponsored by someone who is EA but worse you do a 180 turn and go “well it is a game so it’s fine, stop whining about it”.

A third reason people gave you is that their ads are disingenuous and doesn’t give creators that much freedom on what to say. You yourself even admitted that the ad read gave your viewers the wrong impression by making it sound like you personally played and liked the game.

Another reason people gave you is that since the game is bad and it prays on vulnerable people by essentially being an unregulated casino it shows a lack of integrity on your part.

But my guess is that you won’t respond to any of these criticisms and will instead make a bunch of strawman arguments.

 

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The other thing is like there are some people ‘look, from my point of view it’s a predatory business and so we don’t like to see you guys effectively profiting off of that kind of predatory business model’. And in fairness, you know, I think that, all right, I think that is a fair viewpoint, but I also think that it’s going to be a very different line that any individual is going to draw. So would you say the same thing of World of Warships.

Hold on there Linus, stop trying to make your viewers sound like hypocrites by changing the subject. Your viewers have told you where they draw the line, and they draw the line so that RAID is on the bad side. That’s it. You might not think RAID is predatory or that it’s wrong to profit off vulnerable people, but your viewers clearly do. Don’t try and change your viewers minds that they shouldn’t think RAID’s business practices are scummy.

 

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[about world of warships] it’s free to play, it has microtransactions up the butt, they have done some very, very questionable things with their community. Like there was that holiday thing where they was a bunch of challenges or something, and if you complete them you get like this epic legendary ship or something like that, but members of the community did the math and it was like actually completely, physically humanly fucking impossible to complete it

But World of Warships is a decent game. You can’t just go “well because this game shares some elements with RAID they are therefore equal and you can’t like one without liking the other”. This is such a ridiculous argument I hope nobody in your audience actually buys this logic. It’s like saying RAID and World of Warcraft are the same because both have orcs in them and you can pay for stuff.

 

Also, you are completely misinterpreting the event in World of Warships. I don’t even play the game and yet a quick Google search shows that you got so much things wrong and left things unsaid to mislead people.

The World of Warships event was doable as a Free-to-Play player. It was not as you said “completely, physically humanly fucking impossible to complete”. If you did it completely free to play, it was so hard to the point where you had to play the game every day for like a month, but it was doable.

The event wasn’t just about getting the legendary ship. You got a bunch of extra stuff once you reached different milestones. So even if you didn’t get the final reward (the ship), you did get a bunch of other stuff even if you didn’t play that much.

Spending a bit of money would have allowed you to get the legendary ship far easier, and that would most likely have been less money than buying a similar ship would have cost.

The thing in World of Warships was a special event where you could, if you wanted, get extra stuff for free, or even better stuff if you paid some money. It was a 1 month thing (I think) in addition to the regular game. RAID on the other hand, is basically entirely a non-game where your primary objective is to pay money. It barely has any gameplay.

 

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So it’s like, people are mostly not mad about world of warships because the general consensus in the community is that it’s not like, it’s not too “pay to win”

And because, unlike RAID, it is actually a game with some microtransaction mechanics in it. RAID on the other hand, is a microtransaction app with some game-like mechanics in it.

 

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So here is where I had decided I thought RAID Shadow Legends was okay. The fact that it is a single player experience, for me, made it not pay to win in a sense that mattered.

RAID is not single player… I mean, you can play it in single player if you want but it does have multiplayer modes as well (which from what I have heard gets pushed down your throat later in the game). Plarium even has it under the “multiplayer games” section on their website.

Discover the Best Free Online Multiplayer Games (plarium.com)

 

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I never thought of winning a single player game as mattering at all.

Well not everyone thinks that way, and I honestly believe that deep down even you Linus doesn’t buy that bullshit. Of course people play games to win, even in single player games. I think winning is just as important in a single player games as in a multiplayer game. 

 

 

This is the point where I got bored of writing down everything I thought was wrong with Linus' response to the drama.

I think the major take aways from this is that LMG doesn't have any integrity when choosing sponsors. Their "due diligence" is checking if something is a literal scam or not and if it isn't, they might approve the sponsor. 

 

 

 

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Had to add some more stuff.

 

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Most of the negative feedback really seemed to come down to "I'm just tired of hearing about RAID Shadow Legends" and so I guess like... I guess I just don't really know how to... I don't really know how to adress that. Like, it's not my fault that RAID Shadow Legends or Dyson or whoever else decides to do a big marketing push when they decide to do it and that I happen to be part of it.

What? Of course it is your fault if you agree to be part of that marketing push. When you accept a sponsorship you endorse whichever company you agree to take money from and as a result what they do will reflect on you. You choose to asscociate with whatever company you take sponsorships from. I understand that from your POV you are the victim, but if you look at it from the POV of your viewers the situation becomes very different.

Stop playing the victim.

 

 

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But that small number of like, sort of people who are really upset about it kind of ruins the experience for us as content creators. Like Luke, think back to when you uploaded a video that you wrote and you hosted, and you felt like 98% of it was great content...

Well if 98% of the food I ordered at a restaurant was good but 2% of it was literal dog shit then that 2% would kind of ruin the other 98%. But in this case it is even worse because it's you admitting that you don't give a crap about who sponsors you as long as you get paid, even if it means pushing bad products on your viewers. It's like finding out your restaurant not only serve 2% dog shit in their food at all time, but also that the restaurant starts defending the dogshit being in the food and berating their customers for wanting it removed.

[Grabhanem]

Response to the Response to the Response:

 

People arguing about every tiny thing LMG does is more annoying than anything LMG does.

[The_russian]

I think what causes problems like this for LTT is they say they vet sponsors and stand behind the products they advertise. I think it would be better if they said: "Look, just treat our sponsors like you would any other ad on a random website. A company paid to have their product show here, nothing more to it." 

26 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

I remember when LMG used to ask the community BEFORE they took sponsors what the community thought. I guess the new strategy is to take the money and then ask for forgiveness afterward blame the viewers and his employees afterwards for any backlash…

Fixed that for you.

[DaJakerBoss]

34 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

When you accept a sponsorship you endorse whichever company you agree to take money from and as a result what they do will reflect on you

Linus already addressed the problem with this in a previous WAN show addressing some controversy in the repair industry, in which he had been sponsored to take a tour of a repair facility and do a video about it. That facility has some controversy around its repairs and communications with the repair industry as a whole, noted from people like Lois Rossman to name one, and as a result the video from Linus was taken very poorly.

 

Linus has already addressed that the sponsorships LMG takes are not endorsements of the company or their practices, which I think he's also trying to address here (while also downplaying what people are saying about RAID I suppose, to justify himself)

 

Sure you could say that all business transactions are direct endorsements, but I don't think it's unreasonable to separate the two

[SansVarnic]

Without going into a point for point counter argument, your wrong, Plain and simple. This is coming from experience of having had run a business as a COO for nearly 10years before going self employed.  Your argument makes assumptions on how a business works. And business does not work the way your projecting.

A business does not take on new employees and then finds money to pay them. Its the other way around. Linus' explanation is fair in this and why your twisting that is beyond any understanding. Taking on new venues of revenue regardless of the reason is good business. LMG is a for-profit company and Linus has no reasonn to apologize for that to anyone.

I do not disagree with his position.

[akio123008]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

I didn’t even watch the video

Well uhm... what? you haven't even seen it?

 

you created possibly the longest post I have ever seen here about something you haven't seen? You didn't think it was a good idea to give it a watch before writing an essay about it?

 

PS: A table of contents would be nice next time.

 

 

[divito]

54 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Isn’t that a reason why you might need more money? If you are hiring a bunch of people then the logic is that you need to make more money, and thus might become more lenient with which sponsors to choose, based on how much they pay.

I mean, you have time and time again given “look how many people we have employed” as a reason for why you cram your videos full of ads, but now all of a sudden you are trying to use “look at how many people we are employing” as an argument for why you don’t need money? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth Linus.

 

More employees => more expenses => more money you need to make => more sponsors necessary

Well this is disingenuous and flawed business thinking. You need to have enough revenue and structure to be able to actually hire someone. There are ways around this, but I really doubt LMG is deferring compensation or pulling other shenanigans to pull it off. It means they already have adequate cash flow to add additional people to assist their workflow, and potentially maintain a certain amount of growth. It doesn't mean that they will suddenly start doing shady backroom deals because they now have too many people. I highly doubt given their operations so far, that they'd needlessly add positions they cannot sustain if they don't happen to gain any growth. That's a recipe for disaster and poor business thinking.

 

 

I was going to address more points, but it just seems so daunting. I feel like you watched a completely different WAN show. Linus said nothing egregious and all the inferences you've made in your post, I don't understand how you conjured most of it up at all.

Could Linus have taken more responsibility or phrased some things differently? Sure, but given it was more or less off the cuff on a live show, he succinctly explained most of it for the average viewer, and as a business-type person, I have no qualms about it at all. Not to mention, I'm sure he will properly follow up with everyone involved on their business team to avoid situations like this in the future.

[gabrielcarvfer]

Genshin Impact is so bad it even managed to squeeze 80 bucks from you to save up some grinding/get access to exclusive content, and you're happy with it, which is the point of MTX games.

Kinda weird to complain about RAID... which by all means is money grabbing trash that brainwash people into wasting time and spending money, just like other mobile games.

Ignore/unfollow/unsubscribe content that advertise them and that is it. It's the only way to show that advertising this kind of stuff isn't worth it.

[Middcore]

You wrote this Iliad-length post about sponsorship on a channel you don't even watch? 

[Arika S]

Normally i like to give LTT a bit more credit when it comes to their sponsors since they have dropped partners in the past due to community backlash.

 

However when i heard him describe their vetting process as getting someone on staff to "dink around with it" now i'm not sure sure how many other sponsers actually get legitimately used by LMG staff. I'm kind of leaning towards putting them in the same category as other creators who do a sponsor spot while saying "i've been using x for years"....which i highly highly doubt 99% of the time. 

 

I've seen a few channels endorse VPN 1 saying "i've been using VPN 1 for years", and then 6 months late they are sponsored by VPN 2 "i've been using VPN 2 for years"

[Spotty]

24 minutes ago, Arika S said:

I've seen a few channels endorse VPN 1 saying "i've been using VPN 1 for years", and then 6 months late they are sponsored by VPN 2 "i've been using VPN 2 for years"

Always double wrap your connection for double the protection

[wamred]

Ahhhh, I didn't think before I typed so Imma change it. 

[Moonzy]

1 hour ago, Arika S said:

Normally i like to give LTT a bit more credit when it comes to their sponsors since they have dropped partners in the past due to community backlash.

 

However when i heard him describe their vetting process as getting someone on staff to "dink around with it" now i'm not sure sure how many other sponsers actually get legitimately used by LMG staff. I'm kind of leaning towards putting them in the same category as other creators who do a sponsor spot while saying "i've been using x for years"....which i highly highly doubt 99% of the time. 

When I see LTT sponsors, I always (like seriously) think back about how they said they would only do sponsors for stuff they actually use, but after this I guess that's not the case anymore, not sure since when anyways

[gabrielcarvfer]

8 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

[...] they would only do sponsors for stuff they actually use [...]

Welp, they use and recommend "gaming" chairs, which are terrible... 

[Moonzy]

15 minutes ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Welp, they use and recommend "gaming" chairs, which are terrible... 

but they do use it, from their office VLOG

and they enjoyed it, from what i can tell anyways, so it's still under the "stuff they actually use" category

[LAwLz]

9 hours ago, DaJakerBoss said:

Linus has already addressed that the sponsorships LMG takes are not endorsements of the company or their practices, which I think he's also trying to address here (while also downplaying what people are saying about RAID I suppose, to justify himself)

That's not how the world works though. Being sponsored by someone does equal endorsing and being endorsed by them in the eyes of the viewers. 

 

 

9 hours ago, SansVarnic said:

Without going into a point for point counter argument, your wrong, Plain and simple. This is coming from experience of having had run a business as a COO for nearly 10years before going self employed.  Your argument makes assumptions on how a business works. And business does not work the way your projecting.

A business does not take on new employees and then finds money to pay them. Its the other way around. Linus' explanation is fair in this and why your twisting that is beyond any understanding.

That is not what I am saying. I am saying he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Whenever someone complains about them having too many sponsors the response is "look at how many employees we have. We need all these sponsors" and now he is trying to argue that they don't need sponsors because they are hiring more people. 

I honestly don't understand how anyone can think "well since they are hiring more people they clearly don't need sponsors". It's the other way around, and that's what Linus himself have said over and over. The more employees you have, the greater the need for sponsors.

 

I am not saying that LTT aren't profitable and now that they are hiring more people they suddenly need to make more money or else they will go bankrupt. What I am saying is that "look at how many people we are employing, we clearly don't need sponsors" makes no sense. More employees means they are more reliant on the revenue from sponsors to keep coming.

 

 

9 hours ago, akio123008 said:

Well uhm... what? you haven't even seen it?

 

you created possibly the longest post I have ever seen here about something you haven't seen? You didn't think it was a good idea to give it a watch before writing an essay about it?

I watched the WAN show which is where Linus spent like 20 minutes trying to blame his viewers for not liking a sponsor. I don't care about the ad even. I think LTT sponsors have been shit in general for a long time. It's the terrible excuses Linus came up with and his complete lack of integrity that bothers me. 

 

 

9 hours ago, divito said:

Well this is disingenuous and flawed business thinking. You need to have enough revenue and structure to be able to actually hire someone. There are ways around this, but I really doubt LMG is deferring compensation or pulling other shenanigans to pull it off. It means they already have adequate cash flow to add additional people to assist their workflow, and potentially maintain a certain amount of growth. It doesn't mean that they will suddenly start doing shady backroom deals because they now have too many people. I highly doubt given their operations so far, that they'd needlessly add positions they cannot sustain if they don't happen to gain any growth. That's a recipe for disaster and poor business thinking.

The thing is that LTT passed the "shady backroom deals because they now have too many people" threshold a long time ago, and they show no sign of stopping.

RAID was just one of the more obvious examples of this but I've seen it for years.

And by "shady" I mean making ads and being sponsored for products they themselves think are bad and wouldn't personally use or recommend.

That part where Linus says their vetting process is to "dink around with it a bit to see that it's not a flat out scam"? I suspect that's how their vetting process has been for years, and now hopefully more of their viewers realize that too.

 

 

9 hours ago, divito said:

I was going to address more points, but it just seems so daunting. I feel like you watched a completely different WAN show. Linus said nothing egregious and all the inferences you've made in your post, I don't understand how you conjured most of it up at all.

I have written, word for word, what Linus said so you can make the judgement yourself. LTT does not give two shits about what terrible product they push onto their viewers. They have next to no integrity when it comes to sponsors.

 

 

8 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Genshin Impact is so bad it even managed to squeeze 80 bucks from you to save up some grinding/get access to exclusive content, and you're happy with it, which is the point of MTX games.

Kinda weird to complain about RAID... which by all means is money grabbing trash that brainwash people into wasting time and spending money, just like other mobile games.

Again, I don't think you can lump all games that have microtransactions together like that. It's a ridiculously simplistic view of the world.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Moonzy said:

When I see LTT sponsors, I always (like seriously) think back about how they said they would only do sponsors for stuff they actually use, but after this I guess that's not the case anymore, not sure since when anyways

I haven't watched the LTT channel for ages (other than the WAN show) but I have noticed more and more complains about sponsors since around 2016. 

Speaking of VPNs, I am fairly sure Linus used to be sponsored by both HotSpot Shield and TunnelBear, and then when they changed sponsor to PIA they went something along the lines of "oh yeah we have recommended PIA for years and I personally use it".

[Moonzy]

10 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

LTT does not give two shits about what terrible product they push onto their viewers.

Given how he literally told us he's fine with it as long as it's not literal scam, that is the case here.

 

Users should do some research before spending money anyways, and not just listen to some guy on the internet telling you what the company wants you to hear.

 

The issue I have with this is that LTT states that they use the stuff they feature in sponsor spots, and they'll recommend it based on their positive experience (from what I understand/remember, I may be wrong)

So for them to suddenly be fine with anything (that's not a scam) now, it's quite a change in tone, and doesn't match up to what they said before.

 

From now I'll just treat sponsor spots as just a random ad on a TV, and assume LTT doesn't really use or care about it other than the money they provided for the spot, which is fine for me, whatever keeps them in business I suppose

 

Edit: people shouldn't be hating on a video just because of a sponsor, cmon

It's just an ad

[samcool55]

They did shitty sponsors in the past and will do in the future.

I just skip them (press the right arrow a few times) and problem solved.

 

While RAID is a really crappy money-grabbing game, world of tanks/world of warships is also really bad. And they sponsored multiple times in the past with no problem.

 

And everybody probably remembers the Dyson disaster...

 

I personally really dislike honey due to the way they work but eh.

[flashiling]

28 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

The issue I have with this is that LTT states that they use the stuff they feature in sponsor spots

while i get your point, how do we not know that some of the LMG people don't play the game?

maybe not linus and luke who were hosting the wan show where it was advertised but maybe a few of the others.

[LAwLz]

3 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

And everybody probably remembers the Dyson disaster...

Or the recent Facebook sponsorship where they kind of brushed over the whole "you now need a Facebook account to use the Oculus" thing.

 

Or when they released a video called "How We Make a Video in ONE Day" where they used Monday.com a bunch, only for it to then be discovered by a viewer that they don't actually use Monday and they only did so for the video because it was sponsored.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

From now I'll just treat sponsor spots as just a random ad on a TV, and assume LTT doesn't really use or care about it other than the money they provided for the spot

I think that's the best and healthiest things to do.

 

Which reminds me @LogicalDrm I think you owe me an apology for the comments made in this thread:

 

 

 

  

On 8/9/2020 at 5:35 PM, LAwLz said:

Worth noting that LMG does not even use a lot of sponsors themselves.

 

Remember, "this company sponsors us" does not mean "we like this company" or "we think this is a good company". It means "we get money to speak well about this company".

On 8/9/2020 at 6:06 PM, LogicalDrm said:

Just this tells that you don't watch a lot of their content. Not disagreeing all of your post as LMG has had issues with sponsors before, and they've dropped some too.

 

But they do at least try to choose their sponsors. Ofc it's not same when you get the products handed out by reps vs going the commercial route.

 

But from your point almost sounds like you would dislike any company who has sponsored LMG ever.

 

I especially like this part of our conversation:  

On 8/10/2020 at 5:16 PM, LogicalDrm said:

If LMG would not have integrity at all, they would have taken NordVPN, Raid Shadowlegends and bunch of other "cheap crap" money along with their more high-end sponsors like Intel, Corsair, Asus and LG.

 

 

[Moonzy]

15 minutes ago, flashiling said:

while i get your point, how do we not know that some of the LMG people don't play the game?

Exactly what I was thinking, but why didn't they ask the person who played it on WAN show? Or at least mention it, I was waiting for them to say "someone plays it"

 

Instead they came up with "yea, we're fine having them as a sponsor as long as they're not literal scam."

Edited January 19 by Moonzy
Wrong word

[flashiling]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

Exactly what I was thinking, but why didn't they ask the person who played it on WAN show? Or at least mention it, I was waiting for them to say "someone plays it"

 

Instead they came up with "yea, we're fine sponsoring it as long as it's not literal scam."

makes sense, but idk maybe not all of their employees want to be on camera and maybe they know the bad  stigma around the game even though they like it and don't wanna be in the ad excuse, ya know.

like how League of Legends has a bad rep for toxicity, i wouldn't be the person to stand up and say "league isn't all THAT toxic" for a video since i would be slammed by league and dota players alike.

(hope that example didn't just make it more confusing)

[linuxChips2600]

10 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

I especially like this part of our conversation:  

On 8/10/2020 at 11:16 AM, LogicalDrm said:

If LMG would not have integrity at all, they would have taken NordVPN, Raid Shadowlegends and bunch of other "cheap crap" money along with their more high-end sponsors like Intel, Corsair, Asus and LG.

 

 

Big Oof

Let's just hope that Volkswagen doesn't sponsor LMG for a video or something in the future...
 

[Moonzy]

14 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Which reminds me @LogicalDrm I think you owe me an apology for the comments made in this thread:

I think logicaldrm isn't in the wrong here, we were told something else by LTT before these, I would've said the same thing as he did before this WAN show

[Master Disaster]

Fun fact: LMG is a business & Linus personally owes us nothing. His "non apology" was a non apology because he has nothing to apologise for, the second he allows the consumers who literally give him nothing to dictate what he can and cannot do with his business is when LMG dies and over 20 people end up on unemployment.